During the Iowa Caucuses, both my husband and I

[Skidmore]

caucused for Dean. We both will support the party candidate in November because we are ABB. Last night we were discussing the current choices, and ended up agreeing that if we had to choose now, we would support Kerry. I can't speak for my husband, but I am very suspicous of Edwards. I don't trust him and I can't for the life of you, tell you why I feel this way beyond my gut feelin that once he wins, he'll be looking around and asking "Now, what do I do?". Before Edwards supporters start flaming away, it is my honest reaction to the man. Does anyone else out there feel the same way?

[liberalnurse]

1. Oh, you make me laugh so hard......

I wet my pants........This is transparent.

[Skidmore]

4. Please explain why you are so amused

and what you think is transparent. I'm very much interested in a genuine response to a genuine expression of my own doubts right now.

[liberalnurse]

11. It's a cloak and dagger message.

kerry is scared.

[NNN0LHI]

7. Try Pamper's for adults. They work real good I have heard n/t

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. They're called "Depends"

I'm sure they have been getting good use the past 3 years.

[seventhson]

2. I am more afraid that Kerry will know exactly what to do

and it will be more of the same as what we have now with a slight variation.

[liberalnurse]

10. Exactly.......

[Ediacara]

12. OMG

That's so true about Skull and Bones. We should all be terrified of people who were in a not secret secret-society.

They're like the Stone Cutters! Not only do they control the British Crown, but they ALSO keep the metric system down!

[WillyBrandt]

19. Kerry will keep the Martians under wraps!

[no name no slogan]

27. And keep Atlantis off the maps

Who holds back the electric car?

Who made Steve Gutenburg a star?

I think we know who!

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[gWbush is Mabus]

3. Edwards comes across as very phony to me

Q: What would you do about jobs going overseas.

A: We need to outsource the Bush admin (crowd cheers)
It is not fair for the rich to make money while people are losing their jobs.


no answer whatsoever, no solutions
no straight talk, just telling the people what they want to hear




oh, and he wrote the patriot act...grrrrrrrrrrr

[Meldread]

17. ...and you think Kerry isn't phony?

If I had to pick the most sincere and honest out of the two it would be Edwards without a doubt.

Kerry has done nothing but spin, spin, spin and then spin some more. He can't run on his record. All he can run on is the fact that he was in a war that happened before 1/3 of the likely voters were even born.

[gWbush is Mabus]

20. I do think Kerry is phony and an opportunist

I supported Dean.

[Meldread]

22. Heh. So do I.

But seeing as how Dean has dropped out we now have to choose between these two people. If we had to choose I think it's best to pick Edwards.

First of all historically speaking only a southern Democrat has ever won the Presidency. Second he's closer to us than Kerry is. Third he can win swing voters. Forth he is more charismatic. Fifth mentally put him vs Bush. He is EXTREMELY articulate. Bush is not. He looks better. It would be a massacre of a debate. Then mentally picture a Kerry vs Bush debate. Kerry is more articulate (it's not that hard), but he just doesn't have the same appeal, strong command, and charisma that Edwards has.

[Ninga]

5. I guess I would ask what makes you

suspicious? You didn't say specifically.

Edwards is bright, committed, knowledgeable, the quintessential self-starter and self made man. Which dispels for me your concern of "what do I do next?" if he is elected.

He just doesn't have a long history of public service to examine but it doesn't matter to me.

I do not in any way whatsoever sense or feel that he is disingenuous or not capable.

In many many ways, I prefer him over Kerry.

But I am ABB

[glarius]

6. Edwards smiles too incessantly....seems insincere to me.....nt

nt

[NNN0LHI]

9. Were his clothes alright with you? Was he too stiff too maybe? n/t

[glarius]

15. I guess that's a reference to Gore...whom I found to be an intelligent,

nice person....I guess why I don't like Edwards is that I saw him on CBC interviewed by Evan Soloman and he was rather haughty and cool in his responses...Soloman was asking pertinent, not gotcha questions...I thought Edwards just sloughed him off because he didn't think the interview would be seen by Americans, so he didn't have to be "charming."....Sorry, but that was my impression of him....:)
P.S....I have a keen interest in who will be the American president, as it has a great effect on Canada.

[BruinAlum]

8. I'm a Kerry supporter, but I don't agree with your assessment of Edwards

I think he's due far more credit than you are giving him. He doesn't strike me as someone that would be caught flat-footed at all.

What you just described sounds more like Bush.

[jean]

13. Edwards support of * policy on WMD and the Iraq invasion

is a stance I can't abide.

Also, would he be a guy who could walk into the Oval Office and get things clicking from the get go?

I don't think so.

Someone like Edwards would probably need at least a year to get up and running in the office of the presidency. We can't afford to wait that long for effective leadership.

By the way, you can still support Dean up to the national convention in Boston. Why not send as many progressive delegate as possible?

[Meldread]

16. So did Kerry.

It's a choice between two poisons... at least on this issue.

On one hand you have Kerry who is obviously spinning things as best he can. Who is telling half truths and full lies. Does he still support the IWR invasion? Is he against it now? How do you know? He changes like a chameleon depending on who he's talking to.

On the other hand you have Edwards who, unlike Kerry, has stepped up to take responsibility for his vote. He said 'Yes! I have to bear some form of responsibility of what is happening in Iraq right now.' Kerry couldn't answer the question.

[jean]

25. Edwards is the less palatable of the two poisons

for me. I've got some friends in NC who voted for him (as Sen) and have been sorely disappointed by his performance for the state. They say it appeared he was prepping for the prez race almost immediately and has shown little interest or participation in NC matters.

[Meldread]

14. I get a totally different vibe.

When I see Edwards I see someone who is charismatic, someone who is passionate, someone who cares about people, and someone with a real vision (like Dean in many ways) for the country. I see someone who grew up as a middle-class American, someone who understands the plight of the middle-class and someone who resents (much like Dean -- but less vocal) what the Corporations have done to our country. He is a man who spent his entire life fighting for the little guy -- defending them against the Giant Corporations that wish to take advantage of them. He's made his wealth doing good things, where as Kerry gets the majority of his wealth by marrying into it.

When I look at Kerry I see a man who is extremely manipulative. Someone not worthy of respect. Someone willing to sell out the beliefs of the Democratic Party the moment it isn't popular. I see a man who has no answers, no solutions, and no real vision. I see a man who is only running for President because he feels that it is his "time", that some how he is "owed" the Presidency because of his time spent in the Senate.

I am a firm believer that ones past will shape ones future. When I look at Edwards I see a better America, an America that works for the middle class. An America that stands up to the giant corporations, forces them to pay their taxes, forces them to keep their jobs within America. When I look at Kerry I see more of the same. I don't see a dramatic improvement over the Bush administration. I see an America that continues down the same path where apathy is common place. That is if Kerry is able to get elected at all. We already know that Edwards has broad appeal -- to the many independents as well as the moderate Republicans.

[unfrigginreal]

18. After Kerry's chameleon act over his IWR vote

it's hard to see how Edwards should be less trusted. Just the week before Sadam was caught, Kerry is telling a roomful of sympathetic journalists "if you think that we would be in Iraq had I been President then don't vote for me."

Newsflash: Bogeyman is captured and Kerry speaks again

"I think if we had more troops involved, more countries involved, we might have less people lost and we might have done it sooner"

Kerry's stands are all dependent on what's best for his candidacy. This is not a guy whose positions evolve as the facts change, unless you're talking about poll numbers.

[flpoljunkie]

23. John Edward's Anti-Environmental Record in the Senate

Link: http://www.pirg.org for further information on these votes. PIRG rates Congress on environmental, consumer and good government issues. Edward's lifetime rating is 74% . John Kerry's lifetime PIRG rating is 94%.

2000

~Voted against increased funding for renewable energy

2001

~Voted to continue dumping mountain top removal waste into rivers and streams

2002

~Voted against increased renewables for energy use
~Voted against increased CAFE standards
~Voted to weaken the Safe Water Drinking Act by expanding oil/gas drilling using hydraulic fracturing
~Voted to continue factory farm subsidies, i.e. hog farms

2003

~Voted against keeping polluters responsible for pollution
~Voted to send waste to Yucca Mountain

[seaglass]

24. I am a Kerry supporter but I don't get the feeling about

Edwards that you do. But then again I'm trying to base my vote on facts and not feelings. I think Edwards is personable and I like to start with the base assumption that a person is to be trusted until they prove they are not worthy of that trust. I don't start with suspicions about a candidate's intent nor the expectation that any of the candidates is perfect.

It might be worth your while to look at the issues you care about and the position the candidate has taken. Then look at what the candidate has said (pre-campaign) and done that can support your belief that this person will support your issue - understanding obviously that Congress has a role to play.

So, for instance - I believe that John Kerry will roll back the damage Bush's environmental policies have wrought. I base this decision on Kerry's actions - filibustering of ANWR drilling, fight to change CAFE standards and many other votes that have supported the environment.

http://capwiz.com/lcv/bio/keyvotes/?id=298&congress=1081&lvl=C

While the average voter who has not paid attention, may base their decision on superficial factors, I think it's important for all those who are involved now to base their decision on the issues.

None of us can predict who will win, we can only guess.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. My PERSONAL opinion

just like YOUR PERSONAL opinion that you were flamed for....is.... I don't trust him. Just the fact that the man STILL believes that illegally and pre-emptively attacking Iraq was the right thing to do, is VERY frightening to me. He NOW knows the Bush cabal LIED about everything. No WMD. No mobile biological labs. No stockpiles of anthrax. No yellowcake from Niger. ALL lies....already admitted by the Bush cabal and Edwards STILL thinks we were right to kill over 500 American soldiers and 1000's of innocent Iraqi citizens...BASED ON LIES? Damn. That just blows my mind. It tells ME that John Edwards will attack ANY country if he thinks the leader is "bad"....no, I don't trust anything about John Edwards. He comes across as a fake to me. I also just learned that he supports the Death Penalty. No, Edwards will never get my vote and I will make sure everyone I know knows the truth about Johnny Edwards.

[celticartemis]

28. Well said, in_cog_ni_to

:yourock:

[retyred]

29. It' the Dick Clark/Dorean Gray thing

retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[AP]

30. Answer to "What Now?": Real Solutions.

I'm less clear about what Kerry would do.

Kerry supporters seem to think they'd he just needs to do swom tweeking and tinkering.

I don't think that's going to cut it.

[lojasmo]

31. Kerry = Edwards

No reason to choose one over the other. If anybody can show me substantive policy differences, or differences on their recent votes, I'd love to hear it. I'm caucusing for Dean, or Kucinich.

I don't trust Kerry OR Edwards.