To Kerry Supporters----when you read this transcript....

[slinkerwink]

Alright, I concede that Hoffa might be joking, but we have seen articles where people that worked for Dean claimed that Dean was for another position, completely misrepresenting him. You have to make sure this doesn't happen with Kerry.

Look at the transcript. What Hoffa says comes as a shock to those who aren't watching the show. Keep control of the people that work for your candidate, or else we'll hear a lot of misreporting going on like we did with Dean.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4302564/

EDIT: If this is true or not, then Kerry needs to clarify this!

[ibegurpard]

1. More "liberal" positions kicked to the curb by Kerry

I'm curious what he WOULDN'T be willing to throw out the window.

[Tweed]

48. If you saw the clip, you would know they were joking

Perhaps you should actually watch the clip as opposed to just reading the transcript.

[coloradodem2005]

2. This isn't reassuring.

I hope this is not true. Especially since he will most likely be the nominee. If it is true, then Dean was right, we will be choosing the lesser of two evils. I really wish the media didn't perform their damned character assasination on him.

[slinkerwink]

4. same here too----and this is what was reported on Hardball

by the same guy that is going to endorse him.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

3. No James Hoffa does. That's why the panel was laughing at him.

:eyes:

[ibegurpard]

5. Was Hoffa lying or misrepresenting Kerry?

If so then perhaps the Senator needs to publicly make that very clear.

[slinkerwink]

6. exactly!

[JI7]

14. he was joking ,being sarcastic

that's why they laughed when he said it. as shown in the transcript and anyone who actually saw the thing.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Did anyone see the show? A careful reading of the transcript

indicates Hoffa was being sarcastic.

[JI7]

10. that's why they laughed (as transcript shows)

but some people see what they want to see. even if it's not the case.

[slinkerwink]

11. if so, then why didn't Hoffa say he was kidding?

This is an awful thing to be sarcastic about.

[JI7]

17. they KNEW he was joking

he didn't have to say it. they knew it which is why they laughed at him.

[ibegurpard]

12. It sounds like Senator Kerry needs to publicly clear up any possible

misconceptions about this, then.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

39. Sorry Slinker and Ibegurp

Kerry does NOT need to clear up any joking statement by James Hoffa that was pure sarcasm given Kerry's prior positions.
The only thing that needs to be cleared up is one's own incorrect (be it deliberate or accidental) interpretation of what they are reading. Otherwise, this thread is nothing more than intentional dishonest propaganda profiting off of nothing other than the faulty reading abilities of others.

[Taco Bell]

8. Enviro groups are backing Kerry

[slinkerwink]

13. they need to rethink their support in light of this

[Taco Bell]

15. it's "there" not "their"

[ibegurpard]

20. Are you referring to the previous post?

You are incorrect. "Their" is the proper spelling in this context.

[Taco Bell]

22. I don't think so

My mom was an english teacher

[slinkerwink]

26. um, that's the wrong grammar to use

"their" in my post was correct.

[Taco Bell]

28. once again, I beg to differ

[slinkerwink]

34. look at posts #29 and #30

I'm right.

[Taco Bell]

42. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to back down on this

[slinkerwink]

51. well, I'm an English minor, and I know my grammar

I'm right, and it IS "their," not "there" or "they're."

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[slinkerwink]

59. haha, I am going to graduate....

which college are you from?

[Taco Bell]

64. Ball State University

[slinkerwink]

96. never heard of it.....

I go to one of the twenty best national liberal arts colleges, so I have a lot of education on my side, and the best professors here...

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[slinkerwink]

111. tea drinkers? we don't drink tea here at my college

We drink coffee to get through all those seminar and research papers.

[Taco Bell]

114. you love the tea, I know it

Let me guess, your favorite tea is balmy lemon?

ON EDIT: left off the question mark

[slinkerwink]

119. it's "your" not "you're"-----another grammatical mistake!

No, I don't love tea, and the only tea I drink is chai, which is different from regular tea. I drink coffee most of the time.

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[slinkerwink]

123. nooo....I saw you quickly edited your post after I corrected you on the

grammatical mistake.

[Taco Bell]

125. no I edited for another mistake and you took advantage of that

to try and discredit me...

it burns you that I caught you in a grammatical error...

[slinkerwink]

127. lol! this is too rich! you're saying that I'm lying about catching you

in that grammatical mistake with "you're"----I saw you edited your post to clarify that.

[Taco Bell]

131. no one's going to buy into your dirty tricks slinker

You see, I edited my mistake...you still refuse to go back and edit your mistake that started this whole convo off...

[slinkerwink]

132. hahahaha! NO! that wasn't a grammatical mistake!

I'm right in post #13!

[Catholic Sensation]

60. is that how you people in fr spell "their"

God, even a child knows when referring to someone's position or anything, it's spelled "their." THERE refers to a place, like "Hey Taco Bell, your brain is over there under Rush Limbaugh's ass"

[juajen]

70. You are soooo wrong.

You're going to be very embarrassed over your stand on this very common mistake. You need to give it up now; come on, very slowly...the words are "So sorry, I am wrong!"

[slinkerwink]

72. he refuses to give up.....and it feels so good to be right grammatically

;-)

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[slinkerwink]

81. other people are saying I'm right. Look at posts #29 and #30.....

[Catholic Sensation]

83. are you trying to get 1000 posts on your first day on DU or something?

Jesus, you're wrong, and if you were right, you'd have people supporting you.

[Taco Bell]

80. Hey I'm in grad school I think I know my basic grammer

[slinkerwink]

82. grad school? yikes.....

[Catholic Sensation]

85. the fact he spelled grammar with an e should prove how serious he is

:eyes:

[Taco Bell]

89. my bad, at least I admit when I'm wrong

[slinkerwink]

91. but not for wrongfully correcting me on "their"?

[ibegurpard]

29. Looks like you missed this lesson

1 : of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2 : his or her : HIS, HER, ITS -- used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses -- W. H. Auden>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=their&x=14&y=15

[Taco Bell]

37. it could also be they're

[slinkerwink]

43. nope....it's "their"----not "they're"

[Taco Bell]

50. they're would be better than their in this context

[slinkerwink]

53. no, it is not...

"They need to rethink they're support for Kerry."-----that is grammatically wrong.

The right grammatical usage is "their" inserted in this sentence:

"They need to rethink their support for Kerry."

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[slinkerwink]

63. I'd call making grammatical mistakes "unimaginative" and "narrow"

In this case, I did not make a grammatical mistake in this sentence:

"They need to rethink their support for Kerry."

[Taco Bell]

67. if you believe in yourself you can get through this slinker

[slinkerwink]

68. *snort*

Look at posts #29 and #30 as to why I'm grammatically right.

[Taco Bell]

74. I'm sorry but I trust myself and my own momma

[slinkerwink]

77. erm.......

there's a majority consensus backing me up in my grammatical usage, and it's okay to say when you're wrong because I have been proven right.

[Taco Bell]

84. a handful of hapless souls does not a majority make

I have the whole english canon on my side baby

[ibegurpard]

87. Hey if you want to argue with the dictionary

Be my guest. :shrug:

[slinkerwink]

90. if you're right, then how come no one is backing you up?

but they're all backing me up?

[Taco Bell]

92. a herd sheltering a wounded member

[slinkerwink]

94. hahahahahaha, that's too rich!

I'm glad I have the ability to be grammatically correct, and the fact that other people recognize this. Thank heavens for well-educated people on DU!

[Tweed]

95. Haha, I think Taco Bell is trying to sell his company and raise his post #

This is pure comedy. Taco Bell is wrong on this item and his name is a commerical. He had three posts just 45 minutes ago. Perhaps he is drunk/high?

[slinkerwink]

97. hahaha, I know----this is one of the most fun threads I've ever had

where a clear majority shows that they are grammatically correct....ahhh, good ol' DU...:toast:

[Taco Bell]

98. I feel like I've wandered into some alternate bizzaro universe

where no one understands basic grammatical concepts

WTF is going on?

:shrugs:

[slinkerwink]

102. well, we'd like to know what kind of grammar is used in an

an alternate universe where "their" is confused for "they're" or "there"....

[Taco Bell]

101. you're one of those "I don't like to be challenged" types

[slinkerwink]

103. no, I like being challenged, and the clear majority backs me up

on my grammar usage.

[Taco Bell]

107. what's this fixation with the "majority"?

this is an odd alternate universe you have here slinker...

[Tweed]

108. Taco Bell must be a DK supporter n\t

[slinkerwink]

110. look at posts #75, #30, #15, #42, #22, #84, and #109

those are other posters that are backing me up---that is a clear majority. Do I see anyone backing you up? No.

[Tweed]

112. No one is going back up the underdog? That hardly seems like DU style

Even if Taco Bell is dead wrong.

[Taco Bell]

117. don't do it for me, do it for basic rightness and sanity

[Taco Bell]

113. I give up

[Tweed]

116. You give up after all that and you don't give a reason?

Come one, even one line.

[Taco Bell]

118. huh?

[slinkerwink]

120. Tweedtheatre is asking you to concede that you were wrong grammatically

[Taco Bell]

124. I don't know what's going on here. But I'm not gonna buy into this

insanity...

I know what is right. What the hell is going on here?

[slinkerwink]

126. why can't you just say that you were grammatically mistaken?

[Tweed]

129. Like I said earlier, I think Taco Bell is drunk or high

[MurikanDemocrat]

109. Pssst Taco Bell. Give it up on this one. She's right.

;-)

[saracat]

69. They're

They're would not be correct as it is the contraction of they are.

[juajen]

75. Boy, you just keep on getting it wrong

They're is a contraction meaning "they are". Does that make sense in this context? Give it up!

[Arugula Latte]

30. wrong, taco bell

"there" indicates location

"their" is the possessive

[Catholic Sensation]

21. FOR GOD'S SAKE

THEY WERE JOKING, WHAT PART OF THAT CONCEPT IS LOST ON YOU? How many posts in this thread from people who actually watched the exchange and read the "laughter" part of the transcript telling you they were joking around will it take for this to be completely clear to you?

[coloradodem2005]

9. If it is true...

...I may start pulling for Edwards to stop Kerry. Renewable energy cannot just be rhetoric, it needs to be reality. I did hear Kerry talking about inventing solutions. This Oil drilling and dependence needs to stop.

[WiseMen]

16. Kerry is the ONLY Candidate who flatly refused to do DEALS to get Union

support. Stop this B.S. It's worse than the RW folk doing it.

[oasis]

18. I believe Matthews and Hoffa were having a lighthearted moment. They were

needling each other and joking at the end of the interview. I saw the segment and that's my take on it.

[slinkerwink]

23. well, it's dangerous to do jokes like that

especially when the media can quickly turn on you.

[JI7]

27. "dangerious to do jokes like that" ?

[oasis]

33. Kerry doesn't put up with any nonsense. They would act differently

if he was present.

[Democat]

19. Never enough Kerry bashing for some

I heard he shot JR?

[La_Serpiente]

24. This is crap

Kerry voted against Gale Norton as Interior Secretary, the Uber-Libertarian.

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Energy_+_Oil.htm

ANWR won't provide any oil for 20 years

Q: On one hand you say there is a national security need to reduce dependence imported oil, while on the other hand you oppose drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska?

KERRY: The Arctic Wildlife Refuge won't provide a drop of oil for 20 years. And the total amount of oil, if it were to come through at the level that some people in the oil industry predict, will amount to about a 1% to 2% reduction in the total dependency of the United States on oil.

The League of Conservation Voters and Robert F. Kennedy didn't endorse him for polluting the environment. They endorsed him because he has a *stellar* record when it comes to environmental issues. The guy even voted against allowing nuclear chemicals in Nevada!!!

[slinkerwink]

31. then why did Hoffa say this? Even if it was in a joking way......

it's wrong to do so in this political climate. What if Kerry was joking about being against abortion? That would be totally inappropriate to do, and would alienate a lot of Democrats.

[Democat]

35. Kerry isn't allowed to joke, but if he doesn't joke, he's not loose enough

Can't win with some people.

[Tweed]

38. Well he wasn't joking about abortion was he?

They were joking because it is so absurd to suggest that Kerry would support such things.

[MurikanDemocrat]

40. To trick liberals looking for dirt on Kerry

[JI7]

41. "Even if it was in a joking way "

"Even if it was in a joking wayit's wrong to do so in this political climate"


?

[slinkerwink]

47. because what it does is create more confusion

among Democrats.

[JI7]

54. no confusion for me or anyone who watched it

even reading the transcript and seeing them laugh after hoffa says that shows he was joking. but some people see what they want to see and even if it was a mistake on their part they would rather not admit to it but rather say people should not joke.

[La_Serpiente]

45. what if this, what if that?

what if? :shrug:

[Catholic Sensation]

32. HEY! don't bring evidence not supporting this ludicrous accusation

into the discussion, it would raise the level of intelligence in this thread

[La_Serpiente]

36. LOL

that made my night :thumbsup:

[Tweed]

44. Classic! Thank you neo! n/t

[WiseMen]

25. This is more disgusting than Drudge slime. Why all this destructive

stuff goes on and on and on.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. PLEASE READ THIS, SLINKER

Kerry does NOT need to clear up any joking statement by James Hoffa that was pure sarcasm given Kerry's prior positions.
The only thing that needs to be cleared up is one's own incorrect (be it deliberate or accidental) interpretation of what they are reading. Otherwise, this thread is nothing more than intentional dishonest propaganda profiting off of nothing other than the faulty reading abilities of others.

[slinkerwink]

49. no, it's not faulty reading abilities of others, but remember how

Grossman released his comments, which hurt Dean's votes in WI? We need to be careful about what second parties presume our candidates' positions to be.

[MurikanDemocrat]

58. So, are you saying you support promoting this now that you know

your original premise to be false and misleading?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

62. What does one have to do with the other?

I think you need to be careful about reading what is actually in front of you. Otherwise, one day the sign says "STOP", you see "GO" and bad things will happen.

Posting something stated in jest and doing this is really unacceptable.

I'm sorry Dean bowed out. Thus far, I have been pretty sympathetic. Posts like this, deliberate in thier patently dishonest intent make me want to pour grain alcohol in the wound except to do so, I'd be being hurtful to others who would not dream of pulling such a stunt.

Kerry's position on the environment is FAR clearer and MORE well documented than your candidate's was.

[Tweed]

52. Sounds like Slinkerwink has no sense of humor?

Sorry Slinker, you are a class act most of the time, I just think you missed the point on this one. It helps if you saw the clip.

[slinkerwink]

56. remember, we've had clips where candidates were joking or their

spokesmen were joking, and all of a sudden, their jokes are printed as "truth" in newspaper articles. This is no time to be making political jokes about issues that are dear and close to hearts of Democrats like ANWR.

[ibegurpard]

Not to mention that

rightly or wrongly, there are a lot of people who see Kerry as willing to take any position necessary to position himself. This kind of stuff feeds into that perception. Not wise to joke about that on a news show when the transcript can be posted without the context of facial expressions, sound, and body language to make the situation clear.

[Tweed]

66. Well then it was a mistake on Hoffa's part. I'm sure no media will pick

this up. Just like Hoffa doesn't control Kerry, Kerry doesn't control Hoffa.

[wtf]

61. to clear things up..

They were laughing because (whether Hoffa was being sarcastic or not) it was implied that Kerry was basically telling Hoffa everything and anything he wanted to hear to gain support.

Whether Hoffa was being sarcastic or not I think is a little more subjective.

[slinkerwink]

65. exactly....and that's why I would make sure that anyone that

supports my candidate KNOWS exactly what my candidate support, and would not presume otherwise.

[Democat]

71. You mean the candidate that has his records sealed like Bush?

That's ok, but joking is wrong?

[ibegurpard]

73. As of today, Dean is no longer an issue.

We are now dealing with any possible credibility problems Kerry might have.

[slinkerwink]

86. yes, joking about certain politically sensitive issues

is wrong especially when one is looking like he could be the nominee.

[Tweed]

76. Thank you

I take back an earlier comment. You are indeed always a class act Slinkerwink, you prove it again. :-)

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[Tweed]

99. Look below n\t

[slinkerwink]

105. no, it was "Sounds Like Kerry Supports Drilling in ANWR?"

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

115. Operating off of memory but the original post is on my harddrive

People got posts removed (their own fault) for the game you deliberately played with this article as is witnessed by many many posts by you on this thread.

I'd like to think you didn't realize that might be a consequence and I'd like to think you would never deliberately misinterpret an article then post it in order to bait people into personally attacking you and I would like to think you wouldn't hit alert on them as a means of setting them up.

I'd really like to think that.

I'd like to but your many posts on this thread indicate that you KNEW the interpretation was incorrect and ran with it anyway until forced to edit and save face.

[slinkerwink]

121. no, that post that was removed was because the guy said I

was wrong grammatically when I was not, and etcetera...

[MurikanDemocrat]

130. You've said a couple times several posts were removed. I only see

one. :shrug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

133. OK so what? One...on a thread that was framed as a lie

[slinkerwink]

100. the former title was "Sounds Like Kerry Supports Drilling in ANWR?"

[ibegurpard]

106. Also wrong is

questioning moderation decisions on the open board. Perhaps you'd also like to take this opportunity to make an edit?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

128. The rule is not attacking anyone

I didn't and will live with it if someone thinks I did.

But the implied threat suggesting that I edit is duly noted.

[MurikanDemocrat]

88. Thanks for editing your post, but I agree with nothingshocksmeanymore on

this. Kerry does not need to clear up any joking statement by James Hoffa as sarcasm. Kerry's position on the environment is clear and well documented.

[Moderator]

134. Locking.

Whoa!