Hillary and Chelsea Clinton went to Iowa church today -- for 13 minutes.

[jefferson_dem]

Hillary attends Iowa church Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:52 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Clinton
From NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann

DES MOINES, IA -- Hillary and Chelsea Clinton went to church today -- for 13 minutes.

Clinton appeared at an 11:00 am service at Corinthian Baptist Church, a mostly African-American congregation here. After arriving about a half hour after the start of the service with daughter Chelsea and former Gov. Tom Vilsack in tow Clinton participated in a lengthy fellowship sharing (the second of the service), during which members greet each other and mingle. Approached -- but not mobbed -- by churchgoers who snapped cell-phone pictures of the senator, Clinton shook hands and posed for photos until the pastor herded the congregation back to their seats with a series of increasingly impatient "Amens."

Clinton made brief remarks at the service, beginning with a pious declaration of "this is the day the Lord has made." But despite her reverential tone, her remarks were not devoid of politics. Touting her years of work for the Children's Defense Fund, she said that she is running for president "in large measure" to ensure the future of America's children. "The American people need a president to be their champion," she said.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/30/539318.aspx

[swag]

1. That's far too long to stay in any church.

[ZombieHorde]

41. Heh heh, sou desu. nt

[alarimer]

2. They did better than I did by 13 minutes then

So what? Probably had other places to be.

[annie1]

5. HEATHEN!

lol

[rodeodance]

9. petty post

[DURHAM D]

3. The writer of that piece is an ignorant ass.

"..pious declaration of 'this is the day the Lord has made'" - its Sunday isn't it?

Good grief.

[Missy M]

11. I second it......

whose payroll is that writer on.

[annie1]

4. lol. i love this comment the best....

POOR CHELSEA BEING DRAGGED AROUND BY A MOM THAT HAS TAKEN DRUG AND CRIMINAL MONEY, IS A KNOWN COMMUNIST WORSHIPPER,SUPPORTED BY HER THESIS, STOLE THE WHITEHOUSE FURNITURE,AND RUMORRED TO HAVE HAD NUMEROUS LESBIAN AFFAIRS. NO CHILD SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT HER SLEAZY PARENTS PUT HER THROUGH.

from some freak in TX

[rodeodance]

13. not a very christian thing to say!-given it is the day of the lord.

[annie1]

18. i left my own Christian comment. lol...

ONE MORE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE AND WE CAN BAN ALL ABORTIONS! YOU SHOULD ALL BE BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT! lol. something like that. lol.

[aquart]

31. Oh, I agree. "All."

And as soon as they can guarantee that all men will be pregnant, I fully support abolishing abortion.

[madrchsod]

14. is`t that person a real treasure!

i`ll go out on a limb but i think he hates hillary and probably every woman "it" has ever known...

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. Actually, that's a kinder tack than I have seen some freeps take on Chelsea, though obviously

not kind to her folks.

[stevedeshazer]

6. I went to church today for zero minutes

I'm not even running and I'm winning. :)

[Snotcicles]

28. I drove by one at 45 MPH today. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

7. Was Donnie McClurkin the pastor? No? OK, that explains why Obama didn't go...

I :puke: on the OP.

[jefferson_dem]

10. I posted the MSNBC report unedited and without commentary.

So hold the hurl or direct it elsewhere.

Speaking of ... does your candidate still think homosexuality is a choice?

[madrchsod]

16. you posted it therefore

you made a comment even if you did`t. you can`t win for losing!

[Telly Savalas]

43. Why did you post it?

Did you really consider this to be so important that it deserved a thread? What was the intent?

[Beausoir]

45. Burn!

[ElizabethDC]

8. Apparently Obama did the same thing at the same church earlier this year

Earlier this year, Democratic candidate Barack Obama also joined the mostly black congregation.

He, too, left early.

Link: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004100149_appoliticalplayoftheday30.html?syndication=rss


No, I don't know exactly how minutes he was there, because I'm sure that will come up.

[earthlover]

17. Well, apparently, Hillary arrived 30 minutes late....

then basically interrupted the service....and left.

I'm sorry, and if Obama didn't stick around for the entire service his bad too, but I think it is disrespectul for a candidate to use a church service for political gain. If they do go to a church service, it should be to praise god, not have people praise them. They should at least stay there for the whole service instead of barging in the middle of the service with a big interruption.

I would be happy if candidates simply stayed out of churches, unless they are simply going there for their own spiritual needs.

To equate the church with politics is blasphemy from a religious view, and to use the house of god to advance one's own political ambition is as well.

I'm sorry, but does everything have to be a campaign venue? Everything?

[ElizabethDC]

21. Well, it's evidently a common practice, and the church must be okay with it

if they keep letting candidates come and speak. It would certainly seem out of place at my own church, but different strokes for different folks, you know? :shrug:

[earthlover]

37. It was a totally political act....church is for serving god and serving creation

Equating church and politics is blasphemy and lousy politics to boot!

[Beacool]

57. It appears that Obama stayed all of 22 minutes.

Now we can all feel better and can continue this petty game of oneupmanship. :puke:

[madrchsod]

12. the church

this church was started in 1898 by women who thought their community needed a church...

i take it that hillary is`t a "shout`n methodist" or she would have stayed...

[kstewart33]

15. She stayed as long as she needed to.

It's less than 4 days until the caucuses - give her a break.

[earthlover]

20. Oh please...there is no reason she even had to go there in the first place except to get votes

She isn't even Baptist. This was a farce. It would be quite forgiveable for her not to attend church in her busy life. But to just go to church to do some politicing is blasphemous.

[ElizabethDC]

23. Don't most, if not all of the candidates do this?

I know Obama had previously stopped by the same church, and he's not Baptist either.

However, as a Christian, I don't feel the need to always attend churches of the same denomination if I'm away from home.

[earthlover]

40. If Hillary wanted to go to a Baptist church...without all the cameras...fine

I would certainly admire her for telling the press to bug off and let her have an hour or so to worship on her own.

But that is not what happened.

The whole thing was a campaign appearance. Not humbling oneself before god, but trying to make political gain out of god's church.

Hillary would never have been to that church in the first place if the caucuses were not Thursday.

But...would it be asking too much for Hillary to go to church on time, instead of barging in with full regalia and camera crew a half hour into the service and then leaving when the photo-op was over?

Did she even listen to the sermon?

[Missy M]

24. Then I guess all the candidates are blasphemous.

What does Hillary not being a Baptist have to do with anything?

[earthlover]

38. Using the church for politics is blasphemous, no matter who does it

I know it is not just Hillary. Lots of other politicians have done it too. It is turning the church into a campaign venue.

I know there is hypocrisy in church. Lots of people go to church for reasons totally unrelated to god. Many to show off their clothes or to strike business "spheres of influence". This is no different.

I'm just sayin that politicians should just stay away from churches unless they want to pray. And if they pray, they should do it silently instead of having thousands of people witnessing it for their own political gain. It just makes a mockery out of religion and of the candidates as well, in my view. And needlessly.

[Perry Logan]

19. The sad part is, someone actually timed it.

[Joe the Revelator]

34. Why is that sad?

[Countdown_3_2_1]

22. If this was a Blues Brothers Event, it would have been worth it.

Wild singing, Hillary and Chelsea doing somersaults in the aisles. Vilsack playing the sax....THAT would have been worth some votes.

instead we get, "Welcome to todays service with special guest starts Hillary and Chelsea Clinton."

13 minutes is kind of an insult to the regulars. Its like saying, "I want your votes but I'm not wasting my time with you little people."
Worship is important to these people. She can't sit for an hour?

[postulater]

25. Late for church?

Isn't that a sin?

[Jim Sagle]

26. Typical RNC mediashit. Whoever gets the nomination will get the same.

[Sultana]

27. .

Heathens :sarcasm:

I am Christian but why do candidates campaign at churches, isn't their separation of church and state?

Or else they should then start campaigning also at synagogues, mosques, temples etc... :shrug:

edit: more info

[loveangelc]

35. I have to say I don't understand why

black churches are more ok to campaign in than white churches to us. Black or white, the point of any church first is to praise God like someone said earlier.

[aquart]

29. Should have gone to Landover Baptist.

That's where the real Christians go.

[greeneyedboy]

30. this is what every politician does. n/t

[Kahuna]

33. Did she say, 'I DON'T FEEL NO WAYS TIRED..BEEN TOO FAR

TO TURN BACK NOW'...? :rofl:

[sampsonblk]

36. Good. All the candidates need to go to church-nt

[Rowdyboy]

39. Apparently the church members were happy with her appearance so I fail to see the downside....maybe

I'm just slow :shrug:

[Caseman]

42. Who gives a shit?

Why even post this. Waste of my time even to read the title.

[Catherine Vincent]

44. "Why even post this."

Because the OP and others look for anything to criticize Senator Clinton. Surely you know that.

[Caseman]

48. I don't like Hillary...

...and I wouldn't even post this garbage.

[PurityOfEssence]

46. How long can it take? You suck, he died for you, repeat with the others, toss in some money and go

Is this any worse than what Obama continuously does with religion for personal gain? Is the fact that it's a largely black congregation an issue here?

Maybe she's just on the road and jonesin' for a fix...

What most of these little incidents show more than anything else is that the blowback can be nasty and the consequences are very unpredictable. Still, they both persist.

One thing I hope that gets driven home if Edwards wins the primaries is that he was the only one of the three who didn't greasily play the religion card. Maybe that'll buy us a little respite from the encroaching creep of theocracy.

[nealmhughes]

47. Late for Church by the Driveby Truckers:

Late for church again
Never seem to be on time
Hear the bells as they peal through the holler
Doesn't sound like a friend of mine

A hundred eyes turn as I enter
Face burnin' as I walk past pews
I can tell they think I'm a sinner
Hear them whisper while I'm watching my shoes

Only seat left is right up front
I'm not a bit surprised
Back is soft but the seat is hard
Why can't they get it right?

Reverend Bob is pointin' his finger
Mom and Dad follow every last word
All this hollerin' makes me wonder
Does a whispered prayer get heard?

Reverend Bob is preachin' out thunder
Fire and brimstone pouring down
Me, I'm wondering what's for dinner
Waitin' for 12 o'clock to come round

Everybody's got their own Heaven
They all find it their own way

I am an angel


lyrics by Adam Howell/Patterson Hood
music by Drive-by Truckers

[Seabiscuit]

49. And lo, Churchlady spake:"this is the day the Lord has made."

:puke:

[madrchsod]

50. "The Church of Stop Shopping"

maybe she should have stopped there....http://www.revbilly.com/
Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping

[lastliberalintexas]

51. I am a certified Hillary Hater, and I must say this is ridiculous

It was a campaign stop, she didn't go there to attend the service. She would have stayed 10 to 20 minutes regardless of whether the event was in a church, community center or personal residence. As would have any of the candidates.

There are PLENTY of legitimate things to criticize Clinton for, no need to use BS like this.

[paulk]

52. the stuff you post has gotten so petty that I'm beginning to think

that you're actually a Hillary mole, hoping for a backlash sympathy vote.

[jefferson_dem]

53. Busted...

You got me.

Right.

[mentalsolstice]

54. And Hillary openly breast-fed Chelsea while in church...

:sarcasm: puleeze, get over yourself!

[annie1]

55. Oh this comment wins...

from the comments after the link

"She is so repugnant.

Using religion. Using children. All to further her unholy ends. Isn't that something the antichrist would do? Has anybody scoured her body to see if she has "666" tattooed someplace.

Time to retire & leave the country if she gets in... at 50."

alrighty then!!

[Beacool]

56. Oh goody!!! Another Obama fan spreading the joy!!!

:eyes:

[progressoid]

58. yawn

[IronLionZion]

59. I can't wait until the primaries are over nt