AS HANOI JANE SIDES WITH 5 GENERALS, SHE SNICKERS AND TAKES A SHOT!

[Jeffersons Ghost]

YOU GO JANE! On Larry King Live Jane Fonda said she follows the war closely and sees why the Generals are resigning with critical remarks about top leadership. She approaches the war from a spiritual perspective although she was raised an atheist. She seeks to heal not hurt our troops. She said she would be more vocal against war, except she realizes any public announcements would fuel "war monger" efforts.

who can name each anti-war activist?

[wtmusic]

1. I see...

Jane Fonda Bobby Seales Patty Hearst ? Abbie Hoffman and Angela Davis?

[LittleClarkie]

2. Patty Hearst was an anti war activist?

Hrm.

[wtmusic]

3. No

but that's her pic.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

6. NOPE... I said nothing about hurst being anti-war... wrong! strike one!

[LittleClarkie]

10. You said who can name each anti war activist.

So I figured you meant each one was supposed to be.

Didn't know it was multiple choice.

Any reason you're calling her Hanoi Jane, btw?

And I don't know what she was raised as, perhaps atheist as you say, but she's a born again Christian now.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

17. well turn on larry king now and hear it all in her words

and you're right... Do my graphics make you think I oppose her? She's got no problem with it, nor do I... She also praised Cindy Sheehan and Gold Star Parents.

[LittleClarkie]

20. I'm at work. It wasn't your graphic that made me think you opposed her

It was calling her what the freeper call her that made me think you opposed her.

Hanoi Jane is not a complimentary nickname. She has disavowed her actions in North Vietnam.

(and I probably also get bad vibes from that name because they called Kerry "Hanoi Kerry" as well, though he was never pro-Communist.)

[Jeffersons Ghost]

38. John who?

Unlike the previous copy and paste I made this graphic myself.
How do you like it?

FASTBOAT THIS BITCH!

[Rodger Dodger]

76. Hanoi Jane - God Bless Her

Cheep shot!

Jane did more than most to end a senseless war and she deserves better.

Lest we forget we have thousands of our military, far away from their families and loved ones, at the 38th parallel in Korea for the past 50 years. Now north Korea has a three million man army and atomic capabilities.

I ask you where are our outspoken commanders head up their ... .

Don't you believe it's time to bring them home. With the cars South Korea is selling in America they can afford to patrol that area. Time to speak out and get them out.

Who will be the next war activist that take up that fight? I wonder how he/she will be remembered?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

7. you win wtmusic! can you name the rest of the Chicago 7?

[wtmusic]

8. That's stuck in the other half of my brain...

the Google half ;)

[DBoon]

28. Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis, Dave Dellinger,....

and a few others

[Jeffersons Ghost]

35. you're good dboon... who's this?

[wtmusic]

36. That hasta be...

Country Joe.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

41. damn you're good... look what i did with the song...

Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way out yonder in Iran
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Reminds me of Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go get those towel-heads —
The only good Muslim is one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'um all to kingdom come.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is in Iran;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Huh!
Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray if they drop some nukes,
They don’t drop it on our own troops.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Reminds me of Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on mothers, now don’t be sad
Pack your boys off to Baghdad.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is in Iran.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

[wtmusic]

46. Nice work JG

I'm gonna save that one...maybe dig out the old guitar tomorrow :thumbsup:

[Jeffersons Ghost]

49. pick a few scabs... revive a few memories and who knows what might hatch

[wtmusic]

47. Here's one for you...who's this?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

53. ok... you got me... his face I remember, especially the beard

I've racked my brain long enough... who is it? this will piss me off at myself, I know!

[wtmusic]

55. He wrote "Soul on Ice"? v SPOILER BELOW v

Eldridge Cleaver (I probably wouldn't have recognized this picture)

[Jeffersons Ghost]

60. i cheated but ras kass doesn't ring a bell. his face, does..

[Jeffersons Ghost]

72. ok, i couldn't sleep cause you're haunting the ghost... i was thinking of

Richie Havens

[wtmusic]

77. Ritchie Havens...of course

can't forget him.

Who's this getting busted in the 60s...not famous at the time, is now:

[0007]

83. Howard Zinn?

[wtmusic]

85. Bingo! nt

[CTyankee]

84. What did he say about rape?

I seem to recall his "Soul on Ice" talked about that.

What was it that he said?

[wtmusic]

86. Don't know

I started to read it but it was more than my little white suburban sensibilities could bear.

[0007]

82. We should have another gigantic Woodstock concert

if we don't ......Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

[DBoon]

73. My high school creative writing teacher?

you lost me on that one...

BTW, the older balding guy in the Chicago 7 was a chemist - I forget his name but he eventually had a career in occupational health and safety work.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. With all due respect, that's a bit of revisionist history

Not all of them were really antiwar activists.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

9. in truth, the Black Panthers and Patty Hurst were more a peoples army

not anti-war, just anti-establishment.

[LittleClarkie]

12. Hearst was a kidnap victim. She wasn't anything BUT that.

I'm sorry, I find your OP kinda odd. I don't get what you're trying to say. Do you have a problem with Fonda?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

27. nope i like her...can you name these people?

[LittleClarkie]

29. There would seem to be seven of them

So I'm thinkin' they are the Chicago 7.

Didn't Abbie Hoffman show up in court as one of our founding fathers?

[DBoon]

31. Tom Hayden upper right

and Dave Dellinger, lower left???

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Yeah .... the Symbionese Liberation Army .....

.... which was all of ... what ..... four or five people?

And one hostage with Stockholm Syndrome.

[Ecumenist]

22. Yep...

I remember when a few members were caught in a house in LA and there was that big shootout. I was living IN LA at the time and although I was very young, I remember the craziness and the news reptoring what was going on.

[wtmusic]

14. But who's #4?

[Syrinx]

18. isn't it Jerry Rubin?

[wtmusic]

19. thank you.

[Syrinx]

71. you're welcome

I didn't reply right away, because I wasn't sure I was right. :)

[Jeffersons Ghost]

25. yep, that's Jerry Rubin... I saw him speak in '71.

Back then, instead of "RED-ALERT" terrorism, it was a "DUCK AND COVER" full-scale ongoing red-scare. Jerry said, "Why not let the commies take over this city? see what they can do with 20 square miles of fast-food and filling stations. I read his book after I saw him in-person but I didn't "steal" it.

[wtmusic]

26. "Steal This Book" was Abbie Hoffman's

and I bought it, little suburban establishment freak that I was.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

30. ooops you're right... it's been a while

Jerry was funny as hell at the UofA campus but killing my red-neck war-mongering parents seemed a bit extreme.

[wtmusic]

32. All of those people were extreme...a freakin' PEOPLE'S ARMY?

That blew shit up? Homeland Security would quash that in a NY minute nowadays.

It was an extreme reaction to an extreme time. Now I'm waxing nostalgic... :nopity:

[Jeffersons Ghost]

33. who's this?

[wtmusic]

34. Joan Baez nt

[Jeffersons Ghost]

39. ok, another hit, right out of the park... who's this:

and why is he not a true anti-war activist?

[wtmusic]

40. Looks like Dylan

but I don't know about the other part...

[Jeffersons Ghost]

43. right so far, but why is he not political?

[wtmusic]

48. You got me.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

50. because he didn't want to be political and claimed he never even tried

later his lyrics got screwy because he was pissed everyone was turning his work into something it wasn't meant to be... "carried on his shoulder a siamese cat" and a chip... he was so much a rebel he rebelled against rebels.

[wtmusic]

52. maybe not overtly

Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?

I think he was more antiwar than he wanted to admit.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

54. make no mistake I LOVE Dylan, especially his lyrics

that's early stuff though... check out his migration in later lyrics.

[wtmusic]

56. Thanks Jeffersons Ghost...it's been fun

time for this tired old hippie to hit the waterbed

[blondeatlast]

5. Whaaaaaaaaa?

:wtf:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

63. I think your post is the most sensible on this thread.

[CanuckAmok]

11. Take Hearst out of that otherwise esteemed company.

She was nothing but a diletente rich kid dabbling in the fringes of the fashionable counter-culture, and when she was caught, her family's connections got her out of trouble.

[LittleClarkie]

16. No. She wasn't. She was a kidnap victim. She wasn't dabbling in anything.

She believe what happened to her is called the Stockholm syndrome. She wasn't a willing participant in the counter-culture.

[Ecumenist]

23. Ummm,no.... she was kidnapped and psychologically broken down...

I seem too remember that she was confined to a closet for an extended period of time in addition to other things designed to break down her resistance.

[LittleClarkie]

24. Maybe that was just the latest fashion at the time

Hanging out in closets getting yourself broken down.

Oh those wacky rich kids. :sarcasm:

[CanuckAmok]

37. Were you there?

Do you really believe everything that was reported in the Hearst-dominated media?

I wonder why none of the other SLA "kidnapees" were acquited or diagnosed with Stockholm Syndrome. Oh, wait, I remember... it's because they weren't wealthy.


Please. Partty Hearst = Paris Hilton in a beret.

[Ecumenist]

44. Oh please....

Were you, Canuck? What you were surmising has no basis in fact... I'm not saying the she treated just like everyone else would have been but some things are a matter of history.. and it was just reported by the Heart Newspapers.

[LittleClarkie]

45. What other kidnapees?

What makes you think some rich girl would just up and seek out such a ragtag bunch.

I don't think she'd have even known who they were and what they did unless they kidnapped her.

How would she have met them? Do you think she met them at the spa and thought they were nifty?

And when everything started to go wrong and it was clear that the police considered her not a victim but a criminal, don't you think that "Paris" would have then decided "Oops, this isn't fun anymore. I'll just be leaving." Bit far to go for a dabble, don't you think.

No, I wasn't there. But neither were you. And your take on the situation doesn't make logical sense.

Your would seem to be prejudging her based on the fact that she was rich and named Hearst. I'll go with her autobio, I think.

[Ecumenist]

42. Oh, that's right...

Mea Culpa....Thank you for correcting my knowledge of history...
Wasn't that fad right up there with being sent to a political torture camp, placed in solitary confinement, beaten and otherwise tortured all the while being served scrumptious gourmet dishes such as LEMON CHICKEN,BEEF BROCCOLI, etc.. Silly me...

Kinda like the good old days in the Antebellum south for Black people....:sarcasm:

[CanuckAmok]

61. you're right, her plight is akin to slavery.

oh, ba-rother!

Whatever, I'll just go and read her autobiography, because autobiographies are seldom slanted and self-serving.

[LittleClarkie]

64. I'm still don't get how you reckon her parents got her out of trouble

Seeing as she went to prison for 21 months and all.

Why are you reacting so badly to someone disagreeing with you. You asked me if I was there. But you weren't there either. You seem to have somewhat of your own slant on Patty Hearst, reasons unknown. So she was rich and probably quite spoiled. Why does that have to mean that she wasn't also kidnapped? No, her case isn't akin to slavery. But I don't understand why you appear to be leaning so far to the other side in assuming she was a rich kid dabbling in the counterculture who invented it all. The facts don't seem to bear that out. You're speculating unless you can cough up an account or a story or something.

God knows there's enough room for speculation according to the accounts I've read. Why so hostile?

The Crime Library has an interesting account, actually. And while they are not necessarily sympathetic toward Ms. Hearst, at least they are able to give a fairly balanced and UNBIASED account of her story.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics4/hearst/

[Ecumenist]

66. You know what?

I never intimated that her plight was akin to Slavery.... It was a metaphor, made in Sarcasm in response to someone else... Being the great great granddaughter of ex slaves is'ts nothihng I take lightly and I do not appreciate you making the witless leap from point A to point Z. Try critical thining once and a while...

[WhiteTara]

58. actually she went to jail n/t

[LittleClarkie]

59. Well, of course my dear.. Everyone who was ANYONE back then

went to jail. Oh those chic little prison outfits were just DARLING!

:sarcasm:

Actually, I'd forgotten that little fact. Thanks. I think our friend here drew a conclusion re: Ms. Hearst, and the facts just didn't make a dent in it.

[WhiteTara]

62. I was also thinking she married

her jailer after she got out, but that would be too weird, wouldn't it?

I guess I was someone cause I got to go to jail, but no little chic suits for me, I wasn't there long enough to be fitted.:hippie:

[wtmusic]

78. It was her bodyguard

but I like your version better.

[McCamy Taylor]

15. Ummm..actually these people represent the status quo now.

They use them to sell retirement funds and Snapple on TV. It is soooo hip to have been a hippie way back when.

So, Hanoi Jane, if you want to protest the war in Iraq, so right ahead. I do not think that you will change any minds. The people who care about what you did in a negative way are perfectly capable of making up their own minds, and there are more people who care about what you did in a positive way that you seem to realize.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

21. duhhh where's the hippies?

maybe a couple of Yippies but no hippies in imagery.

[wtmusic]

51. Yeah I think all those negative exercise videos turned people off

it was the positive antiwar message that people will remember her for

[Jeffersons Ghost]

57. Hey man... dig this mesage:

(Monster)
Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey

(Suicide)
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

(America)
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster

[LittleClarkie]

65. I have that on vinyl still

somewhere. Great song.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

67. check out my next two threads please i need your help bad on these

here's one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2577434

vote it up please

[LittleClarkie]

68. Done and done

Faster than the average human being, I am.

I've recommended them already. I will also kick them up.

God bless you for your efforts.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

69. thanks brother (I think) give um a kick later if you don't mind.

I'll stay up a while longer but I'm in the east.

[LittleClarkie]

70. Sister (but it's cool) and if I'm still up in the midwest I shall.

Otherwise I'll bump them in the morning.

[annabanana]

87. My son ripped this to a cd for me... I blast it

through the minivan windows on my travels...

Just trying to jar a couple of bricks loose around town...

[Bridget Burke]

74. Hanoi Jane?

And these were NOT all anti-war Activists.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

75. no kidding... read the rest of the thread and why post here Bridget...

when you could be signing my John Kerry petition to end the Iraq war? sign it please... it's real close to this thread on the board

[Blue_Tires]

79. ttt n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

80. What the HELL is your point?

If you want to say something, say it already.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

81. ok.... what the hell is your problem? I have two things to say

1. seek counseling

2. ask for strong(er) meds.

[annabanana]

88. naw.. just tell em to

read the goddam thread