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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:44 AM
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NYT article on the Kerry/Graham/Lieberman effort
Very interesting article that is less pessimistic than a lot that has been written in the last week. It is NOT overly optimistic, but it does contain some promising things. The biggest is that Rockefeller has clearly moved to being far less antagonistic. Kent Conrad, still not on board, said this of Kerry:

"I'm encouraged by it," said Budget Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.). "Senator Kerry has certainly been good at reaching out. He's been very serious about reaching out. We've been sharing things with him. We have more to share. He's very good at listening, which is the best way of succeeding around here."
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/11/16/16climatewire-senate-climate-bill-faces-narrow-window-for-82097.html?pagewanted=1

(This is not as optimistic as they were in the wake of the Kerry/Graham op-ed.) It also seems like the consensus has shifted on Copenhagen having a treaty. They seemed to thing the 2010 Mexico conference might be more likely.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:36 PM
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1. I am really hoping for something to come from these meetings of the minds,
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 04:36 PM by wisteria
early next year.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 05:45 PM
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2. Really nice editorial in the Las Vegas Sun on the need to keep the momenum
with some very high praise for Kerry.


American representatives in Copenhagen, without direction from Congress, would not be able to speak definitively on any proposed international agreement, world leaders recognized. And, truth be told, without U.S. leadership, there will be no agreement among 192 nations. They need to know the level of U.S. commitment before deciding on their own commitment.

Fortunately, all is not lost. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who has been attending international global-warming summits since 1992, has credibility on this issue with world leaders. He was the chief sponsor of the Senate’s climate legislation and will be leading the U.S. delegation to Copenhagen.

It has been said that if an agreement is not reached in Copenhagen, it will be years before world momentum again builds enough for another try. But Kerry will use his influence to try to persuade the international delegates to keep at it until at least next year, when, we hope, Congress will act on the issue.

Meanwhile, according to a story Friday in The Washington Post, the Obama administration is considering endorsing a limited, short-term climate pact until after Congress clarifies its stance. That would show the world that the U.S. is striving toward a permanent pact.


(they do err in saying there is just a slim majority in the Senate, but the dynamics described are true.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:01 AM
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3. Interesting article that says that Kerry will be "a" main representative in Copenhagen
I don't know the credibility of the source at all, but the article buts the best face possible on the effort. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/25272/
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:58 AM
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4. I'm back to reaching out on Kos (I'm trying a different tact)
RLMiller had a diary about the Webb/Alexander bill, which is for nuclear energy & alternative energy. NOTHING on dealing with CO2. RLMiller remains discouraged, but I engaged in the comments, and I think I changed the conversation at least a little bit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/16/805122/-Clean-jobs-not-a-Democratic-value-for-Senators-Webb,-Reid

Webb has never been good on the environment, and it shows here.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:10 AM
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5. Your comments were great and did in several places change the direction of the conversation
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 11:10 AM by karynnj
It is interesting to see that while Miller is still rightfully concerned about getting a bill - as I think everyone has to be, he has changed back to realizing that Kerry is on the good side.

He also did a great job on posting this information and putting it in context. (I posted one of the articles on DU and had a way too snarky, angry at Webb, tone and it ended up <0. I realize I need to learn from that.)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 12:01 PM
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6. A great article by David Roberts on Grist defending Obama & rightly placing blame where it belongs:
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 12:13 PM by beachmom
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11-17-is-bill-mckibben-right-to-be-angry-with-obama/

Alas, despite the far-reaching powers people tend to ascribe to the U.S. presidency in general and Obama specifically, it seems to me the real culprit is — yes I’m going to say the same thing again, I’m boring! — the U.S. Senate.

Bill says Obama is using the Senate like Bush used China, as an excuse for delay. The analogy is apt insofar as China was out of Bush’s control and the Senate is out of Obama’s. But it’s inapt in that there’s plenty Bush could have done without China and he didn’t; there’s plenty Obama can do outside the Senate and he’s doing it. When it comes to matters under executive branch control, the progress over the last 10 months has been amazing—new fuel efficiency rules, new enforcement of efficiency standards, EPA moving forward on CO2 regulations, energy standards and goals for all federal departments, tons of green stimulus money, national retrofit programs, delay of mining and drilling permits, sustained bi- and multi-lateral international climate diplomacy ... the list goes on. Obama is doing what a president can do—more than any president has ever done.


If I can just interject here, this is the same thrashing Obama received by Joe Klein in Time magazine. That he was wrong to let Congress do its thing. But given the track record of Bill Clinton (who did the opposite and failed on both health care and climate change), I think this was the right tactic. I HOPE it works, but the idea that Obama from the executive branch could order the legislative branch by decree to make Congress pass something is laughable, and I am so tired of people saying that he can do this.

The difference between Clinton’s flamboyant rhetorical pushing and Obama’s relatively laid back style is this: Obama’s still has a chance to work. However frustrating it may be to activists who want bigger words, bolder promises, and faster action, the fact remains that the Dems are within reach of passing a health care reform bill and have at least laid out a path to passing a clean energy bill and ratifying a binding international climate treaty in 2010. It’s too early to deem Obama’s leadership a failure.

Yes: political realities can be changed. The kind of broad grassroots movement that Bill McKibben himself has been so instrumental in creating can shift the tectonic plates. But a crucial step in that process is to accurately identify what and who is blocking progress. It’s not Obama who deserves the ire of the 350 army. It’s Max Baucus. It’s Ben Nelson. It’s Jim Webb. It’s Evan Bayh. It’s the filibuster! These targets are harder to reach and in many ways less satisfying to battle, but they are the real locus of delay and inaction.


Robert links to another article he has written which is also excellent:

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11-02-the-real-reason-the-climate-bill-is-going-to-suck

The real reason the climate bill is going to suck

...

What’s that dysfunction? It’s simple: a supermajority requirement coupled with an extreme, unified minority. Everything else—and I mean pretty much every lamentable feature of American politics —flows out of that. Rich Yeselson puts it in pungent terms: “We are living through the Californiafication of America—a country in which the combination of a determined minority and a procedural supermajority legislative requirement makes it impossible to rationally address public policy challenges.”

Yes, this is a discussion about congressional procedure, which conventional wisdom says will bore everyone. But it’s time you got un-bored, and quick, because nothing else you care about is going to improve until this does.

The stupormajority


Now that I have you all on the edge of your seats, read both articles. I am a big fan of David Roberts, both on Twitter and his articles, as they actually make sense!

Oh, one more excerpt from the end:

Want to know why Sens. Barbara Boxer (Calif.) and John Kerry (Mass.) can’t say enough adulatory things about coal and nuclear and offshore oil drilling? Want to know why billions in pollution allowance value are being dumped on the nation’s dirtiest utilities? Want to know why there are enough agricultural offsets in the bill to make every Big Ag exec rich and help every coal plant avoid the work of reducing emissions for 10 to 15 years? Want to know why a carbon tax would end up with all the same flaws? This is why.

Pick your crappy part of the bill. It’s there because Kerry and Boxer have to get 60 votes and Republicans won’t give them more than a tiny handful, so collecting votes means shoveling handouts to conservative Democrats in hock to the nation’s dirtiest industries.

Want a better bill? Imagine what Kerry and Boxer could put together if they could blow off Nelson and Rockefeller, Conrad and Bayh, Landrieu and Lincoln. Imagine if they only needed a majority, the way legislative bodies in other developed democracies are run; the way the Founding Fathers envisioned our democracy being run; the way common f*cking sense plainly tells us a democracy ought to be run.






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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 12:05 PM
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7. Thanks for the links!
That is plain speaking par excellence and it's hugely refreshing to hear!!!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:13 PM
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8. CSPAN has a fantastic new feature in their archived speeches
I have not looked to see how common it is, but there is the ability now to direct people on how to get to the answer of a question asked in a Q&A. Someone on Daily Kos asked me for a link to stuff I wrote about Kerry saying they were working to prevent speculation on the cap and trade credits.

Here, is the link to the speech - http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/288100-1 Here, under TRANSCRIPT, scrolling down, 53 minutes in was when the question was asked. Clicking there - you get right to that point in the tape. (This is cool as we often have the speech as prepared in text, but he is sometimes best in the Q&A.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 05:04 PM
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9. And more common sense from the New Republic:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/has-the-climate-bill-been-delayed-not-really

Has The Climate Bill Been Delayed? Not Really.
Bradford Plummer

The Wall Street Journal blared the news today that the Senate won't vote on a climate bill until "some time in the spring," according to Majority Leader Harry Reid. Is that a shock? A new setback? Not that I can tell. The reporter, Ian Talley, insists that Reid's words reflect a "weakening political will to tackle a long-term environmental issue," but I don't really see much weakening here.

What's happening is that the health care debate is still gurgling along, so of course everything else is getting nudged back. But the key senators all seem to be proceeding more or less apace on a climate bill. The "tripartisan" talks between John Kerry, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Lieberman are still ongoing, and Kerry has promised to release an outline of the deal before the Copenhagen summit in December. .....

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