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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:06 PM
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Obama has admitted it was mistake to miss the K/L vote. Has Hillary admitted her mistakes?
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 09:26 PM by Dawgs
The answer is no.

Hillary hasn't admitted any mistakes for the IWR or K/L votes.

Obama has admitted it was a mistake to miss the K/L vote in a debate a few months back, and Edwards has admitted that his vote for the Iraq war was a mistake.

I'll go with Obama and Edwards over someone that can't admit voting for something that has killed thousands of innocent children.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:12 PM
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1. Why Should She? She Hasn't *Made* Any Mistakes!
Mistakes are for little people.

Hillary is the all-knowing, all-seeing, the all-triangulating.

OM.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:14 AM
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38. haha. nt
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:20 PM
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2. All that does is make everyone look bad here who said it wasn't a mistake that he missed the vote
Half his supporters came out yesterday and said how it was better to miss the vote and be right. Well I guess Obama doesn't agree with any of them. lol
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:37 PM
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13. LOL!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:20 PM
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3. You guys are ridiculous.
Question #1 - what is this thread suppose to prove besides another countless Hillary bashing thread

Question #2 - what idiot already recommended this useless thread?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:29 PM
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This thread asks a legitimate question that bothers many a liberal Democrat
The countless Obama bashing threads seem useless to me. But then again, I'm a liberal netroots citiizen who's
disgusted by Hillary's neocon warmongering IWR and Kyl-Lieberman votes.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:38 PM
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14. Yes, dear. And we're happy for you.
I'm sure you'll get just the America you want.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:26 AM
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40. As always, you don't bother with facts.
Hillary said she made mistakes when she advocated for health care in '93. Here are a few more times she admitted mistakes:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's slow-motion repudiation of one of her husband's signature achievements, culminating in her statement last week that NAFTA had been a "mistake," signals both the changing political environment and a different style of Clinton campaign. Forget the Third Way. Maybe the First and Second Ways weren't so bad after all.

This was not the first time Hillary Clinton has distanced herself from Bill Clinton's policies or governance philosophy. She has vowed to scrap the "don't ask, don't tell" rules her husband put in place allowing gays to serve in the military but only if they do not admit to being gay. She has called for repealing part of the Defense of Marriage Act, which tried to limit the spread of same-sex marriage and which her husband signed, albeit reluctantly.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/20/post_204.html
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:21 PM
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4. Obama supporters keep claiming it wasn't a mistake
Maybe someone should send out a memo
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:25 PM
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6. Obama supporters know the whole story -- Obama knows, but he was being diplomatic
Speaking of memos, got anymore on Kindergate?


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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:43 PM
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16. So Obama supporters are lying too?
That's some "defense"
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:48 PM
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23. Your Obama bashing non sequitors are as breathtaking as your illogic
There is no defense for that, but I'm quite used to it by now. :smoke:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:24 PM
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5. It wasn't a mistake...he did it on purpose...
More calculated ducking of important votes....

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:28 PM
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7. You got us, yes , he ducked the vote so that no one would be
able to accuse him of being agianst Kyl-Lieberman.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:29 PM
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10. He ducked it until he could see which way the political winds would blow...
Just as he did on the moveon.org vote...and othere...and as he did while a part time legislator in the Illinois State Senate...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:30 PM
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11. And you know this because your crystal ball told you so?
:eyes:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:45 PM
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18. We know because he didn't vote
and then tried to say that it was a pretext for war and his non-vote was a "protest" before he said it was a mistake to miss the vote
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:54 PM
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26. Uh huh, thanks to Rory Reid's dad voting machination... and how did neocon Hillary vote?
Lemme guess... she voted for another Bush war.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:57 PM
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33. Reid forced Obama to not vote as a "protest"? The problem is Obama's constant lying and double talk
He is our Romney.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:42 AM
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39. Obama said he didn't vote as a "protest". Do you think he was lying?
Do you think he was trying to cover up his mistake?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:42 PM
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15. Oh, I agree absolutely. Given his history, I know that Obama really
wanted to vote for a bill that would authorize Bush to call the Iranians terrorists and take steps to stop them. Obama hid out in New Hampshire because he was afraid of all of us peaceniks. Thank heavens Senator CLinton was brave enough to step forward and support this bill.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:44 PM
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17. Ahhh...the old pivot technique...
Of course I reject your characterization of the Kyl-Lieberman vote...

I understand your strategy...I mean Obama has a continuing pattern of ducking the tough issues when he is called to take a stand...


So...in a tried and true DU technique, pivot to...wait for it...make it about Hillary....unique strategy there...

:eyes:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:46 PM
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20. He ducked it, called his non-vote a "protest" against a "pretext for war"
and THEN said "It was a mistake"

Ooopsie!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:47 PM
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22. Didn't he say he had a tummy ache in there somewhere too...
Even though he had been there to vote earlier in the day...and made the debate that night...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:54 PM
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27. It's not about Hillary, it's about the ludicrous charge that somehow
because Obama didn't run back to DC for the vote that no one knows where he stood and where he stands on the issue.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:35 PM
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31. No...
It is the willful denial of his supporters to see that truth...

Not only did Obama not return for the vote when it was well knowit woudl occur...he showed no leadership on the issue at all...made no statement in the floor debate...made no attempt to kill or alter it...made no comment about it in the debate that night...and in fact uttered not a peep until 9 hours after the vote when he decided it would help him politically....

Like I said...a pattern
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:28 PM
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8. i could give a shit about these politically motivated apologies.
I don't much care that he missed the vote, but I'm so tired of the DU meme that apologies wash all mistakes away. not in my book.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:29 PM
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9. Somebody needs to tell that to the Edwards people.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:45 PM
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19. I think they know this....which is why
they are the ones first and foremost to have come up with the meme that saying sorry three years later means all of your sins have been washed away forever more, and in fact, it makes one smarter than most and eligible for the greatest reward of all; leader of the free world!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:46 PM
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21. why bother?
Seriously, they're convinced that his string of apologies has completely absolved of him of the dozens of things he's apologized for.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:37 PM
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32. Thats my biggest issue with Edwards
I dont find him genuine, like many. The thing is, I like what he stands for now, its just I dont like him.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:57 AM
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37. I don't find any politician genuine
and I include both Clintons in that assessment. In fact, I find DU's obsession with personality and character and its quest for a "leader" to be quite funny. For me, looking for a genuine politician is like searching the Emmies for a modest entertainer.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:32 PM
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12. Don't you like to win General Elections? nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:50 PM
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24. The K/L vote has made them both look like idiots.
One for missing it, the other for voting yes. Both suck.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:11 PM
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34. Yep
And all of them, Clinton, Obama, Biden, and Dodd, along with McCain, didn't bother to vote on the "Peru" free trade agreement, now I wonder why that was? :eyes:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:22 AM
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36. None of them are perfect.
I can find things about all of them I don't like, but watching the Obama and Clinton camps argue over which one's vote/non-vote was better is just insanely dumb. When I'm being the mature one something is definitely wrong with this picture. :)
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:51 PM
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25. Haha ....Obama makes mistakes!
Hillary doesn't make mistakes. You wait!...History will tell that going to war in Iraq was a good thing!...You all wait!

Your grandchildren will be reading how the great senator of New York helped depose that evil dictator in Iraq who threatened us with those WMDs delivered by diabolical stealthy Balsa wood gliders! and and how she stood up in the face of that Iranian tyrant who was hell-bent on developing nuclear weapons! He almost did too!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:56 PM
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28. Obama's mistake was in attacking her for the
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 09:57 PM by seasonedblue
same legislation he sponsored in March.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:23 PM
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29. Also, if Obama thought the Kyl/Lieberman vote...
was so important, then why didn't he show up?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:25 PM
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30. Exactly,
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:26 PM
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35. He chickened out.
He didn't have the balls to take a stand.
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