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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 02:54 PM Original message |
AG says illegal gun show sales commonplace |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. You mean to tell me |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Entrapment, Entrapment" -- they made me sell guns to people who said they can't pass BG check. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You missed the facts again Hoyt... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. When someone is at a gun show -- IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED. There's the loophole you guys deny. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What you believe it should be... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. only 35 bucks? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Then there's the whole thing... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
50. That's one of the things people call a "loophole" . . . . . . because the law needs to be changed. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. So, for less than $100, you are opposed to requiring involvement of FFLs? Besides, |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Poll tax, much? n/t |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
57. My FFL charges $20 for a transfer. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. 15$ here. 10$ if you have a Texas CHL. n/t |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. That's pretty awesome. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. It's not a fucking "loophole", it's a specific construction of fucking law. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Pave, however you want to characterize it -call it Hoyt Crap if you like- No BG sales are wrong. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. Then get the law changed so we are ALLOWED and COMPELLED to do them. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. You could not have sold them |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. One-eye, I chose to do better than the law by having FFL involved on both ends. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I- w-i-l-l-- t-y-p-e---s-l-o-w-e-r |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes, there is a reason, so I don't have to worry about doing something wrong or it not |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. You really don't pay attention do you? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. No, OShooter, you aren't paying attention. |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Huh? re ur FACTS |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It's a different legal construct |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. The point is. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Yes, that IS the point |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Why don't you talk to your Congressman and get what is broken fixed. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Pole vaulting over mouse turds. |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Its an epidemic I tell ya! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Deleted message |
We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Now you accuse us of illegally transferring firearms? |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. The article you referenced in your OP says otherwise, in New York. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. You seem to overlook and totally ignore the simple fact that they SHOULD BE. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. It is not a fact that it should be |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. But-but-but... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Entrapment defense |
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Bum_Whisperer (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Is this the same AG that said he knew nothing of Fast and Furious? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. No, this is the State AG of New York (n/t) |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. Isn't the goal to always sell stuff for more than it's worth? |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. ...and to anyone with the $$$ in hand? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Pretty much. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. So, when gun shows are regulated out of existence, LEO will swoop down on... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. All those supposedly law-abiding gun purchasers ain't looking so clean now. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Don't look any dirtier to me |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. self delete, answer wrong poster. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. How do you figure? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. And you ain't sounding any smarter either. n/t |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. How many? -.01%? wow. nt |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Are you familiar with the word 'aren't |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Try not to use it when posting to those who must strap a gun on before walking into sunshine. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 03:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. I don't think you are capable of it |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Do you have any purpose here |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Wow. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Deleted message |
SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. Hoyt, you really can't honestly deal with the questions you yourself raise. nt |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
28. They were at gunshows in New York State. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
29. Wait, if the sales are illegal, then how does "lax regulation allow individuals" etc.? |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The article points out it is an enforcement problem. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. It's against the law to sell dope at a Greatful Dead concert |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. It is illegal under Federal Law |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Your post 31 |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 02:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. The OP is crap. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. The news conference was crap |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. As far as the news conference and the AGs |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. That doesn't answer my question. |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 02:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Enough already. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Will the proposed laws be enforced with the same (lack of) vigor as the current ones? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. "...background checks on all sales.." has been discussed before... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
32. Do the actions of these "investigators" surprise you? |
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