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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:01 PM
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Don't Look Now...But Obama Just Won Iowa
Oprah was fantastic and Obama is sure to get rave reviews from the MSM (not that I like them...but it'll help his campaign). Anybody who says this won't shake up the polls is just dead wrong. I expect Obama to be outside the margin of error and close to a 5-8 point lead in the coming Iowa polls. Let's hope it carries over to New Hampshire and South Carolina!!!

GOBAMA!!!!
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:02 PM
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1. or the media coronation may backfire like the Gore endorsement of Dean...
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:05 PM
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10. Like the media coronation
hurt Clinton? Please, Draft...the media has been hyping Clinton from the beginning. Don't get pissy now that she's behind.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:15 PM
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16. I'm glad that the MACHINE POLITICS of Bush and Clinton are finally being spurned.
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 06:30 PM by blm
I am sick of this taking turns business that always ends up benefitting BushInc and hurting the Dem PARTY.

You all know what a HUGE Clinton cheerleader Bartcop is....well...Ever read Bartcop's take of 1992?

http://www.bartcop.com/bush92.htm

He may be a Clinton devotee, but at least he has some honesty about WHY Clinton was able to win and to survive due to his alliances.
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Ytzak Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:27 PM
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23. Bush lost in 1992 because of Ross Perot.
Clinton won with a plurality of the vote, not a majority.

I like Bartcop, but he is wrong on this.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:29 PM
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25. Perot's support cut both ways.
He took equally from both Clinton and Bush.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:38 PM
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31. He couldn't take equally. Where do you get that?
There are more Democrats to begin with.

72 million Dems
55 million Reps
42 million inds

Are you talking equal numbers of votes or equal percentage of votes? I'm guessing you don't know.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:10 PM
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34. Not equally, but close enough to not be the REASON Clinton won. The RW claim
that it was the only reason was always their WISH to ignore the public's rising distrust of Poppy Bush's involvement in the crimes of Reagan-Bush operations over the years.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:43 PM
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43. Equal percentage.
My mistake.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:36 PM
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29. Nope - polls showed it wouldn't have made a difference. It's a myth of the RW that Perot
effected that race.

Think about it - Poppy Bush knew the final BCCI report was due out with a list of outstanding matters that still needed closer scrutiny and the cooperation of the oval office to GET that scrutiny. He expected to be impeached after that report's release. IranContra was even just a small part of the overall criminal operations.

Poppy Bush's LONGTIME pal and supporter Jackson Stephens switches to Clinton for 92 - btw, Stephens is also a named figure in BCCI along with Marc Rich - Poppy runs the worst campaign ever and - BCCI report and all its outstanding matters, IranContra and Iraqgate are deep-sixed by his Dem successor.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:15 AM
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48. That's not true. Exit polling of voters showed that Clinton would have won without Perot.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:02 PM
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2. Maybe we should just elect Oprah
cut out the middleman that way.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:51 AM
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57. Cut the Middleman
It's pretty obvious that Opra is the deciding factor here. When Opra speaks, popularity for whomever she is backing...Dr. Phil, or Obama...rises.
It's kind of silly in the real world. We're talking President of the USA here, not Opra's favorite.
This goes a long way toward convincing me that the American people deserve what they get.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:03 PM
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3. He just needs to hold his own in the next few debates
Hes got all the momentum.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:07 PM
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12. Well, we all know how that goes..
He seldom as the right answer!
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:03 PM
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4. Gotta keep pouring hype into the tank
to keep the Obama Train chugging along.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:05 PM
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8. AHAHAHAHAHA hahahahahahahaha....
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:03 PM
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5. Not necessarily, but it's clear the hunger for change is immense
and he's tapping into it better than anyone else.

Oprah's speech, particularly the passage about experience, was very strong.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:31 PM
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26. Hunger for Change is a foreign concept here
remember who everyone is supporting; the same problematic inside the beltway types. They don't even know about what is out there at ground level.
Their campaigns and venality reflect it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:04 PM
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6. NObama for me.
that's the only thing out of this whole primary process i know for sure.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:05 PM
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7. In the same way that Hillary won it a month ago, yes.
This is crunch time. Any of the three could win it.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:05 PM
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9. I certainly like him
a LOT more than I like HRC that's for sure-she reminds me of the character in Tom Perrotta's novel Election...the perfect so well organized person who is SUPPOSED to win except nobody likes her
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:23 PM
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20. That's the attitude that denied the White House to Gore. Instead, we elect a jerk. nt
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:28 PM
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24. That had nothing to do with it
that election was stolen-two completely different scenarios
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:34 PM
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35. He didn't win his home state. nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:06 PM
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11. "Don't Look Now...But Oprah Just Won Iowa"
"Oprah leaves stage, FOX/CNN cut to regular programs. Only CSPAN stays w/ Obama's speech."
Good luck in the Illinois Caucus.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:07 PM
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13. Last I heard that actually required Iowans to caucus and vote.
And then they count the votes, and then the winner is announced. At least that is how I've heard it works. But good luck to your guy anyway.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:07 PM
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14. If Oprah is all it takes, I really fear for this nation. I hope the people of Iowa are a little less
easily swayed.


Hell, we are trying to elect a president, not the next American Idol.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:09 PM
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15. Exactly.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:24 PM
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22. Sadly that seems to be all it takes
Oprah says "this book is groovy" and everybody runs out to buy it.

Oprah puts a hack shrink on her show and suddenly he's a household name with his own show.

If Oprah says to vote for Obama there are countless people who will do it just because she says to.


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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:23 PM
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38. Yes it's true ...

Yes its true.

Oprah is the secular equivalent to a wackjob fundamentalist preacher. I'll take it.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:08 AM
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51. I've Said This Before Or Quoted It... Jackson Browne Wrote & Recorded
a song that has words in it that say "They sell us the President the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us everything from youth to religion, the same time they sell us our wars."

Going on he wrote... "I want to know who the men in the shadows are, I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are, BUT they're never the ones to FIGHT or to DIE!"

While written in the 80's during the Reagan "event" I find the words have endured and are as important now as they were then, perhaps even more so. Some of the VERY SAME people have their "dirty fingers" running this country into the ground!

So it was especially interesting to me to see that it was Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt attending and singing at an event for John Edwards in California recently. Then having Harry Belafonte coming aboard in support of Edwards is yet another coup. These are people who have worked tirelessly in the trenches for years and years and have shown that their dedication to human rights has never wavered. Oprah has been a force in America, but not necessarily a political force, but then as you said, and I myself have said, substance has been missing because too many people are being guided by what the "MEDIA" sells us.

And before ANYONE says I'm knocking Obama, you can stop before you start. I think he's a viable candidate and give him credit, I'm only pointing out certain facts about how Americans let themselves be led by name recognition only or what is repeated over and over each an every day on MSM!!
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:33 PM
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28. My thought exactly. - n/t
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 06:34 PM by Jim__
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:37 PM
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30. Oprah is not the strategy, and certainly not "all it takes"
Pay attention to the campaign
It's about HOPE and CHANGE

very foreign concepts to many who post here.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:41 PM
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42. Lying, pandering, preaching, pussyfooting
It's not about HOPE and CHANGE. It's about the same old crap wrapped in a new package.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:23 AM
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53. Oprah is not the strategy?!? - perhaps but for Obama supporters she's a blessing now and
will be in New Hampshire, So. Carolina and Nevada... I trust and believe in Obama and look forward to going to washington to celebrate his presidential victory celebrations... yes in deed!!!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:40 PM
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37. What Skip said!!
I can't believe anybody would choose a candidate based on OPRAH! That's just bizarre.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:50 AM
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47. Give us a little credit
It takes much more than a celebrity endorsement to influence who I will caucus for.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:16 PM
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17. Or a Bigot back lash
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:23 PM
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21. Wonder when the last time Iowans heard so many references to MLKing. nt
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:38 PM
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32. So, what, white guy references only?
is that what you mean? Very Democratic.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:36 PM
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36. Wow! Such conclusion jumping!
I think it's good for them, actually.

Not very Democratic of you.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:26 PM
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39. Right. All Iowans are bigots.
Thanks for helping Iowans move out of the dark ages.

Talk about bigotry!!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:30 PM
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40. Says you.
This country is horrifically ignorant of history.

Any time they get reminded of folks from our past I'm all for it. I heard Eleanor Roosevelt quoted on a program this evening. That felt good too.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:34 PM
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41. So, Iowans ARE bigots?
That would be news to people like Jack Trice, George Washington Carver, Simon Estes, or the many, many runaway slaves who were helped through Iowa and north on the underground railroad.

Speaking of history.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:39 AM
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49. You think there aren't bigots in Iowa?
LOL. Lots of 'em. And not all of 'em are Repubs, sad to say.
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:15 AM
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52. Point a finger
4 point back at ya, buddy!

Looks like you are pretty skilled at stereotyping ... something bigot are supposed to be good at.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:29 AM
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54. Huh???
Just whom do you think I was stereotyping?

Let me tell you, there are bigots EVERYwhere. In every state. In every group of people. And while most of the worst bigots are Republicans or other, even more extreme right-wingers, we on the left are NOT so pure either.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:20 PM
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59. What about Iowa's past has to do with bigotry? nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:44 PM
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44. Actually as an Iowan I hear references to MLK somewhat regularly
plus references to Frederick Douglas. And the Underground Railroad. My neighborhood is half Hispanic so I get a good dash of Spanish each day. Often when I work with the kids I am mentoring.
Trying to maintain my legendary Iowa bigotry is getting tougher.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:17 PM
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58. I've always found it a challenge.
I attended an integrated school in Davenport in the '60s, only to find the good Northeastern liberals still fighting to keep schools segregated when I moved to Boston in the 80's.

So, you can imagine my confusion.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:19 PM
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18. He's already there
He's already got that 5-8 point lead according to the last 2 polls.
Oprah will help him solidify that.
I wouldn't put it in the book til the results are in, but Obama's in great position.
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phillyliberal Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:19 PM
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19. yeah well
he will not get elected. this country will not elect barack obama.

end of story, unfortunately... and I dont want too risk this election on a minority candidate or a female one... I wish the party would just get one thing straight- if we nominate biden, richardson, or edwards, it will be a cakewalk..

If we lose this election, the party will need to make some serious changes because the democratic donkey will be extinct.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:32 PM
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27. Wow...I'd never have the guts to post anything that...bold...
about my candidate, for fear I would be wrong....I wonder how many people will bookmark pages like this, and come back to razz you if it doesn't happen?


Nah, no one will do that.....
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:54 PM
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33. he he he he he he he he this stupid post doesn't deserve a ha ha
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totheleft Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:11 AM
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45. Wow...thats..
Bold.

I'm not saying that Obama WONT win Iowa, but to call it in December is showing that you don't know your Iowa politics very well. ;)
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:24 AM
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46. Oprah was impressive
Obama is lucky to have her on his side.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:42 AM
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50. Yeah, leading in the polls .....
And we know that going into Iowa, NH, and SC leading in the polls means you win.

Yeah, it does.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:46 AM
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55. The other side gets to play too
Everyone will get to play a card. Its not over just because Obama played a good one.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:49 AM
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56. Surprisingly even Bill Crystal on FOXnews said Obama would win Iowa this morning...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:41 PM
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60. Oh, is the caucusing over? n/t
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