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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:21 PM
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The Inconvenient Truth About Newt
The Inconvenient Truth About Newt

Posted on November 21, 2011 by NAGR Staff


I know I don’t have to tell you, but politicians often say one thing but do the complete opposite — especially if they think no one is looking.

Newt Gingrich is the poster child for these sort of “flexible” principles.

I’ve been around the block a few times (I’m about to start my 20th year as a gun rights lobbyist) and dealt with literally thousands of candidates and politicians, but no Republican politician has managed to support and vote for anti-gun legislation and still proclaim that he is “pro-gun” more effectively than Newt Gingrich.

Don’t be fooled by his rise in the polls; Newt Gingrich has a long history of supporting gun control …


http://www.nationalgunrights.org/the-inconvenient-truth-about-newt/
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:28 PM
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1. Inconvenient TiffaNewt ...
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:28 PM
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2. Expose the shyster for what it is.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:33 PM
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3. Oh dear, what a dilemma.
Who will you-know-who endorse?
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:35 PM
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4. His supposed support for gun control is not enough for me to consider him for anything positive.
But I'm glad to see that even disgusting, RW Rethugs are not all sunk in gunnuttery all of the time.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:40 PM
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5. It's not what we think of him that matters. It's what his base will think of this... nt
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:46 PM
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6. This is one of what 5000 reasons not to support him?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:33 PM
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7. I had 6,500, but I might have miscounted. nt
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:17 PM
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8. Even that no good right wing hack knows more guns in public ain't good. Now RW base will hate him.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 03:18 PM by Hoyt

They like being able to intimidate with their guns.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:36 PM
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9. Can't be
20 years of A and A+ scores, plus lots of awards from the NRA.

:sarcasm:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:24 PM
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10. Well, if we want to go by NRA scores, you know who else scored A+ and the NRA endorsement?
Howard Dean. Eight times NRA endorsed. Tell me again how you can't be a pro-gun left-winger?
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 06:22 PM
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11. Oh contraire
Dean won't protect big gun manufactures so he now out with the NRA. If he runs now he will get a D grade from right winger Wayne LaPierre and Grover Norquist.


"Gun Policy: Dean received an "A" grade from the NRA. However, N.R.A.. executive director Wayne LaPierre says Dean today is "totally trying to have it both ways." Yes, Vermont has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the nation. But Dean opposes a federal bill that would grant gunmakers immunity from lawsuits and supports background checks for buyers at gun shows—two positions that put him at odds with the N.R.A.. He agrees with most positions of Coalition to Stop Gun Violence."

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/Dean.html


Always a right wing org., they are now moving even farther to the Neo-Con. war monger, authoritarian fascism. Just like Newt and Kasich voting for AWB, the NRA changes it's grades every day according to big business's commands. Try to keep up.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 06:51 PM
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12. The immunity from lawsuits
has more to do with frivolous suits that are similar to SLAPP suits. The difference being that VPC would sue a gun maker even though the gun maker did everything totally legal and proper. That is the reason why I would support the immunity.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:41 PM
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13. and if your single action 45 semi goes full
auto because of a defect and kills 3 or 4 at the range? I have no problem with a jury of peers deciding any case brought to court on issues of $20 or greater, like in the Constitution. Immunity rules always protect business and governments and never the individual, that's my problem with immunity laws. Regardless, immunity laws for businesses has little to nothing to do with my Second Amendment protections.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:45 PM
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14. that is a manufacturing defect
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 07:47 PM by gejohnston
and should make the company liable if it was their fault (as opposed to amateur gunsmithing.) Does the law make them immune to both?
edit to add: they should also be liable for shitty security or selling to the black market.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:46 PM
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15. On the other hand, if you folks
can find more wrong with Howard Dean than Newt and they ever run against each other, feel free to vote for whom ever.

:popcorn:
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:56 PM
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16. Newt does and says whatever serves his
purpose for the moment. He is a faux intellectual that talks shit and has no principles.
I do know this: with his economic views, what he thinks about RKBA is irrelevant because only the few haves (and what small middle class left) will be able to afford them. The rest of us will be the working poor with maybe enough to subsist or be just destitute.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:00 PM
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18. +1
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:58 PM
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17. The law gives no immunity to that.
Unless, of course, you can quote the one/part that does...
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:01 PM
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19. Can you tell me what part of
the Second Amendment this would protect for me. NRA being a one issue org and all.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:28 AM
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24. Ummmm, I am not following your train of thought at all.
You'll have to unpack that a bit. Sorry, been a long day.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:17 PM
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20. It's hardly news that Gingrich has no principles whatsoever
And personally, I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire. But what amazes me is that there are still people who either haven't cottoned on to his behavior, or are willing to overlook it. I mean, how can anyone hear a guy known to have had two long-term extramarital affairs (and is probably currently involved in the third if his prior behavior is any guide) resulting in divorces hold forth about "family values" and do anything other than turn away in disgust at such blatant hypocrisy?
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:25 PM
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21. over 100 ethic violation charges while in the
House. Given the choice of being kicked out, he quit and paid $300,000.00.

Why won't he give permission to release the hearings evidence? Is he trying to hide something. Of course he is.

Anyone want butter on that toast?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:55 PM
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22. IIRC Newt Gingrich saved the 1994 Feinstein AWB from dying in conference committee
but kept his name out of it, and then rode the entirely predictable backlash into the Speaker's chair.

He is damn scary on the drug issue. Not only is he OK with a militaristic approach, he wants to seriously escalate its militarization, or at least he did a few years ago. And he has floated the idea of the death penalty for transporting small amounts of cannabis, and (according to http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/11/12/22843/174">this article at TalkLeft) mass executions. (Shudder.)

I believe he is absolutely awful on the 4th Amendment as well.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:03 PM
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23. I wish Newt would just go away. ugh.
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