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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:10 AM Original message |
Let's just get down to the basics - according to Maslow. |
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Dennis Donovan
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. While I agree on almost all points, the only thing I disagree with is... |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I very much hope you are right. |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. VERY few people on DU say "just get over it". But the fact is, if you want to be a reptile |
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Dennis Donovan
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You just said get over it... |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. No, actually. But when you can't move beyond anger everything you hear will be an insult |
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Dennis Donovan
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. This has gone far beyond anger... |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Acceptable? There's no choice but "accept" it cause it's not changing. Doesn't mean I like it |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. In other words "just get over it". Right? |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Um, no. Because "just get over it" means FORGET ABOUT IT. Did I come close to invalidating |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Really? You seem to have no trouble invalidating them from what I'm seeing. |
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Dennis Donovan
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Well, I choose not to accept it. I choose to empathize with those who are upset about it |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I don't think you're going to see her again in this thread. She's humiliated herself. |
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Starbucks Anarchist
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
101. Did you see this post of hers? |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. That is seriously deranged. |
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QC
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #104 |
143. Seriously deranged and yet typical. n/t |
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No Elephants
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I read that as self-defense. |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. That's because the Opening Poster didn't go on to declare how they advocate using violence |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Still no link, there? |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Here's a link to your multiple posts. You don't fully express your views on using violence |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. And do you realize that isn't me? Do you have trouble reading my user name? |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. You're real quiet all of a sudden, Cryingshame. Why is that? |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Over half an hour and still no apology? And you were so quick to attack. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. An hour and a half but still you're too cowardly to admit your mistake. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
140. Three hours since you first slandered me with lies, cryingshame. No apology? |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
146. Four hours and you're still hiding. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
54. Do you have a link for that accusation? |
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Donnachaidh
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. move beyond anger = get over it. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Flame #1. |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. There's not one insult in my post. You are the one who focuses on the reptilian brain function |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. And if you show me violence I WILL respond in kind. That is self protection. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Do you have a link for that accusation? That's a very serious accusation to make against someone. |
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No Elephants
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Plenty of people on DU say either "Just get over it," or "Sit down and shut up," or "This is |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. It's very Freepery of them. NT |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. I "want to be a reptile?" |
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Peacetrain
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
132. Callling someone a reptile because they have a different view is wrong |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. We're being called reptiles because we're gay. |
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HamdenRice
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. Well, then, the ability to get married will definitely frustrate the SEX satisfaction part! |
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Jennicut
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. LOL...marriage is not always that fulfilling |
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No Elephants
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Yes, all should have access to marriage, as long as all also get acess to divorce. Otherwise, it's |
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Jennicut
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Yes it is. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
53. Deleted message |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Deleted sub-thread |
xchrom
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
7. recommend |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Really? This is about the Opening Poster advocating the use of violence to solve problems |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I notice you never provide a link to that comment. |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Apparently you have a short memory. I quoted you directly. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. THATS IWANTANYDEM, NOT ME! Can't you even read a user name? |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Are you drunk? That's another poster. |
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Midlodemocrat
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
144. What is wrong with you? That is a completely different poster. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #144 |
155. Hatred has blurred more than just her judgment. |
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racaulk
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
148. You dumb ass! You're quoting a completely different user. |
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Zuiderelle
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
156. WTF? LOL |
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Starbucks Anarchist
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Mon Dec-22-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
169. FAIIIIIIIIIIL! |
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No Elephants
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Recommend. Even if you are right about the quote, ti is not from this thread and it sounds like |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Her link leads to a different poster. She couldn't even get that right. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. Meanwhile, all gays are reptiles. Who knew? |
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No Elephants
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. The species cannot survive without sex. Individual members of the species, |
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Mira
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. K&R Phenomenal Post Yes ! |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Thanks. I was hoping it would lead to some understanding. |
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patrice
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
36. I agree that Sexuality is absolutely fundamental to a functional concept of Self |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. If this event leads to a crystallization of the GLBT community to fight, then you're right. |
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patrice
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Do we agree that there is fighting and then there is "fighting"? |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. It depends on what you see as useful. |
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patrice
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I am very happy to consider things in terms of their uses, especially as that relates to Development |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. LOL! I appreciate your interst but I don't want to get off topic here. |
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patrice
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. okay, then . . . Merry Christmas! |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. And Happy Holidays to you. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. It's a lot more than sex, of course. There's personal security, social acceptance... |
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LWolf
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Sun Dec-21-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
37. That chart is upside down. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. A lot of people use the inverted chart nowadays. |
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TBF
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Moving left - |
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LWolf
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
145. Agreed. |
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patrice
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I like the chart "upside down". I also like your application of the concept to "Democrats". nt |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
45. We need to stop him from speaking or gay people will die! (nt) |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. How does it feel to be a fully fledge human being with all your rights intact? |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Naaw. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. What a shame our rights don't rise to the level you require to support us. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Of course. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
124. You poor thing |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
110. You're missing a fascinating example of sado-religious porn. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #110 |
136. What is always this explicit on DU |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Gay people are being "literally executed" in many countries, including the U.S. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Maybe he doesn't care. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Maybe he likes it. |
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last1standing
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. That is the most likely scenario. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I would bet on it. It's fairly easy to spot the sadists who enjoy sexual violence. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. *rolls eyes* |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Obviously. Gay kids dying is treated like a minor shame by those who enjoy their |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Lets try being honest. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. By legitimizing people who equate gays with child molestors, increasing their |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. I have a feeling that you know and are very pleased with it. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Fascinating. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Yes, I think that might be true. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I think you find it satisfactory. You plainly view GLBT people as privileged and |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. It may be easy for you to ignore that gay teens are driven to suicide and homelessness |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. You should not presuppose what I ignore and what I acknowledge. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Red herring. It's not just Tier 1 needs that are at issue here. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. I'm not presupposing anything. I'm concluding based on the evidence of your posts. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. He does care. He fantasizes that we're all on crosses surrounded by Judases. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I assume libelous attacks are more interesting to you that a discussion? (nt) |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Your libelous attacks are interesting to me. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. There is no libel there. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Please, a favor. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. First, I didn't say anything like that, so your quote marks are dishonest. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Sorry. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Your words speak for themselves. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Stop with the falsehoods about things I did NOT say. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Sorry |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Who said it was just tier 1? |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Tier 1 is what I took issue with |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. As I said upthread, that's a red herring. The OP didn't say anything about tier 1 exclusively. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Oh my. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Your dismisiveness of the rights and lives of GLBT people is on the record. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Actually, I recant my appology. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. What apology? |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Hrm. |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. We're sock puppets. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Well, one puppet at a time maybe? |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #100 |
114. I stand by whatever I said, and you can keep your faux apology. NT |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
125. I stand by "whatever I said" as well. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. After reading post 87 |
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yardwork
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. I think that might be me you're talking about. I know that all queers look alike to you... |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. You didn't post #87...now did you, but hey, any chance to personally attack me...(nt) |
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Donnachaidh
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. the "Fuck You, I've Got Mine" circle of jackals always show up. n/t |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
86. I think it's more a belief that GLBT people are priviliged and need to be taken down a few notches. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. With the addition of the sex thing. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
150. It really is. I never looked at it that way before, but it really does seem to be like that. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #150 |
158. Actual gay bashers - violent ones - almost uniformly express resentment for gays for |
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mondo joe
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Sun Dec-21-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. In fact, gay people will and do die as a result of his sort of homophobia. Enjoy |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
88. Hate speech does lead to gay people being murdered. |
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Umbram
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
117. Do you expect this to occur at |
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Zuiderelle
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #117 |
151. Yes. Legitimizing Warren's belief that gays are pedophiles and criminals does put us at risk. |
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Zuiderelle
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
149. Fuck you. |
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slackmaster
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
111. Warren is opposed to unmarried heterosexuals having sex too |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. It's not just sex. I know it's hard to remember, but gay people care about other things too. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. No one here said otherwise. But Warren says he loves gays. He is fine with gays, so long |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. Actually, some folks on this thread have said otherwise, but not you. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. I hear you, and I reject ALL of Warren's goofy package of religious crapola |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #122 |
154. He doesn't have to have "real power" to have power. Having a world stage that legitimizes him |
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Mon Dec-22-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #154 |
166. I would be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that he won't use that stage to promote bigotry |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Is he against them marrying at all? |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. He has all kinds of wacky religious beliefs that if given force of law would deny people rights |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. Correction: He has no power over you. His "wacky religious beliefs" are the law for the GLBTers. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. He's only one among millions of people who wrongly believe that being gay is a choice |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. He is a megaphone for spreading the lies. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. So did George C. Wallace for most of his political career |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. And the day Warren changes his tune, I'll stop attacking him. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Here we have a fine example of a false dilemma and poisoning the well |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. I'm just not willing to continue debating whether we should work to stop him or not. |
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Mon Dec-22-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #142 |
165. I haven't tried to stop you from doing anything |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #111 |
152. Huge difference. Heterosexuals can get married. And unmarried heterosexuals having sex are also |
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Mon Dec-22-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #152 |
167. I'm not sure that's entirely correct |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
120. Great way to lay out the issue. K&R |
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Sun Dec-21-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
123. "get over it" vs "baby, bathwater, who needs 'em??" |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. It might be slightly easier to end GLBT legal discrimination than to outlaw religion. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Well yeah |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. In that case, the root cause isn't religion. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Well religion is all about control of the people |
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Sun Dec-21-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. As Obama would say, "That's above my paygrade". |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #123 |
157. Oh please. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No, let's just throw out gays. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
147. Warren is the wrong choice, for so many reasons |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
153. K&R |
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Sun Dec-21-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Excellent post. Thank you, varelse. |
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Mon Dec-22-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #153 |
168. Very well said, deserves its own thread. Please consider making it an OP. nt |
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Sun Dec-21-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
160. Wow...wonderfully written! |
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Sun Dec-21-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
161. K&R, excellent... |
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Sun Dec-21-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
162. I said this too. |
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Sun Dec-21-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
163. How odd, the poster "mistakenly" claims one can only have sex after marriage |
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Mon Dec-22-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
164. Nice useful graphic. Excellent argument. |
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Mon Dec-22-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
170. He must have meant it in the overall continuation of the species sense |
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