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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:57 PM
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Poll question: Rick Warren invocation and your personal sexuality.
Last poll.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:01 PM
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1. Very few elements of an inauguration are remembered years later
Of the ones that are, it usually boils down to:

The swearing in
What the First Lady Wore
The Inaugural Address (If it was an especially good one)

And later:
How many balls the First Couple attended and What the First Lady Wore.

Warren will be (or should be) a blip on the history radar.

It matters more to me what policies the PE sets forth.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:01 PM
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2. voted 5, but really more like 4.5
I'm not outraged because I have learned to expect this kind of thing from politicians. On the other hand, while the speech itself will have no lasting effect, the fact that the speech is happening at all demonstrates the effect that irrationality has over public policy.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:03 PM
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3. I'm straight and don't care what fairy-tale spouting BS artist Obama chooses
religion is the opiate of the masses, and I'm tuning out this silly little spat.
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JohnnieGordon Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:18 PM
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14. If you think homophobia is a silly little concern, I'll be tuning out of you nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:05 PM
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4. kick.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:19 PM
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5. straight and furious
After 8 years of the most intolerant administration of my lifetime, after Prop H8, after the gay adoption bans, after more stories of hate crimes, is NOW really the time for this?

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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:26 PM
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6. why is there no "other"?
"I am straight and I am bored to death of this."


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JohnnieGordon Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:21 PM
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16. Yes, equality is just so deadly dull when it isn't a personal concern
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:27 PM
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7. 6 for "a fine choice".
You six, and any who might join them should go somewhere far away and fuck yourselves.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:46 PM
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9. LOL
I love plain talk.
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chocolate ink Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:42 PM
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8. Pastor Ricky
I feel more disgusted than outrage although I guess the two rather go together. Sure we can disagree without being disagreeable but that doesn't usually work when dealing with fundamentalists.

If you have to have religion in the inauguration at least have someone giving invocation who believes in civil rights for everyone. I don't think we'd be seeing a pastor who was say still against civil rights for black people or that women shouldn't be allowed to vote(and they are out there)-that would be considered crazy.

As far as I'm concerned Obama is dead wrong on this.

Warren is also on record(on Hannity's show) as saying we/the U.S. should be able to assassinate people like Ahmandinejad because he is evil...or presumably anyone we would consider a potential threat. That was pretty horrifying to me and that alone should discount him as being someone who would be part of the inauguration.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:19 PM
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10. kick.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:03 PM
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11. I am straight with a gay son and I'm outraged.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:02 PM
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12. kick.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:10 PM
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13. Disappointed in the pick
But - and I am fervently hoping this is the case - I don't think it was have any strong impact on policy.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:20 PM
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15. I'm disappointed
in the number of DUers who link Warren is a "fine pick"

I'm straight and I'm outraged at the pick.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:22 PM
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17. former campaign manager against our states marriage amendment, and I'm fine with it
I also reject the straight/gay dichotomy, and do not personally identify as "straight."

And I'm fine with the Warren choice to say a prayer.

It's very simple... Obama's administration, for all of its strengths or flaws is going to be an experiment in inclusiveness rather than exclusion. It's going to be an experiment in halting the traditional back and forth where right wing ideologues seek to exclude all voices that don't march in lock step for so many years and then left wing ideologues seek to exclude all voices that don't march in lock step for so many years.

The problem is that a lot of people really don't want a way forward. They want dissent to be crushed into oblivion. What they really want is for people they disagree with to be so marginalized that they disappear - maybe leave the country, or are in some other way never heard from again.

The guy is wrong. But so are half of the American people. I don't think we should shut them out of politics - that simply guarantees that sooner are later they will reassemble the political impetus to take power once again. Instead I think we should build and inclusive dialogue where we take steps together. They may be smaller steps, and no doubt finding common ground will be challenging at times - but its the only way we stop the stupid CYCLE of right-left political bullshit.
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