Who and what is behind these Immigrant Marches?

[DoYouEverWonder]

Just curious has to who are the groups organizing these events? Where is their money coming from? It's amazing that suddenly out of nowhere Rove has a cast of 1000's to distract from what is going on in the White House. Especially, when it will stir up the freepers and further divide the country. That's just what we need right now.

[KurtNYC]

1. immigrants?!

if you were threatened with deportation, wouldn't you get out and protest?

Not everything is a Rove-inspired distraction IMHO.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Argh!

You were quicker on the draw! :spank:

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. They just seem too well oganized and funded

to be just a spontaneous event.

Sorry if I'm wearing too much tinfoil today.

I'd still like to know a little about the groups organizing these things.

[NWHarkness]

7. Maybe it's the commies.

:eyes:

[beam me up scottie]

14. Pinko atheist commies.

Gay ones.

[guinivere]

24. *gasp* Those bastards! nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. I'm actually asking a serious question

So far no one has been able to tell me one single name of a group or organization behind these event. I am not saying any of these groups are good or bad. I would just like to know who they are.

With a quick google search, so far I've found mention of one group, 'Immigrant Latinos United of Florida' organized events in Ft Myers. Seems they've sprung out of nowhere? Nothing comes up on a search or the web or the news before this event.

Dallas attorney Domingo Garcia, Mega March Organizer is reported has an organizer of the Dallas protest. Again, another organization cropping up out of nowhere, with a Dallas Attorney representing them? Why is my antenna twitching?

[radio4progressives]

33. Ignorance must be bliss. What? Just because us whities are too stupid

to take to the streets en masse at injustice doesn't mean that other communities are going to lie down while the Congress threatens their lives and their livelihoods.

us whities just hang out in front of our computers and tv's while our Constitution is completely desimated, while a regime reigns terror on other nations around the globe in our fucking name.

just becuase STUPID WHITE PEOPLE don't do it, doesn't mean other communties are as stupid and apathetic as we are.

THE FACT IS THAT PEOPLE in the LATINO COMMUNITIES ARE OUT IN THE STREETS EN MASSE TO PROTECT THEIR LIVES AND THEIR RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEINGS.

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. I don't know where you've been

but this stupid whitie was on the street with about a half million other people this past Sept in DC and the M$M ignored us.

[beam me up scottie]

37. Oh, so that's what it is.

You're JEALOUS of the attention they're getting.

Figures.

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. Jealousy has nothing to do with it

I just don't trust much anymore, especially when the M$M gets behind it so whole heartedly.

(I suppose it's not okay to discuss groups of people and their motives, but it's okay to attack me and my motives?)

[beam me up scottie]

42. What am I supposed to think?

Why else would you repeatedly deny and dismiss the motivation behind the outrage of so many people?

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. I have no doubt there is plenty of outrage

to go around but it's not like this is something new.

Maybe if we take a few steps back, my POV will be a little clearer.

It seems this whole thing started when some Repugs in the House passed a draconian immigration bill that was sure to outrage these groups. You don't think Rove was behind that bill, that stirred the pot, that resulted in what we are seeing now? Why did he do it? To divide and distract because he knows he needs a major distraction right now. However, as long as we are aware of what started this and why the lapdog M$M has been so actively building up this story, only then can we succeed to out do them at their own game and turn this situation into a win-win for all of us.

[beam me up scottie]

49. In a word,

no.

[Booster]

53. I'm with you all the way on this. 5 million people marching against

the war were almost ignored by the MSM and Bush called it a focus group. This mess has distraction written all over it.

[radio4progressives]

40. Interesting...

you were out in the streets with a half million people, I was out in the street in San Francisco with tens of thousands of others if not more..

but you think that what brought you there, is any different than what brings the Latina/o community out?

:wtf:

[beam me up scottie]

43. Ding Ding Ding !

And we have a winner.

[DoYouEverWonder]

44. No

but those events took months of planning and organizing and we have a pretty good idea of the major groups who were behind us.

I think it is a legitimate question to ask who and what is behind these seemingly 'spontaneous' demos, where everyone just happens to show up with the same exact flag?

I am not saying these groups are good or bad because I have no way to know since no one else seems to know either.

[Jade Fox]

57. Self-hate for being white....

does nothing to end racism, and it was a legitimate question.

[xxqqqzme]

47. here in SoCal it is the unions

organizing - I know many Latinos in SEIU that have been out marching.

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. Since this is a subject I am obviously not well versed in

Why are the Unions involved? Wouldn't they be opposed to allowing illegal aliens working in the US? Doesn't that hurt the people they represent.

I guess what I find confusing about this whole thing is that it looks like people are supporting allowing people to work illegally, while no one is holding the corporations who hire illegals accountable? That part of the issue seems to be ignored by both sides.

[LittleClarkie]

56. NO! You don't mean...

A.N.S.W.E.R.!

It must be true. Rush Limbaugh said it.

[beam me up scottie]

2. Immigrants?

:shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

4. What money?

You don't need money to get people out for a march. These people are self-motivated.

Just give them a time and place.

[NWHarkness]

6. Who are "we"?

This is a pretty clear cut issue to me. If you don't stand with the immigrants, you are not a liberal or a progressive in my book.

It's not all about Karl Rove, you know.

[DoYouEverWonder]

This has nothing to do with the real issue we have with immigration

All I'm asking is why NOW?

I don't watch TV and I just did a flip through the channels. EVERY NEWS PROGRAM was on this new hot issue. Not a single programs about the real news today that the Traitor in Chief exposed a CIA operation for political gain.

Gee, no one else thinks there's a connection?

[Vincardog]

12. It is pretty clear to me you are not a progressive if you do not oppose

the companies that hire the Illegal Immigrants. Progressives stand up for Unions including Farm Workers Union.

[NWHarkness]

54. Hopefully, that goes without saying

Sadly, around here it often does not

[jody]

15. Do you support unlimited immigration? If no, are you liberal/progressive?

[Rockholm]

52. I do not "stand" with ILLEGAL immigrants.

Send them back to whever they came from. And I am a liberal Democrat.
If people want to immigrate into the USA, let them do it the right way. Legally.
Guess we don't read from the same book.

[NWHarkness]

55. I guess not

Of course, I said "Immigrants". you added "illegal".

[SmokingJacket]

8. Another question might be...

Why are they getting media attention, while the anti-war protests (and there have been many) were ignored?

Answer: corporations are in favor of cheap labor.

(My view: pro-immigration, pro-$10/hr minimum wage.)

[MoonRiver]

9. I've been amazed at how fast these demonstrations were organized,

in the same way I was amazed about how fast, the next day, after 9/11 the hijackers were identified, including posting their pictures and activities immediately before the attacks. :wtf:

[Vincardog]

10. Follow the money/ Who is benefiting from LOW WAGE LABOR?

round up the usual suspects. BIG MONEY.

[elehhhhna]

11. Hispanic radio stations playing a big part at least in Houston & Dallas

[beam me up scottie]

13. Nah,

it's gotta be Rove.:sarcasm:

I mean, it's not like people are fed up or anything. :eyes:

[elehhhhna]

18. Exactly! Who'd believe that citizens woud take to the streets when their

parents are threatened with felony charges & deportation?

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Haven't they always been threatened with such?

We've got the Chrome Ave. Detention Center down here and it been full for years.

[elehhhhna]

25. Not if they lay low and stay out of trouble.

[pacalo]

26. Why aren't we seeing lines of policemen dressed up in riot gear?

Why is the media giving this so much air time? And notice how "free-speech zones" don't apply in this situation?

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. Yes, I was wondering about that too?

I guess these are 'good demonstrators' like Bush's 'good leaks'?

[beam me up scottie]

30. Why ask why?

Just make shit up.

[pacalo]

60. Who's "making shit up?"

[DrBlix]

23. Two things

Votes and Cheap labor...well perhaps three things low recruiting numbers with an "endless" or "long war" as BushCo calls it and war with Iran looming.
.
The Hispanic population is growing leaps and bounds but not all are illegal and many vote, these votes are being courted by the republicans who know this and they are trying to win these votes through lies and manipulation and care nothing about Hispanics.
.
Read about Halliburtons new contract to build detention centers $385 million dollar contract google ICE. Immigrant camps.
.
How was this organized so fast. Answer through their churches. Hispanics are very religious people and one or two weeks before these protests or marches as some like to call them, there were multiple meetings going on in all their churches across the country. Word was out who gave the word should be the question
.
They were told that Bush was about to give them all amnesty, so they better organize in support of this.
.
Why does the M$S air these thousands of protesters...marches because the "powers that be" want them aired. No paramilitary in sight, plenty of TV coverage unlike the anti war marches where people were brutalized arrested and the peaceful protests marches were infiltrated by outsiders that the cameras always zoomed in on as they broke windows and gave the peaceful marchers a bad name.
.
Always if and when these marches were brought up on TV they always under estimated the numbers and said things like 100 or whatever never the thousands upon thousands that really were marching.
.
Life isn't fair is it.
.
These people are being used and manipulated and that is a shame. They deserve better. If the US enforced existing laws and heavily fined businesses that hired "illegals" enforced a three strikes you're out for these businesses that would put their business lic. at risk much of this problems would be solved. Green card laborors would be able to work but it would stop the influx now occurring. No job No attraction.
.
Someone said a black man voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. If these Hispanics legal or otherwise believe BushCo cares one twit about them they are in for a rude awakening. Beware of gifts from BushCo.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Thank you for explaining all that to me

I can see how the churches would be instrumental here, like the internet is for us.

Yes, I agree that the Repugs and the M$M are manipulating them and us and somehow it all fits in with their plans to continue to take us all down the road to ruin.

I hope all of us can see through their manipulation and maybe both the Immigration folks and the anti-Bush folks can find common ground, since there is certainly strength in numbers.

[pocket]

16. Catholic Church, in part

they need to refill their emptying congregation, not to mention bring in some young boys who haven't caught on to their tricks yet.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Well they do have a legimate reason to be involved

Since the Repugs want to make it illegal to help people. That's a bit scary to say the least.

[jrw14125]

17. Admiral Adama

[IsItJustMe]

19. They made a movie called something like 'Walk Out' and wahla!

[rinsd]

29. Exactly

Its all an incredibly sophisticated marketing plan for the new blokcbuster!

:sarcasm:

[radio4progressives]

31. Must be al Queda.. It couldn't possibly be

what the fvcking ISSUE of CONCERN is fvcking about! Nooooooo..

it can't possibly be about their personal saftey from being ABU GRHAIBED..

nooooooo...

and of course those stupid mexicans have no historical context of life long struggle of oppression and taking to the streets in mass marches to demonstrate their outrage and the unanimity of their community...

nahhhh... it must be osoma bin laden financing these terra-ists.

I'm a white person that is fucking outraged with the utter ignorance of my own culture.

Fey!!!

Basta!

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. Then who are the groups organizing these events?

If they are they legitimate civil rights, grass roots groups then that's great. But my oh-oh meter goes off when everyone shows up with the same flag or the same exact signs. That takes planning and money. I'd just like to know where it's coming from.

[Douglas Carpenter]

36. the simple fact is there is a broad cross section of people who are

sympathetic with the immigrants mostly but not entirely coming from the progressive/left side of the political spectrum.

Yes it is true that there are business interest who support their cause for purely selfish motives.

It is also true that the Rep. Sensenbrenner and his friends in Congress timed their legislation for maximum political benefit. It is another wedge issue in a similar way that gun control, gay marriage and pro-choice are wedge issues. It tends to divide and in some cases split progressives from at least a portion of their base.

[radio4progressives]

38. What? Someone said here "they" don't have computers...

Not so. Students have no computers? Are you kidding?

Students are citizens and children of immigrants first and second generations. What you think the Latina/o populations are not closely connected communties?

That's one of the huge differences between the white priviledged population in this country - no fucking clue about the culture of the Latina/o and other communties of color - they are very close. Their survival has always depended on that. Communications are very tight whether it's by cell phone, computers or just word of mouth - but in this instance they have that and their own MEDIA. Radio and television.

What is striking to me, is how much all this is "shocking" to the white priviled class... why aren't we take to the goddam streets against wars, against a catalogue of other outrageous and inhumane policies, not to mention the desimation of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not to mention Stolen Elections, and last but not least, against Union Busting in this country and other punitive actions taken against the working class and Labor?

The next big demonstration is planned for May 1st ...

May 1st is international Workers Day.. the ORIGINAL LABOR day - I'll be one of thousands of other whites joining my Latina/o stisters and brothers.

Will you?

(business in this country did not want our society to connect the dots, and so threw us our "labor day" bone in September instead of the internationally recognized day of May 1st)

[radio4progressives]

41. don't let what you see on your teebee dictate what the actual facts are

i recall what the msm focused on during the anti-war demos, they liked to focus on the palestinian signs or similar. it's the same fvcking thing.

skewing the facts to support a point of view to inflame and keep ignorant the ignorant masses called amurika.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Rove had nothing to do with this, these are grassroot marches

we had a big one today in Indianapolis and it was organized by several citizen groups:

Immigration debate drawing in Hoosiers

Kris Kirschner/Eyewitness News

Indianapolis, April 10 - An immigrant from Peru, Lily Stockton bakes cookies for customers at the City Market. Sweeter than the confections she creates, is the life she chose here nearly 20 years ago.

"Back in Peru in that time life was chaos, terrorism, economy, not easy to get a job. Life is so much better here."

The dream of a better life is shared by thousands who rallied this weekend to urge Congress to make it easier for the 11 million illegal immigrants nationwide to become citizens.

A similar rally is planned in Indianapolis Monday.

Mario Soberanes is with the group Justice for Immigrants Coalition of Central Indiana. "We want to be people who work honestly. We want to be people who pay taxes."

http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=4750691

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. Thank you

I'd just hate to walk into one of his traps.

[lynne]

46. The League of United Latin American Citizens, National Capital

Immigrants Coalition and Mexican's Without Borders, to name a few.

http://www.lulac.org/events/immigrationcalendar.html

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. Thank you so much

that is what I wanted to know.

Now at least I can find out who they are and where they are coming from.

[Blue_Tires]

58. lol

I always wondered who organized all those protests over some political cartoon in denmark

[leesa]

59. It IS an excellent distraction, the organizers are striking a chord

It can't cover up Bush's crimes forever though...can it cover up their next 9-11 planning though?

[AlienGirl]

61. Locking

at original poster's request.