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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:07 PM Original message |
1,534,414 gun background checks done in November. On target for 16 million in 2011!! |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Guns ? " Good Guys " ? Assault weapons are not Guns for sport . Agreed? |
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IamK (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I disagree... |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I suppose. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
35. REALLY? |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
82. No |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. So you don't suppose. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Got me |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. There's no substantial difference between an "assault weapon" and a "non-assault-weapon." nt |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Besides intent ,capability. nt |
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Dr_Scholl (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Oh, cut the crap. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Abuse, rejection of commonly used technical terms, and no answer to the question asked. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
79. Thanks , the tea was great ,I still hate 2nd Amendment Paranoia |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. My AR's and mini do the same thing. the safety on the AR is much better IMHO. |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. The problem is not with the definition "assault weapon" |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
83. I agree ,my problem is Gun Rights that are opposed to Peoples Rights |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. How do you figure? |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #86 |
110. In 1791 it was a necessity ,now it's infringement on well-being. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
78. sorry for the rant. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Difference between apathy and ignorance is easy to explain... |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
98. Not legally available, or nonexistent in the US ? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Full auto AK's are available, price does not include the $200 tax |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 06:43 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Thanks |
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Marengo (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. As far as intent, the musket was an "assault weapon"... |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
84. Which must of seemed light years ahead of the catapult ,Whats your point ? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. Insubstantial terms, defined in your own head, which do not make a weapon "super extra lethal." nt |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
85. It's capability ,and who's shooting does. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
36. Intent.... |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. Intent is in the mind of the user |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:25 AM Response to Reply #45 |
81. I paint them with the same brush ,Toys that kill. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Well that's your problem isn't it? n/t |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. Capability, there really isn't (most are somewhat less powerful than... |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 06:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. We can't police peoples minds ,just their modes of murder. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. The mode matters not a whit to the victim. Dead is dead. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. And what "modes" do you propose for policing?... |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Shrub helped you people out there. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. "you people" is who, now? |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You people that split hairs on WMD. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. By your metric, Iraq was and is full of "WMD"- not by mine, of course. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 06:41 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Cling to that metric lie ,how many times a day is an ignition turned? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. What bans did Bush lift? N/T |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
112. How did he do that? N/T |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. By promoting the wolf at the edge of the forest ,whilst hiding the beast in the middle |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. What does that non-answer have to do with assault weapons? N/T |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Please point out the "sport" provision in the Second Amendment. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 07:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
111. The number of Bullets that can be fired in a 3 second span ,now before you gild that lily |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Every semi auto has about the same rate of fire in 3 seconds. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
43. By "assault weapons" are you referring to AR-15 platforms? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Nope, not agreed. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #44 |
119. No I wouldn't. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Still waiting for a coherent answer. n/t |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. Not agreed... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Still waiting..... |
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IamK (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. shoot'em if you got'em...... n/t |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. RIP |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm not sure Democrats are fighting it all that much |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. I take issue with your last sentence. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. "Nobody is coming for your guns." |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. National Redneck Association has always been paranoid. ,lack of socialization. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. What other segment of the 99 percent do you detest? |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Flea=baggers too. Who are you?you |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. O.K., you'll have to unpack that a bit more. Some of us have had a long day. n/t |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:14 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Not too tired to push paranoia of stalinist plots or as Always, abolishing the 2nd. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. I think "National Reprobate's Association" is more appropriate |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
116. Thank you,, I'm a space case. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. Well, I thought you might want to discuss the question you raised. Sorry.nt |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. All the evidence? But not much common sense to back that up. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. I own guns I have a concealed carry permit I am just |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I am also against the NRA! They are a right wing group of nuts! |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I don't think a week passes that one of my friends that |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Paranoia |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Great points, and now they are saying Obama is just waiting for 2016 to ban all guns.... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. They use the same techniques as the various Brady orgs. - but they're better at it. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That's the latest Wayne LaPierre vast left wing conspiracy |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. So true, no message is delivered without asking for money! |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
114. I am a member of the NRA but I don't get those e-mails. Why not? N/T |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
117. 1865 SYNDROME!!!!!!! And thats it a yen for antebellum . |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. self delete |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
34. can you please provide a link that demonstrates that the reduction in crime is due to more guns |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Settin up that old strawman again eh? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Fundamental Christianity has been on the rise - how do you know that is not |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You are asking for proof to a claim THAT NO-ONE MADE. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. it was certainly implied, now wasn't it |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. No it was not implied |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. of couse it was implied |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. People who actually look at the data and think. n/t |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. and what conclusion would they derive? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. The conclusion which has been pointed out time and time again.... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. could you please post a link supporting that |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Uh - look upthread |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. the drop in crime is obviously based on multiple factors |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Deleted message |
DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. ok - so crime is going down - gun sales are going up |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. "Show that guns are not producing more crime..." That's not what you asked originally |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. obviously the relationship between crime and gun sales, that |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. If a decrease has occured |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. that is akin to saying |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
97. Not QUITE. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 05:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
106. ok - so your claim is that |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #97 |
107. let me restate the calorie example like this . . . |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. now, you've implied dismissal of your own Straw Man! jeeez. nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. Not implied at all, just disproving the "More guns=More crimes" meme. nt |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. "disproving"??????????????? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
96. Would you prefer "the more guns=more crime" contention be manifestly unproven? |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
91. No, THIS IS WHAT WAS IMPLIED: |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
90. Thanks for....proving my point....while simultaneously missing it entirely. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. enjoy your delusion |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I said we can't know the cause with certainty... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #94 |
105. let me make sure I understand your point (seriously) |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
54. 16 million more guns! You'd think |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Weird isn't it? It is almost like more guns do not mean more crime. Hmmmm |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. any studies to substantiate that? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. The proof that guns cause more crime is your deal! |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. you seem to be implying they do not raise the rate - or am I misreading your post |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. My claim is more guns do not equal more crime. Not more guns equals less crime. |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. They don't. You didn't. |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. Certainly nothing like you'd expect fom listening to the anti- |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. The 16 million number does not necessarily |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Yeah, I get that. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-11 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
115. In some states a CCW can be shown and no background check is needed. |
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