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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:12 AM
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Rev. Welton Gaddy, State of Belief, warns against using religion as a political tool.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 02:12 AM by madfloridian
His show on XM 167 on Sundays is one we never miss. He is one of the most intelligent refreshing voices in the religious world today. I grew up in the rigid atmosphere of the Southern Baptist Church, still recovering. He is a pleasure to hear, and I believe his type of Christianity is what Jesus Christ would have blessed.



Religion and the Democratic Party

So, where is the Democratic Party going with religion? Is the nation entering a new era of “Mutual Assured Devoutness “(MAD)-a religious version of the cold war’s “mutual assured destruction”? Is religion becoming as Pastor Dan Schultz of Street Prophets asks, a new religious industrial complex? And if Democrats no longer look down at their shoes when they talk about their faith, is it only if their faith is mainstream Christian? How do American Muslims, Hindus, Baha’is, Sikhs, Humanist, and even atheists, just to name a few other beliefs, fit in?

As we look to the future of religion and politics, what role will religion have in uniting or dividing the nation? In crafting our founding documents our early leaders sought to protect religion from politics and politics from religion so that both could flourish as positive influences. The positive role of religion is tarnished if it becomes just another political tool that plays one side off of another. As we start with a new Administration and a new Congress, all parties should pray that does not happen.


He links to a post by Sarah Posner, another of my favorites in the realm of fundamentalism. She writes The FundamentaList at the American Prospect.

This article is from Religion Dispatches.

Battling for the Soul of the Democratic Party

The Making of the “Religious Industrial Complex”

Eyes aimed upward, the loudly faithful Democrats have achieved a lot in four short years. The party launched a Faith in Action initiative and hosted, for the first time, a faith caucus at its convention. Under the leadership of then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California, the House Democratic caucus organized a Democratic Faith Working Group, which meets regularly with religious constituencies to craft policy.

Operatives and advocates sprang up to offer advice on how to win over religious voters. Amy Sullivan, an editor at Time magazine, published The Party Faithful, both a castigation of Democratic elites for allegedly failing to understand or connect with religious voters and a blueprint for electoral outreach. Mara Vanderslice, the former director (and critic) of John Kerry’s religious outreach opened Common Good Strategies to advise Democratic candidates on faith outreach, before founding the Matthew 25 Network, which supported Barack Obama. Burns Strider, the Pelosi aide who helped launch the Faith Working Group, went on to become the religious outreach strategist for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and runs his own consulting firm, the Eleison Group. In 2007, Religion News Service named him, Sullivan, and Vanderslice among the “twelve most influential Democrats in the nation on faith and values politics and issues.”

While the Democrats have come a long way in four years, Strider said, those efforts cannot match decades of organizing. “We’re going to see continued ‘bringing into the fold’ faith organizing within campaigns and within the party,” he told an audience at the National Press Club last month.

...."By 2008, the constellation of organizations and initiatives that had cropped up inside the Beltway began cultivating the public personae of a new generation of religious leaders. Pastor Dan Schultz of the Street Prophets blog calls this constellation the “religious industrial complex.” Within this constellation, many believe, is the new generation of “broader agenda” religious leaders who hold the key to electoral success: swing Catholic voters, weekly churchgoers, and evangelicals.


Posner further goes on to ask "is the Religious Left Getting Left Behind by the Beltway Constellation?"

Yes, I think so. Perhaps because of the beltway bubble, perhaps unthinkingly. But it's a good question and needs an answer.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:44 AM
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1. I miss Rev Gaddy's show since I gave up XM
They don't carry his show locally, or on the streams I usually listen to, so it's been a while since I've heard him.

This is a minister who is much better qualified to speak to all Americans, and lead off an inaguration ceremony, than someone like Rick Warren.
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xfundy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:10 AM
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3. He's on Air America Radio Sat & Sun
You can stream it, as I do, since the idjits and fundies (sorry, repeating myself) bought up or bullied the stations that used to carry it on AM radio. ITunes, baby.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:24 PM
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12. Try this link out.......
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:08 PM
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18. Thanks... but actually I just found him on another link
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:45 AM
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2. I really like listening to him.
That man's got a whole lot more logic and sense in him than most religious leaders on the radio tied together in a knot.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:09 PM
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7. He provides an atmosphere of love and caring, not hate and division.
He is logical and common sense, yes, you are right.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:12 AM
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4. The religious left was powerful for 200 years. Then the right took over.
This dude is just trying to keep us from getting back what always belonged to us. Abolition. Anti-war. Civil rights----the Christian left made those all possible. The Republicans are scared shitless that a new Christian left will bring economic justice.

Do not listen to anyone who says "No religion for Democrats." Check out the Liberation Theologists instead.

PS I suspect that some of the people bitching about Warren are really Freepers trying to keep him from speaking at the inauguration because they fear he could lead some people to support Obama's economic program.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:23 AM
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5. The tone of your post is disturbing, I hope I misunderstood.
"The Dude" is not saying that. It goes deeper. I am not happy about Obama's choice of Warren, and I think the ones who are angry are seeing a pattern developing....that the old discrimination may not be changing much yet.

I hope I misunderstood. I would say the liberal Americans made those possible. Where did I or anyone say "no religion" for Democrats?

That is not what he said, not what I said.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:07 PM
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9. I found McCamy Taylor's post disturbing also
First of all, Obama's current economic stance, as evidenced by his choices of Rubin, Geithner, SUmmers etc - those choices are horrible. You know there is a problem when Fox economic "experts" are pleased with the choices.

And McCamy is either mis-reading you - or deliberately slanting you.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:03 PM
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14. that is simplistic and misleading
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 06:04 PM by Two Americas
Just because there is a history of people bringing their religious beliefs into the fight for justice and equality, that does not mean that reaching out to people who are preaching injustice and bigotry under the guise of religion are therefor potential allies.

Just because religion is not incompatible with the political Left, that does not mean that right wingers who happen to be religious are.

How is welcoming in Warren related to Liberation Theology?

No one has been saying "no religion for Democrats," and you are trying to confuse people with that. At issue is not embracing religious people or not, it is embracing right wingers or not. Much of modern Christianity is an extremist right wing political movement masquerading as a religion. We are not obligated to include that, nor respect or consider it. That does not necessarily mean that anyone is opposed to religion. Some are, but they have been low key and respectful in this debate. We are, as always, opposed to the extreme right wing political ideas. That is not a matter of being "intolerant" or "hateful" as some have suggested.

Your snide implication that those opposed to the Warren selection have a hidden agenda to oppose some economic program, and your insinuation that those who disagree with you may be "Freepers" is beyond the pale and unacceptable.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:40 AM
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6. The religious left has the word "left" in it.
That is not in vogue with the two major parties in their quest to appeal to conservatives.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:50 PM
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8. I think that may be right.
The right has a chokehold on the media and on our society.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:10 PM
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10. More and more it looks like Aotorank and his theory of
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 03:10 PM by truedelphi
The One "Money" Party is the right insight into the mess. Two parties is very old school.

We are so screwn.

And most on DU have this weird logic set up - an economic mess that continues to worsen is okay as long as it occurs under a charismatic Demcorat rather than a doddering old GOP asswipe.

Never mind that we are homeless, jobless and food-less in either instance.

And people who think that charisma will solve 181 Trillion bucks worth of derivative losses, I don't know how to approach those people.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:28 PM
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11. Gaddy said Warren's forum questions during primary required commitment to Jesus.
And he very much disapproved. Rev. Gaddy realizes our nation needs to keep the two separate.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/progressiverevival/2008/08/one-step-forward-two-steps-bac.html

"A question about a candidate's commitment to Jesus seems of little relevance to a religiously pluralistic nation made strong by a secular government that appreciates religion but gives no preference to religion over non-religion. For the most part, I found Pastor Warren's questions creative and helpful and his attitude a refreshing encouragement of all that is civil. However, his inquiry about personal faith and his citations from the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures well could have left the wrong impression. Many people in this nation do not turn to those scriptures for wisdom or to faith for guidance. Questions essential in a church are not particularly helpful in a conversation a church sponsors to help educate diverse voters in the nation.

In response to Pastor Warren's questions on religion, both John McCain and Barack Obama seemed compelled to offer confessions of faith as a credential for their attractiveness as a candidate for the White House. But, that should not be the case. There is no religious test for public office according to our Constitution and we have no business trying to establish what the Constitution forbids.

As I said in email I sent to the members of the Interfaith Alliance: "After watching the Saddleback Forum on Saturday evening, I did not see a clear winner but I did see a clear loser - it was people like us. While I appreciate Pastor Rick Warren's civility, I believe questions like: 'What does it mean to trust in Christ?' have no place in a political forum."


AMEN
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:49 PM
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13. Warren's PEACE plan..What are Warren's real motives? Read this = Scary!
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/21875.htm

The Global Ambition of Rick Warren

By David Van Biema
Aug. 07, 2008

If Warren were content to be merely the most influential religious figure on the American political scene, that would be significant enough. He isn't. Five years ago, he concocted what he calls the PEACE plan, a bid to turn every single Christian church on earth into a provider of local health care, literacy and economic development, leadership training and spiritual growth. The enterprise has collected testimonials from Bono, the First Couple, Hillary Clinton, Obama, McCain and Graham, who called it "the greatest, most comprehensive and most biblical vision for world missions I've ever heard or read about." The only thing bigger than the plan's sheer nerve is the odds against its completion; there are signs that in the small country Warren has made a laboratory for the plan, PEACE is encountering as many problems as it has solved.

Having staked so much on his global initiative, Warren can't allow it to die. But the scale of his ambition does raise questions that confront the American Evangelical movement as a whole as it tries to graduate from a domestic political force into a global benefactor. In fact, it is easier to save souls than to save the world.

(snip)

Warren may not aspire to global mogulhood, but he is clearly near giddy over occupying a globetrotting-catalyst status normally reserved for ex-Presidents. If he no longer wants to be the official pastor of the Republican Party, that's in part because he needs support from both parties for his various world projects. His new willingness to embrace causes regardless of their political implications places him firmly in the movement of New Evangelicalism, which remains socially conservative but has opinions on, say, Christianity in China that don't align with either political party's.

.........

If you have the time read this whole article. I cannot believe the MSM isn't taking about the involvement Warren has in Africa with an out and out GLBT assault and how he is using this to gain a cult like influence!

http://gayuganda.blogspot.com/2008/09/ssempa-rewarded-for-anti-gay-crusade.html

:wow:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:42 PM
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15. sounds like he plans a giant Jim Jones cult group, doesn't it? creepy...
I don't trust him. I am concerned he has dark powers (he is in a place of power, is he not, people? he's very famous now) and is leading negatively & trying to lure Obama, they are 'friends' afterall. I pray for Obama. I think he's pretty strong, but prayers never hurt.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:55 PM
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16. The thing I am concerned with is the message of hate against the GLBT community.
He is spreading this around the world and that in itself is a travesty!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:01 PM
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17. He is hate. Guys like that have a huge FALL coming! Fallwell Warren, fall well! eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:58 PM
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19. Yes, it is a dangerous thing to spread that hate.
It could cause danger. Warren should not be giving that invocation.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 05:36 AM
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20. Well said that man
I've never heard of him before but what he says here echoes my own thoughts in a much more eloquent way.

Mixing religion and politics always brings out the worst in both. People of faith will always have a place in political life but using religion as a weapon devalues all involved.

And I'm not even Christian.
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