Hillary Clinton is as American as baseball and apple pie

[mtnsnake]

and as hot as a sizzling slice of pizza pulled straight from the oven rack.

As an ardent Obama supporter myself, I sat down tonight and perused the situation, wondering what it is that makes this lady so popular. Then I had an epiphany. It dawned on me that Hillary Clinton is the quintessential All-American woman. Couple that with her brilliant mind, her determination, and her charm, and it almost makes her impossible to beat. Obama has his work cut out for him, but I'm not giving up hope.

May the best one win.

[ElizabethDC]

1. Oh dear, you've gone and said something nice about Hillary

be careful :hide:

[JNelson6563]

45. How obnoxious of you

The OP set a positive tone for the discussion and right out of the gate here's a Hillary supporter with a fresh hot serving of snark.

I gather you aren't here to win support for your candidate or credibility for yourself. If you are you may want to rethink your strategy.

Julie

[wyldwolf]

57. yes, but a snarky reply #2 from a non-Clinton supporter doesn't seem to bother you.

How obnoxious of you

[JNelson6563]

61. Gosh could it be the taunting?

I noticed that many of the very first replies from Clinto supporters were basically taunting those who might be prone to post something negative.

I must say, some Clinton supporters appear to be going out of their way to increase the strife and attacks on their candidates. Kind of makes the wailing and gnashing of teeth a bit less believable, not to mention the sack-cloth and ashes routine and the cross-draggins we see from time to time.

I thought the OP was very good and there was so much opportunity for a positive discussion. How sad so many thought otherwise.

Julie

[Ethelk2044]

2. What makes her Popular?

Her husband. If she was the same person without Bill she would not even be acknowledged. He makes her. People support her because of him.

[Herman Munster]

4. bullshit

without hillary, bill never would have been president.

It all would have ended in the 1992 primaries if she didn't appear on 60 Minutes to battle the infidelity allegations. And that's just one example. There are hundreds more where Hillary saved Bill's ass.

[Ethelk2044]

8. Your Wrong

People like Bill because of his charm. The way he speaks and relates to people. That is what drawed African Americans to him. He knew how to relate to them. It was not because of her. Hell when she was in Selma. the applause was nothing campared to what it would have been if Bill would have spoke or Obama. They were polite to her becuase of him.

[ElizabethDC]

10. Did you watch her speech at the church in Selma?

I'd say the applause was more than "polite." She held her own.

[Ethelk2044]

14. Yes I Did

I also know if Bill gave that speech he would have had several standing ovations. The media even compared her speech to one that Bill might give and said the mood was not there. She tried but she was not him. There is a way you have to seak to the crowd to move them especially in an african American church. Again they were polite. The mood was not there. There is something I know about speaking in a black church being that I am African American you have to move the crowd. If you would have taken notes when they were talking about what Obama did in the church down the street, it was a big difference. Even the media stated he moved the crowd more because he knows how to talk to them.

That is one thing she is lacking especially if she tries to get the black vote. She is not going to be able to reach back for Bill all the time. And believe me. I love myself some Bill. But she is not Bill.

[ElizabethDC]

16. No, she isn't Bill

no one has his speaking skills. I've seen him speak in person a couple of times, and I've also seen Barack, Hillary, and many others. No one comes close to Bill, no doubt about it. But she got a great reception in Selma - I watched her speech several times, as well as Obama's.

[Ethelk2044]

19. Ok Reception not Great

[Tellurian]

35. True Enough..

Bill does take original thoughts and create new ideas benefiting the American People. He has a habit of not regurgitating the same ole memes over and over again numbing the crowd into a hypnotic state. He knows just how to bring the crowd to their feet in full participation of his new and fresh ideas for America.

Hillary may not possess the same style but her speeches are original, meaningful and she's learning to strike the right cord with her audience.

[Ethelk2044]

46. Her Speeches

Her speeches are talking points. They are tested before she even gets out of the gate. People know this and that is why she gets the anti hillary reaction. If for once she could speak from her heart and act like she is sincere maybe just maybe she would gain more people being loyal to her.

[Tellurian]

48. I don't know anything of the kind..

Her speeches are about reformation of the American Dream. All that the Republicans, primarily Bush, have taken away from US. However, your point is well taken. I'm sure as time goes by, she will improve her delivery as it would make all the difference in the world as to how she is perceived.

[IndianaGreen]

26. Hillary was wrong in her Selma speech. Civil Rights movement was not a women's right movement!

Hillary (and all women) owe everything to the Suffragettes, to Susan B. Anthony, Emma Goldman, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Jane Addams, and many other brave women, anarchists, socialists, communists, that in the 19th and early 20th century fought for women's equality which included abortion rights, divorce rights, etc.

The Civil Rights movement was concerned about building up Black men. Women were told that they need to focus on helping the men overcome the subjugation that racism had imposed on them for generations. Read some of the literature from this period and you will see what I mean.

Even as late as the 1970s, Black activists saw the women's movement as being primarily one of middle class white women, having little to do with the struggles of Black America.

[Captain_Nemo]

34. Suffragists, please.

Suffragette was a disparaging term coined by the anti-women's suffrage movement. Much like the term we have today "femi-nazi" And, Hillary Clinton and all women owe their rights to not only the suffragists but to the women's liberation movement of the 60s and 70s. Without the women's liberaiton movement of the 60s and 70s women would still be looking for jobs in sex segregated help wanted ads (yes, the classifed ads for employment were separated: Female Help Wanted and Male Help Wanted up until 1974 and, guess which types of jobs were in the female columns!), we would be excluded from sports in the public school system, we would not have any reproductive rights. The women's liberation movement grew out of the civil rights movement. The gay movement grew out of the women's rights movement.
The civil rights movement had a backbone made up of women. The 1955 bus boycott was conceived of by the women's council in Montgomery, Alabama. Ella Baker, Fannie Lou Hamer were prominent women in the civil rights movement. By saying that the civil rights movment encouraged women to focus on men is not true. Sexism existed in the civil rights movement just as racism existed in the women's liberation movement. However, the women's liberation movement was filled with African American women from the very beginning. Read the literature. Start with WORDS OF FIRE a compilation of black feminist essays.

[Tellurian]

37. Well said!..

[Alamom]

50. YES! Very well said. You sound as if you were there. I was & you are on the mark. n/t

[Cameron27]

62. Very well said

:thumbsup:

Welcome to DU!

[A Simple Game]

5. Don't forget the old saying.

Behind every great man, is a greater woman.

Maybe Bill wouldn't have been great if it wasn't for his wife?

And the inverse could also be true; behind every great woman is a greater man!

She would be a two fer as president.

[Ethelk2044]

9. People are not going to vote for her to get a two fer

[Tellurian]

39. But if they do- they do!

:)

[A Simple Game]

51. Some may. Bill, most would agree, can be seen as an asset

not as a liability.

In some fights the corner man is just as important as the fighter.

[Ethelk2044]

58. They will throw his baggage her way

I have heard they are investigating what he has been up to personally since he was in office. They will find out any and everything

[Tellurian]

80. Like anyone is going to buy manufactured tabloid worthy rumors..

the GOP has run out of road with their cry wolf, spend taxpayer millions, on grotesque irrational assumptions.
They can play that game all they want. It's a foregone Dead End..

[mod mom]

54. I believe it is the big bucks she receives from her corporate sponsors.

Sorry if my comment upsets folks here, but I've had it with this corporate controlled government. It's time for real change. Power to the people.

[laugle]

75. What a rotten insult to

strong, intelligent, independent women!

She is held in high regard as a Senator of N.Y. You just dissed all of her constituent's too.

If you don't like her--that's fine, but at least try to be a little bit informed on her achievments.

As far as Bill goes--he is a definite asset!

What a sexist remark!!

[izzybeans]

83. Nah. You couldn't have had Bill without Hillary. I admire her for that.

I still won't vote for her, unless she is the nominee.

I prefer someone not of the oligopoly. The Clinton family no longer can make that claim. Imagine four Presidents; a husband and wife, a father and son...all in succession. That is not something to cheer for. It's something to mourn. However I will take the lesser of two evils as a strategic move.

[Big Pappa]

3. oh boy.

:popcorn:

[PresidentObama]

7. Please share the popcorn ;) We're in for a LONG night here on DU. I'll brew some coffee. n/t

[Big Pappa]

11. You got it.

I made the mistake last night of getting involved in one these Hillary threads. Tension was running high.

[PresidentObama]

12. It's a contact sport messing in the Hillary threads. n/t

[PresidentObama]

6. mtnsnake, I hope you've got your pads on tonight.

They're going to hit you with everything they've got. You know, the 86% of DU that thinks Hillary Clinton is our parties worst nightmare. Gasp.

Anybody but Hillary
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[JNelson6563]

47. It sure would be nice

of those who like to claim they want civil and productive dialogue would've followed the positive tone of the OP. Seems many of the first replies are so snarky, it's almost as if ya'll are desperate for some nastiness.

*sigh*

Julie

[PresidentObama]

66. I'm not desperate for nastiness. I agree with the OP.

:shrug:

[JNelson6563]

72. Well then I recommend you don't try to incite it

as your snipey post I replied to does.

Julie

[PresidentObama]

73. Get off your high horse, my friend.

I pointed out the obvious. That the anti-Hillary folks were likely to invade this thread and blast him for posting something positive about Senator Clinton. I take your comment with a grain of salt.

[JNelson6563]

74. Ok, nevermind

Inject all the nastiness you like then, just don't look for much sympathy when you bemoan how nasty the primaries are.

Oy.

Julie--always falling for those claims of longing for civil dialogue that so often turn out to be insincere

[durrrty libby]

13. She is all that and a cup o joe

[Tellurian]

15. Someone outside is selling scalper tickets..

mtnsnake, are you expecting company tonight? I see a beer and wine cooler, snacks, karaoke machine..
whathe?

Oh...about Hillary..agreed, so much jealousy, so little time for mudslinging!

[PresidentObama]

17. Mudslinging from OUR party mind you.

I thought the slime was specifically from the RW. I was wrong!!

[Tellurian]

21. Yes, the attic is getting a little crowded.. and the funny uncle

is getting miffed too many are taking up his space..

[Ethelk2044]

18. Jealous of What

I have nothing against her. I am just stating facts of how I and many others feel. Don't get me wrong. I will hold my nose and vote for her to defeat a repug. But I will have to drag myself to the polls and stand if the voting booth and fight both of my hands.

Oh no you don't

Yes you do you dont want a repug

Hell no we do not want her

Well she is better than any repug


Girl I will slap you crazy if you touch that lever.

Yes, I am we don't want the repug remember.

Slap

Why you hit me.

Because I told you not to vote for her

Well, we are better off without a repug. I thought you would want that.

Ok, if that is the only chance we can get out of this Hell hole we are in since we have no other choice.

These are the exact words and actions I would have to go through to vote for her.

But right now I do not have to settle. Go Barack Go!

[anitar1]

87. I'll have a glass of red , please, as I observe. n/t

[Solon]

20. So she is English and Dutch?

Sorry, Apple Pie isn't really an American invention.

/smartass alert

[Ethelk2044]

22. LOL

[Solon]

30. You know, if Hillary ISN'T as American as baseball and Cracker Jacks...

Doesn't that mean that she can't run for President?

;)

I find the OP kinda silly, in case you can't tell. :)

[quinnox]

23. Very good thread

and I agree she is a an archetype of success in America. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards are both wonderful candidates.

[Ethelk2044]

24. Please pass whatever you are drinking

I could use some. Edwards I like. He would be my second choice after Obama.

[Poll_Blind]

25. Brand recognition and the real "best candidate".

  I always thought it was odd that out of a nation of 300+ million people that the best-qualified person for the job would just happen to be the wife of the previous president from that party. Still kind of a head-scratcher. Regardless of politics, I think the same thing about Shrub and Bush Sr. It just seems fishy and smacks more of brand recognition than anything else.

PB

[Colobo]

27. Hillary is as American as any other American

[IndianaGreen]

29. Unless one believes that only those with blue eyes and blond hair are the real Americans!

This "real American" shit is what one hears in Faux News all the time. From what I recall, white people arrived in America without a visa, a work permit, or even with permission to land.

[Colobo]

43. Excellent point. This "American as Apple Pie" thing

is stereotypical and excluding.

[Catherine Vincent]

28. I agree. Hillary is hot!

:-)

[MannyGoldstein]

31. Yes, She Deserves To Win

The woman is Mother Teresa and Golda Meir mixed together, with just a soupcon of the Virgin Mary.

She's in, and she's in to win. She deserves to win - but we don't derverve her.

[IndianaGreen]

32. We are not worthy! We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

The woman is Mother Teresa and Golda Meir mixed together, with just a soupcon of the Virgin Mary.

and with a touch of Maggie Thatcher, Imelda Marcos, and Barbara Amiel-Black (Lord Conrad Black's wife), and Sarah Netanyahu (Binyamin "Bibi" Netanyahu's wife).

[MannyGoldstein]

40. And A Wee Hint

of Anna Nicole Smith - back in the innocent "Guess Jeans" days.

[Ethelk2044]

52. We Deserve

We deserve someone who speaks from the heart and not talking points. Someone who is sincere. Someone will not say anything just to get a vote.

[unkachuck]

33. I think Hillary....

....has many nice qualities too....for example, I've never seen her spit while giving a speech like many politicians do....

....her teeth are fairly straight and her hair is usually done up quite well although I'm not a big fan of shorter hair....

....I once saw her on the Today show talking about a vast right-wing conspiracy....she was cool, calm and very entertaining....I thought she'd make a great DJ someday....

[IndianaGreen]

38. She has better teeth than Tony Blair

and she has the charm of Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall.

[unkachuck]

41. Cornwall, you say....

....I didn't know Cornwall had a Duchess....

[IndianaGreen]

42. It certainly does! The Duchess of Cornwall is well known.

:-)

[mtnsnake]

60. LOL

[AtomicKitten]

36. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I like pie.

[Kurovski]

44. So does Sen. Hillary Clinton,

if we're to believe Gennifer Flowers.

[Blue_Tires]

49. you forgot Chevrolet

which is more american than the first two (and yes i am a chevy guy)

[MadHound]

53. Yeah, about as American as

Being a corporate pawn, paying more attention to money than people, and talking out of both sides of your mouth. Mmm-hmm, that's Hillary!

[LibDemAlways]

55. If being "all American" is having your

finger up in the air constantly to see which way the wind is blowing, voting to authorize the Bush Crime Family to slaughter Iraqis, being the living embodiment of raw political ambition....then, yeah, Hillary is right up there with mom and apple pie.

[lwesty]

56. I may vomit. NT

[Tellurian]

59. same thing happened to Poppy Bush

last week before he fainted, when he heard Hillary was still leading in the polls.

[durrrty libby]

64. You must be the stink I smell

[lwesty]

67. nope, must be you "durrrty"

Can't be me 'cause I'm not in the same room as YOU!
Funny that a member of DU w/ over a thousand posts would feel the need to insult someone for expressing their opinion. If all the gushing about Hillary makes me want to vomit and I say so, it's my opinion and this IS the forum for expressing it.
I did not insult the person who started this thread, just the sentiment it expressed.

[Learn2Swim]

63. She's

American as her war vote

Hot as her dwindling lead in the polls

woot! :eyes: High five!

[Forkboy]

65. Baseball is full of steroid users,apple pie isn't American

and sizzling pizza pulled straight from the rack usually results in scalding hot cheese resting on your chin.

[Cha]

78. Yeah, Gag me

a with fork.

[Forkboy]

88. I'd rather have seen the unedited version of your reply

:)

[Cha]

89. Sorry, I don't even remember

why I edited it..it was obviously a typo cause that's what I meant to write.

[Dr Fate]

68. That's what everyone at my barbershop always says!!

My bartender too. And everyone at the bar.

An everyone around the water cooler, grocery lline & bus-stop just GUSHES over her.

And dont get me started on how they love her at the VFW hall and the Masonic Lodge- or so I've heard.

Yup, that Hill is really something- "Little Miss Liberty" is what they all call her. She may as well dress up like the Statue of Liberty itself, seeing as how all of America already sees her that way.

Gets me all MISTY it does.

God Bless the U S of A!!!

[Learn2Swim]

69. I thought that was really funny.

great job. :thumbsup:

[Dr Fate]

70. Thanks- but I could never top the OP for sheer, gut-busting guffaws & belly laughs.

Oh MY do my ribs hurt!!!

[bluehighways911]

71. When Will We Learn

Bush became President because of his last name.

Hillary is in the race because of her last name.

Think we would learn from the Bush disaster.

Hillary is lowlife warmonger scum.

You like lying to start wars, vote for Hillary.

[Clarkie1]

76. .

:eyes:

[ElboRuum]

77. You know...

I have got to hand it to you.

Never before have I seen such an innocuous top post start such a conflagration.

[opihimoimoi]

79. Listen to her husband..."Hillary will make a fine President..."

[Tellurian]

81. Bill, ought to know..

and good of him to support his team counterpart with all the vigor and fiber of his being..

[opihimoimoi]

82. no shit

[Clarkie1]

84. Well...who wants to sleep in the doghouse? nt

:-)

Couldn't resist.

[opihimoimoi]

85. LOL

[Jack Rabbit]

86. So were the jurors in Benet's The Devil and Daniel Webster

as American as baseball and apple pie, as Mr. Webster's adversary pointed out to him in that classic short story.

It's worth another read, now that everybody's out of high school.