Clark supporters: What will you do if JFK doesn't pick Gen. Clark for VP?

[Cuban_Liberal]

I see a great deal of enthusiasm for Sen. Kerry from a fairly significant number of Clark supporters that seems predicated on the assumption that he is likely to choose Gen. Clark as his VP. My question is this:

What will you do if he doesn't?

[Carni]

1. I'll suck it up

And hope bush loses the election.

Seriously.

[mmonk]

2. vote for Kerry

unless Edwards has designs on making Clark VP. Then I would think about it more.

[Dookus]

3. say "shit"

and get on with life.

What do you expect us to do? This is politics, and I've been following it for 30 years. Almost NEVER do things turn out the way I want them to. Ya move ahead to the next thing, which is the November election.

[Maddy McCall]

13. ...the primary objective of which is dethroning Bush.

I'm with ya, Dookus.

[SW FL Dem]

I agree with Dookus

I still don't know who I am voting for on March 9. I'll wait and see what happens Super Tuesday.

[Ilsa]

4. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. n/t

[bobbieinok]

5. Good Grief !!!! Vote for the democratic ticket - kick out W

...

[madmax]

6. I will vote for Kerry regardless

He was my first choice before Clark entered the race. Originally I was Kerry/Edwards.

Now:
# 1 Kerry/Clark
# 2 Kerry/Edwards

On edit - ABB.

[West Coast Democrat]

7. What will I do in terms of what?

Pout for days on end and complain on and on about it at DU, or seriously?

[Maddy McCall]

10. Not I. You?

I can't picture you pouting and whining. :-)

[West Coast Democrat]

17. There's far too much to be upbeat about right now!

I'm feeling optimistic.

[Maddy McCall]

23. Me too!

[Dookus]

21. exactly

we won't pretend that Clark is still on the ticket.

we won't threaten to withhold our votes because our guy didn't make it.

we won't go crazy and attack whoever DOES get the nod out of spite.

we won't threaten to start a third party.

we won't blame the media for everything that happens.

we won't make lame accusations of voter fraud.

In other words, we won't act like a lot of supporters of another candidate.

[Maddy McCall]

28. Nope, we won't.

Because our afilliation is to our party and not to some subparty support of a single candidate.

We are DEMOCRATS and our first objective is to boot those bush bastards out.

[maddezmom]

32. perfectly said :) n/t

[West Coast Democrat]

38. Yep...your last line was what I was hinting at also

We Clark supporters are adults.

[Adelante]

46. GO DOOKUS!!

I take the pledge. :)

[retyred]

50. I couldn't agree more

I don't expect anything from Kerry for Clark's endorsement, Clark is bigger than VP and were he to be chosen then it would be up to him to decide whether or not to accept and I would then agree with his choice, as well as I would Kerry's choice when he decides.

I doubt very much Clark's decision to back Kerry was made with strings attached and Kerry is within his right to choose whoever he feels adds to the ticket.

Till then "GO KERRY"......"GO CLARK"



retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[BootinUp]

52. I'm down

Wid Dat!

[Carolina]

22. same here

then I'll put a clothes pin on my nose and vote for the ticket, cussing the whole time.

[Maddy McCall]

8. Continue to support Kerry.

I am wholeheartedly behind Kerry now. Clark being VP would just be delicious icing on the cake.

Above all, I am supporting my party in the national elections, to do as the Magistrate says, "Kick those Bush Bastards OUT!" Anyone who does anything less isn't a Democrat.

[Turkw]

9. I'm not that big on him being in the administration, I'd like to see him

head a Democratic organization that will try to make some changes in the party. On edit, I'm ABB Democratic nominee in the GE, till then I'm votin Clark

[LouisFC]

55. Ditto n/t

[meti57b]

11. If Kerry is the Democratic nominee, I'll vote for him regardless of .....

whom he chooses for VP.

[Lefta Dissenter]

12. I don't think anyone is assuming anything.

In fact, I guess I fear that the odds are small - but I can hold out hope. I think that the Kerry camp may just go ahead and let people run with the speculation, just as what happened after Gep dropped out and endorsed (though it wasn't quite as hot and heavy), because it doesn't hurt the turnout for their camp.

I'm a realist. I will vote for the Dem nominee, whoever it is. I will hope that that person is smart enough to include in his administration one of the brightest, most patriotic, most principled men our country has seen for a long time.

But it's ABB all the way for me.

[maddezmom]

14. Vote, contribute and work for Kerry

and if he doesn't get the nod, the nominee. :)

[knight_of_the_star]

15. Vote for the nominee

And pray.

[RobinA]

16. Kerry

Kerry was my first choice and Clark was my second. I would love it if Kerry picked Clark, but I have no reason the think he will. Despite much pre-choice discussion about who the VP will be, it almost always turns out to be somebody nobody really thought of. I expect this will be the case this time around.

I don't go for these "If my guy doesn't win the nom/get picked for VP I won't vote or I'll vote for the local no-anme." I pick who I like and hope for the best. If he doesn't get the nom, and he usually doesn't in the real world, I vote for who I like the best in the GE. I don't get all these tantrums and foot-stomping from supporters of the losers. "You Can't Always Get What You Want," said the jester to the thief.

[RafterMan]

18. Vote Kerry

I'm ABE in the general election

[jmaier]

19. I'll support Kerry (or the nominee)

since the mission is to oust Bush. Frankly, I do not expect Kerry to choose Wes Clark as his VP. I'm sure that Wes will get some cabinet consideration should Kerry win but this isn't a factor in my decisions.

[Maddy McCall]

20. What "seems" to be to you isn't what really is.

I don't know any DU Clark supporters whose support of Kerry hinges on Clark being his VP.

I think Clark's supporters are not that fickle and that consumed by personality to support a presidential candidate only because the person they support and formerly supported is considered for the VP slot. I would wager that most of us who now support Kerry are realists who are thrilled about Clark endorsing Kerry, but we didn't mindlessly become supporters of Kerry only because our "fearless leader" told us to. We looked at issues first.

And I am speaking for myself and the Clark-turned-Kerry supporters I know, and not presumptuous enough to speak for all Clark supporters. We all have intellects we will use to make the decision--won't let our former candidate order us what to do.

[sidwill]

25. Yo

I would still crawl across a minefield littered with excrement encrusted broken glass, naked, with my hair on fire to vote ABB.

[Maddy McCall]

30. LOL!!! I would too!

You are too funny!

[boxster]

24. You're not going to find many Clark supporters that won't vote for the

nominee in November, if that's what you're getting at.

It seems as though most of them are pretty adamant about getting rid of Bush no matter what, including me.

[knight_of_the_star]

73. True

And even if Wes isn't the VP (PLEASE DON'T LET IT BE SO!!!) I will still be doing what I can to put Bush's toes over the fire here in San Diego County.

[BootinUp]

26. I might try my

Sam Kinnison impression:

AHHHHH! AHHHHH! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[MrSlayer]

27. Vote for Kerry and hope for SoS.

Clark has to be in there somewhere.

[jpgpenn]

29. Ide like to see Clark as ..

VP, or Sec. of State. I really can't see Kerry over looking the vast experience Clark offers the country in either position. If it would come to pass Clark wasn't offered either, so be it, as long as we get that jerkoff outa our White House and save our country!

Remember thou, it's America's loss with no Clark to represent us!

[BringEmOn]

31. Assuming it's Kerry (not JFK)

Please, Kerry couldn't hold John F.Kennedy's jock strap. He will pick an insider. I'm hoping for a miracle at the convention. If it's Kerry, I'll hold my nose and vote Boner 2 in November.

[Maddy McCall]

33. CLARK FOLKS: THIS THREAD PROVES WHY I AM SOOO PROUD TO BE

ONE OF YOU!!!!!

:toast: to us!!

[maddezmom]

34. back at ya jchild

:toast: and to all the other Clark supporters, no matter who you have decided to support. :toast:

[Maddy McCall]

36. Yes...to all of us!

[DemCam]

45. Don't think

Wes will be picked for anything. I'm supporting Kerry now, but if Edwards inexplicably pulls it out...well, then...I'm right there supporting him.

We have no choice here...if we want Bush out. Stating the most mind-boggling obvious.

[Adelante]

47. To us!!

:toast:

Like we'd ever not go get those Bush bastards. :eyes:

[Skwmom]

35. Watch as the

Dems lose to Bush in November.

[metisnation]

37. petition

JK to make General Clark Part of the cabinet. I would much rather Have The General then Colin Powell. Dr. Dean could be Secretary of State and Al Shaprton Department of Homeland Security. People will argue with this about me, but there are people in society that won't even walk in a black neighborhood...sad to say, Under the Rev. The Departmenent of Homeland Security will be transformed into the Deprartment of Job Security. Dennis Kucinich would be our Department of Labor....etc etc..attorney general Carol Mosley Braun!

[Toucano]

39. Vote for the nominee.

No doubt, Kerry isn't my first choice. Neither is Edwards. I can proudly support either one in the general election, regardless of the VP nominee.

I don't really see Clark being chosen anyway. Primary 2K4 has given me lowered expectations.

[LoisC]

40. Support Kerry without much passion!

I doubt myself that Kerry will choose Clark although I would
really work hard for that ticket. I just get the feeling that
Kerry would choose an "insider"..in any case, if I
am wrong, I would really get behind Kerry with money and work
hard for his campaign.

[Maddy McCall]

41. Welcome to DU, LoisC

:toast: Welcome!

[w4rma]

42. If he isn't, I'm nearly positive that he'll be in the cabinet. (n/t)

[JPJones]

43. Vote for the SOMW

Just kidding. Vote for Kerry.

[democratreformed]

44. Do my part to send * back to Texas!

By voting for the Democratic nominee of course.

[incapsulated]

48. Celebrate!

I'm on record as being against this idea. If Kerry wins, I want Sec. of State Clark. :)

[Piperay]

49. Support Kerry

anyway with everything I've got to get the chimp out of office. If Edwards should get the nomination I will support him just as much.

[Tweed]

51. Say "Oh well, Kerry is still the best" n\t

[tishaLA]

53. Support Sen. Kerry

and stop answering silly questons that pretend I am only a democrat as long as Clark is part of the ticket.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

54. I'll kill myself.

IMMEDIATELY. Yes, really.

No, not really.

[absyntheNsugar]

56. Vote for him anyway

I'm coming around to the Kerry Kamp

[Dr Fate]

57. Vote DEM from Dog-Catcher to POTUS, that's what.

Unless they exhume Hitler for VP...

[carpetbagger]

58. Vote for Kerry.

No-brainer.

[bravejet69]

59. He has to pick one before we vote in the GE.........

and if he doesn't pick Clark wonder who the Clark Democrats will vote for??????

[rocketdem]

60. I respect Gen. Clark a great deal

But he is not, in my opinion, the best choice for VP for Kerry. JFK already has the whole military angle covered relative to Chimpy. He does need, however, a geographical pick and a pick who could plausibly fulfill a subordinate yet effective administrative/bureaucratic role. Thus, I'd recommend someone who has some experience in elected office.

But regardless of whether Kerry is or is not the nominee and no matter who gets the VP slot, I will be voting for the Dem ticket, period. This is, after all, Democratic Underground, right?

[Jai4WKC08]

65. Not really

Kerry does not have the whole "military angle" down.

Yes, he's a decorated war hero. But he's already taking heat on his activities after the war (and no, not just that he protested--specific extreme statements he made). He also has a lousy record of supporting pro-military legislation. Now, you may feel his votes were justified, but a lot of moderates won't. Nor has Kerry ever sponsored any veterans legislation. He also has no executive experience on defense or foreign affairs issues--sitting on committees in Congress is not the same thing.

Wes Clark as VP could counter the arguments that WILL be made that Kerry has an anti-military Congressional record.

As VP he could serve as one hell of an emissary to special peace overtures in regions like Israel/Palestine. Remember, the Bosnia Peace Accords were to settle long-standing conflict between Muslim and non-Muslim populations, and Clark is VERY popular with Kosavar and other Muslim Americans, but has credibility with the Jewish community as well.

Finally, if Kerry was serious about Clark "walking point" (and I realize that was probably just rhetoric), no one's gonna listen to him unless he's in a position where they have to. I think Clark is pretty effective at taking Bush apart piece by piece. Be a shame to waste that capability.

That said, I don't expect him to pick Clark for VP. I just happen to think he should.

But sure, I'll vote for whoever the nominee turns out to be. What other choice is there? I'd work like hell if Clark were VP, but I'll mostly just be voting against Bush if he isn't.

[xultar]

61. Exactly what I have been doing nothing nt

[Claire Beth]

62. I supported Clark in the primary BUT

I will give my 100 percent support to the democratic nominee no matter WHO is on the ticket as VEEP. I don't expect Wes Clark to be the veep, though I would be fine with it. My guess is the veep will go to John Edwards or even Bob Graham out of Florida. Clark would make a wonderful Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or even Nat'l Security Advisor. General Clark has asked all of his supporters to support John Kerry and that is what I plan to do. We have all got to stay together and secure the nomination of the democratic nominee whoever it is. A vote for anyone other than John Kerry (assuming) is a vote FOR Bush and we do NOT want another 4 years of this administration.

[Adelante]

71. Well said, Claire_beth

:hi:

[Leilani]

63. I will vote for the nominee

whether it is Kerry or Edwards.

Not that I'll be thrilled, but we must get rid of Bush.

[mikehiggins]

64. Still ABB no matter who runs eom

[arwalden]

66. I'll Anxiously Wait To See Whom He Does Pick...

either that or ask one of the astrologers in the Meeting Room to let me know in advance who it will be.

-- Allen

[King of New Orleans]

67. Could the administor please

lock or move this love-fest. It clearly doesn't belong in GD2004. :)

[Adelante]

72. Made me laugh

:D

[mgmartin]

68. Sorry

Can't vote for Edwards the Hugh Shelton friendship still erks me. If Kerry picks him as VP I will not vote. I hope Clark stays out and becomes a watchdog for the hypocrisy of the DNC.

[HuskerDem]

69. Mourn yet another lost opportunity, I probably would be less likely to

actively work for the ticket. I would probably contribute less.

I regard Edwards as our Dan Quayle, albeit a slightly improved model. Edwards is obviously more intelligent, but less than one term in the senate hardly leaves him qualified to be second in line IMO.

On edit: If Edwards is the nominee I will vote for him in a HEARTBEAT against bush.............


ABB!

[WillyBrandt]

70. Pout, then continue supporting Kerry

Of course!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

74. I'll do as the General does and support the Democratic nominee.

I'm not one of these crybabies who wants to let Bush & Co. win because my choice didn't get the nomination.

[Crunchy Frog]

75. I'm not at all enthusiastic about

Senator Kerry, nor am I about Senator Edwards. For a variety of reasons, I think that Clark would be the best VP pick for Kerry to make, but I am not at all confident in his ability to make a sensible VP choice, and don't really expect him to pick Clark.

If he does choose Clark I will support him with a great deal of enthusiasm. If he doesn't, I will still actively support him, but not with much enthusiasm, although I will do my best to fake it, as I will with Edwards if he is the nominee.

I am ABB in the end, and will support whichever Democrat gets the nomination. However, with what we have now, my vote will be more against Bush than for the Democrat. It will also be without a whole lot of confidence in the ability of the Democrat to defeat Bush.

If Bush is defeated however, I will be overjoyed and my estimation of the Democrat will go way up. This is completely independent of any role that Gen. Clark plays. In the end, getting rid of Bush is more important to me than Clark is, although I will always believe that he would have made the best President.

[John_H]

76. I'll say, "Kerry, you dope," And then work hard to help him win.

[AnnitaR]

77. They're still trying to put labels on us Clark supporters!

Cracks me up that we are always under scrutiny. I was just on another thread were someone with 1000+ posts said "proves my point Clark supporters just don't get it".

I come to this thread and the purpose of this thread is: The only reason Clark supporters support Kerry is because they think Kerry will pick Clark as VP!

Can we PLEASE get some respect here folks! I would say that very few Clarkies support Kerry ONLY in hopes of Clark being VP.

I support Kerry because once Clark was out, Kerry is the most qualified for the job.

I get so tired of people here constantly questioning the intelligence and intent of Clark supporters! We are not sheep! We are wise and we think for ourselves!

[incapsulated]

79. It's true

There is a bit of truth to some of the Clarkies going to Kerry for the VP slot, but really, most of them who support him do so for the same reasons Clark does. Clark himself said that the main reason he accepted the draft was because Kerry was doing so badly.

As for myself, I was for Kerry until Clark decided to run.

[I_like_chicken]

78. Clark for Sec. of State or Defense

I think Clark would be better suited to be Sec. of State or Def. , I think Edwards would be a better running mate

[King of New Orleans]

81. Sec of State or NSA

he can't be Sec of Defense.

Personally, I think he'd make the best VP.

[Lefta Dissenter]

80. Considering the endless accusations

that Clark was really a republican, it's quite impressive that his supporters are not the ones who are declaring that they're going to take their votes to another party since their candidate didn't win the nomination. All I'm seeing from these Clark supporters is a commitment to the Democratic Party!

I've already said it a few times today... but I love my fellow Clarkies!!! :pals:

[maddezmom]

84. great point

love ya, too!! :pals:

[Nicholas_J]

82. Clark

Would be wasted as VP. There aresimply better cabinet positions in which his vast skills on the diplomatic front would be better utilized. You dont get to be Nato commander without being an excellent diplomat and you certainly do not get thrown into a mess like the Balkans were and make the progress that Clark did without being a great statesman. VP's rarely serve in that capacity. They usually disappear into the background and no one notices their existance for the entire term they serve, unless there is some scandal attached to them, or they are make a good target to make fun of (Gerald Ford , Spiro Agnew, and Dan Quayle come to mind). Not much was seem of Al Gore for his entire time as VP, and Clark himself had more press than Gore did during the 90's.

[TacticalPeek]

83. Vote Dem in Novem . . . ber.

Clark entered the race on a mission to save our country from ruination and degradation at the bloody hands of Bush and his partners in crime.

The mission remains.

The only vote with any power to accomplish this is a vote for the Democratic candidates in the GE. Any other action gives more power to these wicked people.

Electoral politics is seldom beautiful.

[RandomUser]

85. I don't particularly want Clark as VP.

I wanted him as President. Now that he's dropped out, I'd prefer for him to stay off the ticket. If the Dem nominee, whoever he ends up being, wins in November, Clark can be Secretary of State. If the Dems lose, Clark can run in 2008, or run for Arkansas Gov. in 2006.

I want Clark's voice to be heard in the party. And VP isn't a very powerful position, and historically has a bad record of becoming Pres later on. Secretary of State, or taking back the Governor's Mansion in Arkansas, would make better use of his talents.