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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:29 PM
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Time for the New American Revolution?
You know we need a Revolution.

A Revolution towards representation of the common man by common men, instead of the elites now in power.

A Revolution toward a real, one man - one vote, democracy.

A Revolution toward energy sources that do not destroy the environment.

A Revolution toward real peace amongst all the living inhabitants of this little blue sphere spinning in the infinite depth of space.

Is this a good time, or what? If not now, when?



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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:31 PM
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1. It's a good time. n/t
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:32 PM
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2. Not Until After the Election
Then it's time
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:41 PM
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4. Why wait?
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 12:42 PM by BeFree
* represents the worst of why we need a Revolution. By pointing out his faults during the election, the revolution can make progress towards educating the People about why Revolution is needed.

In other words: * is the poster boy for Revolution.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:58 PM
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14. educate the people...
That, to me, is the saddest part. WHY can't they see? It is the most frustrating part to me. It makes me feel like I'm the one that's crazy sometimes.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:21 PM
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19. Education...
Faux news -- toward their own evil ends -- is an educational tool. The Revolution must learn from Faux news how to educate the masses.

The Revolution must bring an element of FEAR to the discussion and then offer up the solutions to ending that Fear. How's that sound?

Using the Constitution to show reasons to be fearful, and then using it again as a basis for Revolution, seems the way to go, imo.

In other words..... An education about the Constitution leads back to the Constitution being the Law of the Land, and a Revolution away from the elites being the Law.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:30 PM
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20. Sounds great to me
How do we get it to work? I don't see my sister often, but, a couple of weeks ago, we spent the day together. We talked about so many things. She said "It's so great to talk to someone who actually knows about the things I'm talking about." I said "It sure is". The vast majority of people just have no concept. And, another thing, many of them THINK they do, but really don't.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:52 PM
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22. Getting it to work....
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 01:53 PM by BeFree
I dunno. But as someone elsewhere in this thread states: This is the place, now is the time.

While it seems most of the People have no clue, I'm continually amazed at some of the folks I run across. I thought I was way out on the fringes with this 'We need a Revolution' idea, but the number of People who concur with Revolution continues to mount. We are not alone.

The time is now. Education and information are the keys to making it happen.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:42 PM
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6. god forbid we use our vote to change things
holding up signs is much more effective

:eyes:
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:41 PM
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3. better late than never (nt)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:00 PM
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15. And next year may be too late, eh?
We pretty much have it figured who is in the running for the 'World's Most Dangerous Man'. What else can we do, if not crank up the Revolution?

Let's get it on. Let the Revolution against the king and his goons proceed forthwith.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:34 PM
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21. 2000 was probably already too late, but it can't hurt to give it a shot

Not having a revolution doesn't seem to be working ;)
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:42 PM
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5. Actually...
...it's time to treat this like the class war it is. Call it revolution..but I call it fighting back in a war that the American people have been ignoring for the past 25 years!

No War but CLASS WAR!

Will
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:49 PM
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8. A Revolutionary Class War?
No argument from me!

The People have ALLOWED the elites to rise to the top. The Common People have to wake up to the fact that we are being lied too, stolen from, and trickled down on by the elites.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:48 PM
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7. How about secession instead?
The polarization between the South and the rest of the country has never really ended since the Civil War, and their toxic Jim Crow/Christian Coalition hate politics have poisoned the rest of the states. Let them break off and become the Banana republic they used to love so much before...

Bring the good old bugle, boys, we'll sing another song,
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along,
Sing it like we used to sing, fifty thousand strong,
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! We bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! The flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea,
While we were marching through Georgia.

So we made a thoroughfare for freedom and her train,
Sixty miles in latitude, three hundred to the main.
Treason fled before us, for resistance was in vain
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! We bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! The flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea,
While we were marching through Georgia.

Marching Through Georgia, to the tune of "I'm an Irishman"


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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:51 PM
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9. I believe that we are fighting a
cold civil war right now, and have been since 1980.
That was when the infamous Helms amendment tried to take my religion's legal right to exist in America.

We are very very close to a hot civil war. Just add an economic depression, and a wee bit more fear.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:55 PM
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11. Maybe this is why we keep rejecting our leaders
in the backs of our minds, we know the potential outcome of a strong, unified, organized, ideological opposition.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:54 PM
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10. Our political system is designed for incremental change.
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 12:55 PM by AP
Except during catastrophes.

From 1890 to 1930, the corporations chipped away and tried to entrench fascism. McKinley got shot, TR busted trusts and passed an income tax, which was good. A temporary reprieve. The corporations went back to work. They drove us into a deprssion with their avarice. FDR used that catastophre to change the country dramatically.

Then the Republicans went back to work. They began turning the tide in their favor in 1974. The last 30 years, they've really chipped away.

Are we going to need another Great Depression to undo the last 30 years? Or maybe the corporations have figured out a way to keep heads just above water? You know. Like the matrix--all of us in our pods with tubes connected to our bank accounts, keeping the big machine fed so that a few can control the world.

Oh wait. That's what they were doing to labor before the last depression. It just doesn't work.
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:57 PM
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12. Yes, but is it possible?
My daughter and I had a long discussion last night about the state of things in this country and the upcoming election.

In her political science class, her professor said that the reason why we have never had a major revolution for worker/human rights is because every time we have had a suffrage movement, the people in the movement are welcomed into the system with the promise that by joining the system, they can change the system thereby effectively neutralizing the people and the movement. (Does that make sense?)

They were specifically talking about the youth against the establishment movement of the 60's and how Congress voted to lower the voting age to 18 to give the youth the illusion that by joining the system, they could change it. And we see how well that's worked out.

This is what I see is happening in our primaries and the grass root candidates. As soon as their candidate drops out, there is an 'opening of arms' from one of the establishment candidates and the grass root supporters go to support the other candidate with the hope that the issues that were important to them will be picked up by the other candidate. However, sadly, at that point I fear they have effectively lost their say in the matter.

I was a Clark supporter and as you can see from my post, I am struggling of where to go from here. But I do agree that we need real change in this country.

Thanks for letting me post my thoughts. Wanted something substantial for my 700th post. Peace...
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:58 PM
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13. Congratulations on 700 posts!
You're now in the dreaded "700 Club" :scared:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:10 PM
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17. It begins between the ears, Momma
Welcome to the Revolution. We are the elemnet of change. If not us, who?
We are the Common women and men that make this country what it is.

The elites have snatched away our power and feed us nothing but leftovers. It's time we take back what is constitutionally ours, and put the elites back in their cages.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:01 PM
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16. Don't put off til tomorrow what you can do today
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 01:22 PM by HereSince1628
Well, that comes from the Homeland Security threat...Poor Richard, but it's still true. There is no real reason why discussions about the need for these changes can't be on-going.

The candidates are talking the talk about meeting the needs of real people and employing grass-roots efforts.



Removing the influence of power elites and establishing one man-one vote, where all votes count the same must begin INSIDE the Democratic Party.

There need to be rule changes that will facilitate such change which will include getting rid of superdelegates.

That movement to bring about that change must begin in local and state party organizations and spread in order to bring about permanent change in the national party.



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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:20 PM
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18. This is the place
Now is the time.

What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance.
-- Thomas Jefferson

http://www.wgoeshome.com

Jeanette
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:40 PM
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23. Sure it's time,
but I don't think it will happen for a few more years. Doesn't mean we shouldn't start now though.

I think it will really take an economic failure, probably by 2010 to start the revolution. After all, people do vote with their pocket books, and when Bush or Kerry has deficit spent their Social Security funds, the revolt will finally happen. BTW, Greenspan is already fessing up to having to cut back on Social Security, because the debt is getting too high to support the tax cut and S.S.. When the s*** really hits the fan by 2010, the eagle will cry again.
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