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eyeswideopened Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 10:34 PM
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Kerry might have just convinced me to support him ... maybe
I read on MSNBC that Kerry said the following about outsourcing jobs overseas.

"Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry pounced on the gaffe, saying the administration already had presided over a loss of 3 million jobs (actually closer to 2.3 million), and now they want to export more of our jobs overseas.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 10:37 PM
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1. How does he intend to prevent job losses if he continues to support...
NAFTA & WTO?

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just wondering what the plan is? Actions speak louder than words.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 10:40 PM
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3. What it all comes down to, is...
Kerry MIGHT do something, while we know MonkeyBoy will not...I can live with a bet like that.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:05 PM
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4. Meanwhile, we're still in a primary
and there are other options than just Kerry & Bush (for the time being). We may as well go through the motions. And while we're at it, why not vote for the best candidate?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:35 PM
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8. Shhh. Don't ruin the propaganda.
Just keep repeating

"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
"Kerry is electable"
I did not have sex with that woman
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:32 PM
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7. Yeah... Just like all those people who bet on "compassionate conservatism"
You live with your bet then; I won't.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:13 AM
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13. those are not your only choices... in fact there are two candidates
who have promised to do something about Nafta. While Dean and Kucinich see different solutions, both have promised to change the Nafta as we now know it.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 10:38 PM
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2. He is talking about it in every speech

I mean really the Orwellian mindset of the Administration is baffling. Do they really think they can convince people that outsourcing jobs overseas is good for the economy?

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:25 PM
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5. He's also talking about Peak Oil and making major changes
in our energy strategy. He talked about how a fundemental change and public/private investments could be made such that 500,000 new jobs are created. I think this understates the true opportunity of a structural overhaul of our oil economy, but it's a damn good start.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:29 PM
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6. Kerry's answer is to eliminate tax-breaks for companies which
Kerry's answer is to eliminate tax-breaks for companies which jobs overseas.

I think that it would take more to have a significant impact: companies which replace American workers with overseas workers would have to be barred from federal contracts.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:05 AM
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10. okay, you're an Intel exec
The company gets to keep a 200-million-dollar tax break if we keep jobs here. You can save the company - on the lowest-end of the estimate - about $32,000 for every employee you outsource to China. To make up for the tax break you lose, how many employees would you outsource?

A: 625 But you may as well make it a thousand & pull in some profit.

You think Microsoft cares about the tax incentives?

Kerry's plan may be good for reducing Bush's deficit, which is a good thing, because we'll surely need social programs. But I don't see how it translates into jobs.
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eyeswideopened Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:16 AM
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14. make them pay social security taxes based on US pay scale
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 10:16 AM by eyeswideopened
For example if a company hires 10 engineers for a tech job at 25% of the US salary they would still have to pay social security employer matching taxes and unemployment taxes based on the pay scale for that job here in the US. This would help enemployment and social security in this country.

Question do they collect social security on foreign workers? If not they should be forced to do this as well to take care of all the people that they have put on the street over here.
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FXDS Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:54 PM
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9. Living wage
Kerry wants countries that import to the USA to have a living wage, decent working conditions and stop the polluting. In other words, no slave labor, including better wages, safe working environment and abide buy EPA standards. If they don't abide they can't import.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:07 AM
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11. How do you negotiate that without pulling out of the trade agreements?
Kerry's not even threatening to pull us out. What kind of basis is that for a negotiation?

Why would the entrenched corporatists who control the WTO, etc. agree to such reforms?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:08 AM
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12. Why is his campaign outsourcing it's campaign calls?
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 12:09 AM by Cheswick
I have heard that his campaign is using Canadian telemarketers. I am not sure if it is true, perhaps not.
However he does own 1,000,000 worth of Walmart Stock. I am pretty sure Walmart manufactures it's products overseas.
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