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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:04 PM
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Edward's proposal for neighborhood groups
http://www.johnedwards2004.com/media/real-solutions-for-america.pdf

Page 24.

Does anyone know the details of this? Is this like the TIPS program?
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:25 PM
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1. Report suspected potential terrorists in your neighborhood

When you go over to borrow a cup of sugar, watch out for almanacs and books or posters in foreign languages.

Keep your nose peeled for smells of unusual or anti-American spices.

Note the source of dangerous foreign-sounding music so authorities can root out the perpetrators and detain them indefinitely thanks to Edwards' proud achievement, the Patriot Act.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:39 PM
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2. Did you see the "Improved Emergency Warnings"
Sounds like more fear mongering from the republicans frankly. I just don't think this is the solution to men with box cutters.

snip...

The color-coded warning system is often more confusing
than helpful and does not reach all Americans in the event of
a nighttime attack. Senator Edwards Emergency Warning
Act requires the provision of better, faster and more practical
information using all available technologies, including
traditional telephones, cell phones, and pagers.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:45 PM
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3. I bet he'll use different colors, too

Upscale, designer colors that will resonate with his base of capital gains earners, you know, the poor.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:56 PM
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4. I'm being serious
(Not saying you don't take it that way)

zooming in more:

"...and does not reach all Americans in the event of
a nighttime attack."

A terrorist attack warning should never have to reach all Americans. Just those in the area that is about to be attacked.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:03 PM
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5. I'll tell you how seriously I take it

I have an actual offline bet on which one of them will be the first to call for "pre-emptive protective custody" for certain "high-risk" groups. Sounds so much better than internment, don't you think? And doesn't have all that baggage.

Suggested google: wallace 1958 alabama

Neither of the status-quo candidates can afford to let the other "out-terrorist" him.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:05 PM
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6. who was/is your candidate
I am going to guess Kucinich?
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:27 PM
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9. Nope

I do not support any of the candidates
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:37 PM
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10. a comment
I find it hard to hang out here and discuss politics now that my guy is out. So I salute you for your efforts to stay involved/informed when you don't have a major candidate you agree with.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:15 PM
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12. Why not?
n/t
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:55 PM
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16. It's too late and the crisis is beyond the point of baby steps

And even the candidates who deviate at all from the status quo propose putting a band-aid on a putrefying sucking chest wound.
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Edwards4President Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:07 PM
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7. You're misreading his proposal
The Emergency Warning Act is not designed to protect us from the guys with the boxcutters. It is a recognition that, in the event of various kinds of disasters, including attacks, our existing emergency warning system - consisting of a siren and a television test pattern - is woefully inadequate. Edwards' plan helps us use our advancing technologies as part of the warning system. This isn't about frightening people. It's a simple and logical measure.

Moreover, his Neighborhood Security Act isn't a TIPS program or anything close. Edwards recognizes that with all of his big talk, Bush has not asked or encouraged citizens to sacrifice or participate in homeland security, choosing inteade to tell us - don't worry, we'll protect you. Just turn over all of your rights and liberties, and we'll handle everything.

The Neighborhood Security Act provides a way for neighborhoods to work together to increase security - it does NOT mean informing on friends and neighbors:

NEIGHBORHOOD SECURITY ACT
PROPOSED BY SENATOR EDWARDS

February 6, 2003

WASHINGTONSenator John Edwards on Thursday introduced legislation to help people in neighborhoods across America contribute to homeland security.

Building on the success of the national neighborhood watch program, the legislation is designed to get people involved and improve communications between the volunteer safety organizations and local, state and federal officials responsible for homeland security.

"In the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks, I have heard from people from all walks of life who want to join the homeland security effort, Senator Edwards said. "So many Americans want to contribute, but they feel like they haven't been asked. We should ask."

The Neighborhood Security Act of 2003 would provide resources to help existing Neighborhood Watch groups, which the National Sheriffs' Association created in 1972 with help from the federal Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. Together with community policing and better crime fighting technology, neighborhood watches have been credited with helping the bring down crime rates in the 1990s.

The bill would encourage the creation of 50,000 new volunteer groups by 2007, more than triple the 15,000 units that exist now. The measure also would improve methods for distributing information about homeland security, and help educate citizens on how to prevent potential terrorist attacks and respond if another attack occurs.

The legislation was drafted in consultation with law enforcement and veterans organizations.

It would fund efforts by those groups to work with federal agencies and local law enforcement to establish voluntary guidelines for the watch groups, such as what to do in the event of an attack with weapons of mass destruction.

The idea for better coordination with local volunteer efforts was first mentioned to Senator Edwards by leaders of the Pinehurst Neighborhood Watch, in Moore County, N.C., where the senator was raised.

The Neighborhood Security Act is the fifth homeland security bill that Senator Edwards has introduced in the five weeks the Senate has been in session this year. The others would improve emergency warning systems, make government computer systems less vulnerable to attack, strengthen potential terrorist targets, and give first responders access to counter-terrorism intelligence. Senator Edwards on December 18 laid out these and other reform proposals in a homeland security speech at the Brookings Institution.

http://edwards.senate.gov/~edwards/press/2003/0206-pr.html
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:16 PM
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8. I think it is pandering to the fears that Bush has been driving
The way to stop terrorist attacks and WMD attacks is not this way. If our first responder systems are inadequate then pump some money into them. I don't have a problem with that. But this is the kind of detail that has been assembled for the reason in my post title.

Frankly the idea that every cell phone in America is going to ring with a terror warning is preposterous anyways. The networks would never handle it. And whats wrong with sirens?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:10 PM
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11. I agree Jim
Here in Hawaii, we always have the threat of tsunami, or tidal waves.
There are sirens all over, & everyone knows what to do in event of a warning. There are maps of flood zones in every phone book.

I'm sure other places have tornado warnings.

Also, TV & Radio provide info for local residents.

I have NOAA bookmarked on my computer, in case of earthquakes, which can lead to warnings.

Also, there is a national warning broadcast system, which is tested every month.

Seems to me there are enough systems in place locally everywhere to be used in case of emergency.

And I don't like the thought of anyone snooping around, looking for trouble; smacks of nazis or facists.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:18 PM
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13. Leilani, when have we disagreed?
that is the question :)
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:32 PM
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14. Jim, never, according to my memory
but when it happens, that will be OK, too.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:39 PM
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15. You one upped me!
doggone it!

:toast:
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