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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:48 PM
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Where was Oprah in 2003?
She is now chiding others for not speaking out against the war when it began. Um...where the hell were you, Oprah? What chutzpah...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:50 PM
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1. Where were YOU in 2003?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 04:51 PM by jenmito
Where were Hillary and Edwards in '02? :eyes:
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:50 PM
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2. doing everything i could to oppose the war. unlike the hypocrite oprah...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:52 PM
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5. Where were Hillary and Edwards in '02?
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:53 PM
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8. what do they have to do with oprah's hypocrisy?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:56 PM
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12. They're the hypocrites and they're running for president...
like it or not.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:57 PM
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14. what do they have to do with Oprah and Obama?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:58 PM
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16. You're the hypocrite-supporting a hypocrite and calling someone else a hypocrite.
Give it up. Sour grapes. :rofl:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:50 PM
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3. Do you need a whaaaaambulance? nt
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:51 PM
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4. She did a bunch of anti-war shows before the invasion of Iraq
Try google
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:52 PM
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6. did she speak out on it or just run stories about the war?
I don't recall Her Highness lending her celebrity to the anti-war movement...
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:53 PM
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7. She spoke out against the war
Michael Moore praised her even.

Again, try Google.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:58 PM
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15. It was more important to get Arnold in Sacramento
She is dead to me since then. How can I trust her now?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:10 PM
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27. Maria Shriver is one of her best friends; I imagine that's why she helped. nt
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:27 PM
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37. so oprah has no political principles and fools her fans to do her bidding in the voting booth?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:38 PM
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39. If you're so curious, write her a letter. I'm sure she has political
principles - look who she's supporting! She's also a loyal friend. So sue her.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:46 PM
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43. obama and arnold are the same in your view?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 05:46 PM by Progress And Change
and hence there is nothing inconsistent about oprah supporting both? ;)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:51 PM
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49. Don't you go putting words in my mouth, pal. I never said that. I don't
presume to know why Oprah does what she does or votes the way she votes. Nor do I really care. I'm just happy she has such faith in Obama and am getting there myself, though there are several Dems I'd be happy to see win (and one, not so much ;) )
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MS Liberal Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:54 PM
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9. She was counting her money....
and shopping because she voted for Bush. I am an African American woman and I am still voting for Hillary.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:26 PM
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36. Condi! Is that you?! nt
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:53 PM
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50. How do you know she voted for Bush?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:54 PM
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10. Dating Osama Bin Laden on the side, maybe? Who knows? Who cares?
She ISN'T a politician. Clearly not, if she's saying shit like that.

For whatever reason, be it local Chicago loyalty, the 'blackness' thing, unrequited attraction, or even sincere belief, she's decided to use what she's got, her clout, to support this guy.

It's her choice.

In America, money is speech--the Supremes have said so. Fame, apparently, is speech as well. The playing field is never going to be level. We just have to factor these things in, and decide for ourselves.

Frankly, people who vote for Obama because they just "looooooove" Oprah are fucking idiots. But if she gets a few ga-ga fans into the venue who are there to see HER, and who decide to vote for Obama after hearing him speak, well, she's done her job. And those people have made an informed decision.

The downside of the whole OPRAH!!!!! thing is that she's eclipsing the candidate a bit, it seems. It's a two-edged sword, these celebrity endorsements....
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:57 PM
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13. She is a problem because she is using her celebrity to interfere in a Democratic primary...
The problem is that we have someone who is not even a Democrat playing a huge role in who our nominee is. This is almost as bad as if Chuck Norris was endorsing Obama...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:01 PM
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17. Bwahahahahahaha! "Interfere"? Or helping get people out to look at the next POTUS?
It's GREAT that she's non-partisan. Now she will be able to help him in the general election, too! :hi:
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:04 PM
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18. let's be straight. if obama loses oprah will be nowhere for Dems in the general election...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:05 PM
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19. And? Let's be straight-you're jealous she believes in OBAMA.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:07 PM
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22. she does "believe" in him in the Jim Jones sense. she couldnt cite one policy reason to support him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:09 PM
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25. APIL.
All Politics is Local.

He's homegrown. She's the Queen of Chicago.

It is what it is.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:11 PM
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29. Did she campaign for Alan Keyes?
Did I miss it?
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:12 PM
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31. she supported arnold over gray davis (DEM)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:16 PM
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32. So she DIDN'T campaign for Alan Keyes. Thanks.
She SAID she is non-partisan. Does it make you angry that she believes in Obama enough to campaign for him-the only person she's ever campaigned for? :rofl:
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:17 PM
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33. keyes is from MD and far right. Oprah is a centrist swing voter, at best, and a Giuliani Rep at wors
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:24 PM
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35. Awww. Keep trying to justify your jealousy. You obviously didn't listen to what Oprah said.
:rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:38 PM
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38. Alan Keyes isn't "Local"==One more time, APIL.
They shipped Keyes in from MARYLAND after the GOP candidate imploded when his wife started telling everyone what a cretinous, sexually perverse and cruel bastard he was.

And Keyes ran against...OBAMA. The LOCAL guy. The guy who lives where Oprah lives.

So why would she support the out-of-towner? Your question makes no sense.

A cite, to forestall the disbelieving demands for 'proof:'

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/04/politics/main634113.shtml

Keyes, a Maryland resident who also twice failed in runs for the U.S. Senate in that state, spent much of his speech discussing his deliberations over running in Illinois.

"I will spend a good deal of my time listening to the people of this state," he said. "I might not know the streets yet and the neighborhoods and all the things that go to make up the everyday life of the people.



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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:10 PM
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26. She couldn't? How 'bout she DIDN'T because that's HIS job?
Get over it already! :rofl:
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:10 PM
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28. why is she supporting him? it isn't based on policy since she is no Democrat
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:12 PM
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30. If you listened to her speak you'd KNOW why she's supporting him.
Deal with it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:46 PM
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42. It doesn't matter WHY. I know you think it does, but it doesn't.
She could be supporting him because her best sexual experience was with someone with HUGE ears. She could be supporting him because she lost a bet with someone--OK, Opie, heads, Hillary, tails, Obama...and if the coin lands on its side, you're out there stumping for Gravel...Bwahahahahhaha!!!!!

She could be supporting him because she likes the look of him. She could be supporting him because she likes his policies. She could be supporting him because she secretly wants to "get whitey!"

It. Does. Not. Matter.

In America, you are permitted to support someone for any reason at all, even STUPID reasons, if you'd like. Look at the people who support George Bush. No one told THEM they "couldn't." And by that logic, neither you, me, nor anyone else can tell Obama's supporters that they have to pass some sort of litmus test to be "allowed" to support him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:08 PM
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23. And she should be--because if he loses, and the pundits say that it was the
bellowing, bossy "Oprah" factor that turned people off and away from his message, then she'll be as welcome as the plague in the general.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:05 PM
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20. I just don't agree. Oprah has a right to use her clout if she wants. That's the American way.
Springsteen did Kerry; Streisand does Clinton, Ani DeFranco does Kucinich (and he never misses a fucking concert, either! When he SHOULD BE in NH or IA, he's in TN and NY, tapping his toes...!).

You don't have to be a Democrat to endorse a Democrat. There's no "rule."

It is what it is. If she'd endorsed your candidate, you'd be thrilled.

I don't have a candidate yet, so I don't get quite so riled. So far, Obama isn't my top pick mainly because of that McClurkin shit (I have friends and relatives who were crushed, and I don't like seeing my friends and relatives so grievously hurt)--I may hold my nose and vote for him when it comes down to it, but I may not, either. Yesterday, I was liking me some Richardson, tomorrow, it could be Edwards or Clinton or even Gabby Joe Biden. There's something I like in most of them, actually.

But it could come down to a coin toss...all I know is I'm voting for a Democrat.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:06 PM
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21. you're voting dem. oprah probably will not if obama loses...
She will stay home like she did in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:08 PM
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24. ASSume much?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 05:08 PM by jenmito
Got a lik to her not voting Dem. all those times?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:19 PM
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Do we know she stayed home? Is she not registered to vote?
Perhaps she didn't want to alienate her viewers while she was building her HARPO empire.

Isn't she getting ready to quit that stupid show, already? Perhaps now she feels she can safely get partisan.

She's got her pile of cash; she probably figures since that relationship with that goofy looking "boyfriend" didn't pan out too well, she may as well make her lasting mark on the world now--be a real mover and shaker, beyond telling people what to read and what to wear.

She's 'peeing on the tree' because she believes that This Is Her Time. This is Her Moment.

She wants to see her name in the index of the history books about President Obama--it's something money alone cannot buy, you see. You know, Winfrey, O. Endorsement p. 13; campaigning for, pp. 43-4, 58, 182; Victory Tour, pp. 233-8; White House redecorating. p 301; backlash/reelection loss--influence on, p 512...

I'm only half-joking there. She needs to guard against over-exposure, because while a little bit packs a big punch, a lot just gets to be too much, IMO.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:42 PM
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40. cool-- i`m glad to see my man dennis is a ani fan....
one thing is for sure with dennis-he`s a real progressive and he has an excellent judgment when it comes to women.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:47 PM
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44. He's not so swift on the time management, though. He and the missus are following
Ani like groupies, when they should be freezing their asses off in IA and NH.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:55 PM
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11. Jeebus.
Time-based purity tests.

Gawd, I hate primary season. At any other time, people would be dancing in the streets for her speaking out.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:19 PM
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34. How about 1963???
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:44 PM
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41. 5-4-3-2-1------
:spray: :rofl:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:48 PM
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45. lol
:rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:49 PM
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46. Jesus, that's brutal...nt
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:53 PM
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52. Oh it gets worse!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:58 PM
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54. LOL
:spray: :spray: :spray:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:45 PM
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55. Whenever Johnny Carson would tell a Lincoln joke (Other than that, how was the play? e.g.)
he'd get that little 'nervous titter' from the audience, and he'd give that look, and say "Too soon?"

I'm so friken old I grew up in that "too soon" era!! I 'get' the humor but I'm not so jaded that it doesn't produce that "Whoa!" factor.

Hell, when I see Cartoon Lincoln and Lincoln Who Sells Sleeping Pills With a Beaver (or some stupid animal) I still get faint twinges of "Too-Soon-itis!"

It's a generational thing, I think.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:50 PM
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48. LOL!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:50 PM
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47. Your point is?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 05:51 PM by KingFlorez
There were a lot of people at that time that weren't speaking out about the war, it wasn't only Oprah not speaking out. At least she's speaking up now, that's what counts. I don't see the point of your post.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:53 PM
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51. her hypocrisy is the point
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:49 PM
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56. Hypocrisy is NOT a bar to endorsing a candidate, though. You're getting pissed about something
that isn't important and doesn't matter.

Even if she were a hypocrite, and I am not suggesting she is, she has every right to support whosoever she pleases. And if she is a hypocrite, it will shine through in her verbiage. Or maybe not. But she has the right to back the candidate of her choice.

Hypocrites are not disenfranchised in America.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:55 PM
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53. But Oprah did speak out against the war
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