True or False: bush's grandfather prescott was a Nazi, Fascist Terrorist

[Philosoraptor]

What? You say grandpa prescott bush wasn't a Nazi? According to w's own standard, he was.

W is always saying that if you support terroritsts and dictators, you are just as guilty as the terrorists or dictators, therefore, if prescott bush supported HITLER HIMSELF, then is he not by w's own standard a Nazi himself?

Now if Clinton's grand daddy had financially supported the Nazis and Hitler himself, do you think that the republicans would have mentioned it in passing?

We need to remind everyone that the bush's rose to financial and political power from the profits made off of SLAVE LABOR AT AUSCHWITZ, and it was inherited by daddy bush and then it's inherited by jr. And if you harbor or support Nazis, you too are a fucking Nazi.

So fuck you Nazi motherfuckers.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2034007

SoCalDem's thread has all the historical facts.

[Greeby]

1. Not only that

But even after his assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act, he continued to do business with Fritz Thyssen (THe coal and steel baron who built the Nazi war machine) until Thyssen's death in 1951.

[Selatius]

5. This is why Fascism has been called Corporatism

Because of industrialists like Fritz.

[FogerRox]

55. 'This is why Fascism has been called Corporatism"

Excatly.

[MetaTrope]

2. If Clinton had given Osama bin Laden CIA training and financial backing

and had his first business venture bankrolled with a couple million dollars from Osama's uncle...what would they be saying?

[SpiralHawk]

3. We'd never hear the end of it

But the FACTS are: Bush family grandpoppy Prescott Bush, and Bush family uncle Walker, were the bankers to Hitler and the Nazies.

The Bush skull & boner clan made a fortune off giving Hitler and the Nazis the money they needed to kill millions, including hundreds of thousands of American citizens.

The FACTS this travesty -- this Bush clan treason -- are beyond dispute.

But because the replicons own the corporate media, we never hear of it -- outside DU.

Republicons do not want to deal with the truth -- not while they are raking in massive oil and munitions war profits from their latest treasonous escapade, and lies about wMD.

[glitch]

48. replicons is my favorite term for them

it makes me think of cloned reptilian con men, perfect fit.

[jmowreader]

72. George Herbert Walker wasn't a "Bush family uncle"

George Herbert Walker's daughter Dorothy Walker married Prescott Bush. Hence, he is Prescott Bush's father-in-law and one of George Walker Bush's great-grandparents.

Which doesn't change the fact that he's still a Nazi.

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Just the money end of nazism ,He was a fascist.

[SpiralHawk]

6. We'd never hear the end of it

But the FACTS are: Bush family grandpoppy Prescott Bush, and Bush family uncle Walker, were the bankers to Hitler and the Nazies.

The Bush skull & boner clan made a fortune off giving Hitler and the Nazis the money they needed to kill millions, including hundreds of thousands of American citizens.

The FACTS of this travesty -- this Bush clan treason -- are beyond dispute.

But because the replicons own the corporate media, we never hear of it -- outside DU.

Republicons do not want to deal with the truth -- not while they are raking in massive oil and munitions war profits from their latest treasonous escapade, and lies about 9/11 and WMD and all the rest.

Why do the Bushes and the republicons hate America?

[pretzel4gore]

7. the flaw in the ointment.....

fact is, most of the ruling class are/were rightwing boors - yes hitler went too far bulldozing kids into ovens etc, but basically his idears were 'sound' in the opinions of the 'filthy few' (an appellation given to bikers who kill similar to what the pig gladly does, or has done in his interest).....the upper class twits seem to have had the most say on history (hushtory, more like it) and their views (ie the 1st class passengers on titanic were heroes, while the poor people were crazed graspers) prevail, and are taught to our kids, who grow up thinking wealth=virtue while poverty = sinfulness, no matter how hard poorly paid work!
it's a sin, but them's the facts, and junyor bush and his pigmedia whores benefit constantly....

[Finder]

8. False--A Nazi is a member of a certain political party.

Fascist or fascist sympathizer would be a better description. Then again just plain old capitalist will do. Capitalists tend to make ties/do business with those who will make them money regardless of politics, ideology, etc.

[Philosoraptor]

9. our pres. says that anyone who supports terrorists IS a terrorist

And prescott supported NAZIS, by bush's own standard, his grandpa is a Nazi. I guess we don't agree.

[Finder]

15. Well this administration or movement is out to redefine words...

for the purpose of confusing society. They have been quite successful.

[Philosoraptor]

16. They've hijacked out language with box cutters

Words used to have totally different meanings till they showed up.

Freedom. Democracy. Compassion. Justice. Freedom. War. Peace. all of our language has been subverted.

[Benhurst]

39. In Prescott's case, we'll have to settle for "fascist," unless

in the unlikely event someone stumbles across his Nazi Party membership papers.

[Philosoraptor]

41. if you support the nazis you don't need membership papers

you are an HONORARY MEMBER FOR LIFE.

[Benhurst]

42. The Bush Crime Family undoubtedly saved by getting permanent

lifetime memberships.

[orpupilofnature57]

51. The good old boy network

[baldguy]

10. No, but he was a supporter.

Sort of like the Saudis with al Queda.

[Philosoraptor]

12. Again, bush says anyone who supports terrorists IS a terrorist

[USA_1]

26. Bushshit Sez ...

True, he and sissy Dick Cheney have fired their first salvos in the 2006 campaign by saying that Democrats are "appeasing terrorists".

But you do believe that this time the Democrats will swing back or will they turn the other cheek and wipe Bush's butt, as they do in every campaign?

[SpiralHawk]

43. Saudis? You mean the Bush clan cronies?

I believe that 19 of the 9/11 hijackers who attacked america were Saudis.

How did George AWOl Bush respond to the Saudis?

With a sweet little kiss -- since, like Bush's republicon oil cronies, they are making Massive Profits from all this horseshit...

[gademocrat7]

11. Very true.

The shrub family cabal is one of the most evil families in the world.

[ixion]

13. A Nazi by proxy, A Facist to the core.

without question, which makes him a 'terrorist' by default.

[Philosoraptor]

14. The grandson of a Nazi terrorist is our leader. Ach tung baby

[mucifer]

17. Lots of DU members are decendents of slave owners .

Does that make these DUers slave owners?

It's a silly arguement. There are probably hundreds of reasons to hate bush. In my opinion this is not one of them.

If granddaddy bush was a nazi, he was a nazi. His grandson could be anything, a nazi, a liberal, an activist for the NAACP. prescott bush's grandson COULD be African American. Did you think about that?

[Philosoraptor]

18. I'm just too silly to argue this point with you.

[salvorhardin]

19. I agree with you

Additionally these sorts of arguments really cheapen the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazis.

[datasuspect]

21. or the atrocities committed by the american family

which gave them aid and comfort.

[Nozebro]

40. I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

WHAT argument are you talking about and how does the fact that Prescott Bush's business was shut down for violating the Trading With The Enemy Federal Laws "really cheapen the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazis"?

Are you saying that we'd all be better off NOT knowing about these things?

[datasuspect]

20. what percentage of current DU'ers have DIRECTLY financially benefitted

from their hypothetical ancestors' supposed slave ownership?

there's the flaw in your analogy.

[mucifer]

25. I have no clue. But, probably some of the wealthier ones.

Many argue that all whites in this nation benefit from slavery. The nation's capital building was built using slave labor.

bush has destroyed this nation in a myriad of ways. I think this is a much more important focus.

That said, I am Jewish and I'm sure prescott bush might love to see me tortured and killed for that. prescott bush should have gone to jail for treason. Now he is dead. But, that doesnt mean anything about his grandson. It would be one thing if george made speeches about how great his granddaddy was. I haven't heard him do that.

[datasuspect]

29. my point: it's an absurd analogy.

and it compares something general and ill-defined (the HYPOTHETICAL number of HYPOTHETICAL current DU'ers in 2006 who are descended from slave owners and the financial benefits they currently enjoy as the result of their ancestors' HYPOTHETICAL slave ownership) to something specific and concrete (the REAL number of current bush family members in 2006 who are descended from prescott bush and the financial benefits they currently enjoy as the result of their ancestor's REAL financial transactions with the third reich and constituent businesses).

[Donald Ian Rankin]

30. No, it's a perfectly valid one.

It's just as concrete a fact that some DUers are descended from slave owners, and profited thereby, as it is that Bush is descended from someone with Nazi sympathies.

There are many good reasons to dislike Bush. What his ancestors did before he was born are not among them.

[datasuspect]

32. "what his ancestors did before he was born are not among them."

kinda cuts bush a little too much slack. hmmmm. you are an interesting one.

we're not talking about distant ancestors, we're talking about a man that was conducting business transactions with the nazis in the not too distant past. ww2 was not 500 years ago.

don't think THAT "bush family value" doesn't inform bush's actions today?

[Philosoraptor]

33. bush & the neo cons are using the Nazi playbook, or I wouldn't complain

[Kingshakabobo]

52. Give me a f**king break.

Bush 2 was born in 1946. His diaper money was purchased with blood money. Bush 1 was born in 1924 - his playboy lifestyle, and subsequent political career, was directly financed with this money. We're not talking ancient history here.

Were talking parents and grandparents so your use of "descendants" is a little misleading.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

63. And you're saying Bush should have complained about his diaper?

I don't believe in collective responsibility, even for Bush.

Condemn him for things that he has done personally, but not for things his grandfather did, or that his father did, or even that his indentical twin clone did.

[JAbuchan08]

24. The apple, however; does not fall far from the tree

Bush *could* be anything he wanted to be, but he obviously is a conservative. These conservative "ideals" were passed along to him from his grandfather through his father. They may have mutated slightly, but it is instructive to see from what strain of conservatism Bush's policies have descended.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

49. "We" are no longer slaveholders, while "they" continue the family business

That's the difference.

[AntiFascist]

61. I would argue that most of us still behave in the tradition of our ....

slaveholding ancestors. We still have low paid servants and workers who, more often than not, are non-caucasian and who are viewed by the higher classes in an inferior way. We can deny this all we want to and we can act like we support their freedoms every which way we can, but much of society still has a long way to go.

I digress, but this upper-class attitude applies particularly well to the Bush family. What were some of Barbara Bush's demeaning comments about the Katrina victims?

[Philosoraptor]

62. Slavery exists openly here, but no one admits it.

Minimum wage is slavery. The 'guest worker program' is slavery.

at the top of the plantation is the bush vampire family

[magellan]

76. Only if they own slaves

Likewise Bush** supports fascism like his granddaddy, therefore he is a fascist like his granddaddy.

[rodeodance]

22. Grandpappy was a banker who did not care who his customers were or

what they did as long as he made $$. I think that is the bottom line.

[malaise]

23. True

and even after they removed links to papers on the subject, it won't change history.

[razors edge]

27. (as W)

Hee Hee, my daddy and his daddy and all their daddys made money the old fasion way, facism!

[Philosoraptor]

28. bush is behaving like Hitler too, so its just all the creepier

[Philosoraptor]

31. if bush wasn't imitating Hitler, I wouldn't hold it against him

I don't hold the sins of the fathers on the sons, unless the sons continue the nazi tradition

[datasuspect]

34. STOP COMPARING OUR GREAT LEADER TO HILTER!!!!!!1111

hitler was an effective public speaker.

(EXCESSIVE QUALIFICATION FOR THE INFERENTIALLY IMPAIRED: the above statement does constitute approval of hitler and third reich, nor should it be construed as condoning hitler's actions in any way. it is a bald statement of fact, as hitler was very effective in arousing the nationalist, racist, and xenophobic sentiments of his audiences).

[Philosoraptor]

35. as soon as he stops behaving like him.

[datasuspect]

36. it was a sarcastic post

i guess i need to come up with a universal sarcasm qualifier too.

[Philosoraptor]

37. not arguing, sort of agreeing in a confusing way

I'm with you

[datasuspect]

38. 10-4

[Triana]

44. Youbetcha...Poppy Headed the CIA, and that's where Junior

learned his dirty little tricks. He INHERITED them right along with the money. Little Nazi MFer. Like others in this thread, I wouldn't say that except that the little beady-eyed ba*tard is imitating HITLER to a tee. He ACTS JUST LIKE HIM.

George Hitler. May sound trite, but it's true. All of it.

[symbolman]

45. How about my classic Flash animation

"Bush is Not a Nazi - So Stop Saying that.."?

Made this puppy over three years ago, back when we were considered visionaries at Takebackthemedia.com :)

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

Enjoy, and turn up those speakers!

[Philosoraptor]

46. Super DUPER master race!

[symbolman]

47. Man you want to really see something wild

watch the DONALD DUCK version of that SONG!

[wordpix2]

69. nice!

[chat_noir]

50. newsclipping

[Spinoza]

53. Whatever Prescott did or didn't do,

his grandson is not responsible in any way, shape of form. Nor is he responsible even if he benefited in some fashion from his grandfather's actions. The concept that we bear ANY moral or legal responsibility for a grandfather's actions is vicious and reprehensible.

I'm sorry but even if Bush's grandfather was HITLER himself, that's not a valid criticism of Bush. Since when do progressives judge someone based on their dead relatives? We don't pick our ancestors and we are not responsible for their actions. Period.

[Philosoraptor]

58. Am I being too harsh on the nazi bush family?

Normally I wouldn't hold the grandfather's sins against w, but jeezuz, think about it dude.

I am ignoring the politeness police these days thanks. Nazis took over my nation, it upsets me a bit.

[NYCGirl]

68. You realize that Joseph Kennedy was a fan of Hitler and also did business

with the Nazis, so what does that say about his sons? Would you apply the same standard?

[Brian Stevens]

74. That has yet to be proven.

Ted denied this.

[Philosoraptor]

75. Did the Kennedy sons grow up to be Nazis?

And attempt to conquer Earth?

[AntiFascist]

59. I'm sorry but if you behaved in the same tradition as your grandfather...

and father, then I would hold it against you. Something to do with both nature and nurture.

[Philosoraptor]

60. That's the whole point, THEY are throwing the word Nazi around

Only this family has this unique nazi connection, yet now they are desperate enough to bring up the past by namecalling, using the victims of the nazi for votes, yet hiding their own nazi past.

[SpiralHawk]

64. "The sins of the fathers will be visited upon the sons for 7 generations"

So are saying that christofascists need bear no responsibility, despite what their Bible and their preacher men say?

Why are your trashing the Bible that George AWOL Bush "claims" to heed?

[SpiralHawk]

66. Seven Generations, dude

Check Herr Bush's Bible on this for the "truth."

Are you dissing Bush's beloved Bible?

What kind of "godless heathen" would challenge commander AWOL's "beloved" Bible?

Are you suggesting that some of the things in the Bible are not true?

Commander AWOL's Homeland Security will want to have a "little" talk with you.



"YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US." - Kommander AWOL

[moondust]

77. What if...

Prescott Bush pocketed a personal fortune for supporting Hitler and put that fortune into the family trust fund which was handed down and later used to fund all or part of the education at prestigious schools, membership in gool ol' boys networks, and eventually U.S. political campaigns of son George and grandson George, in effect paving the road to the White House with Nazi gold? Twice? Doesn't matter where the money comes from? Could the son of a big-name heroin ringleader or mafia don whose fortune has been passed down to his offspring become POTUS if people know whence their family fortune derives?

[PresidentWar]

54. The Bushes are WAY too close to Hitler for making nazi references...

Prescott Bush was not only an ideological supporter of Uncle Addie, his bank was a bankroller for the Hitler European World Tour that started in Gdansk in Sept. 1939 - and was STILL bankrolling the fucker past the time the US had imposed divestiture laws that made it illegal to have financial dealings with an enemy state. In other words, for buck, Prescott was financing the ENEMY.

Additionally, in the J H Hatfield book "Fortunate Son", you can read that GWB himself was quite admiring of Adolf, due to a close relationship with an elementary school teacher who was an unabashed Hitler groupie.

If I were Bushhole, or one of his criminal gang, I wouldn't be throwing around inferences to nazis. That one hits too close to home for them.

[wiley]

56. The Family and their Corporations have a long history of profiting

off of wars, misfortune and conflict. Of course it's true.

[flyarm]

57. watch this movie "Inside Man " Spike Lee directing..

watch closely the last scene of the movie,...behind the bank owner..is a picture of barbara and papa *...it is a major show of connection of the character..by SPIKE LEE

please go get the film..INSIDE MAN...ITS THE NAZI CONNECTION OF PRESTON BUSH...

Spike was brilliant in this! HE IS TYING IT TOGETHER FOR US!! IN ART FORM!

HE IS TELLING THE STORY..

FLY

[bridgit]

65. great movie!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[wordpix2]

70. thanks! Never heard of this movie & I'm getting it today

[flyarm]

71. watch the last scene and see the picture on the desk..its GH and babs

[ktlyon]

67. in fact the Republicans of that day supported Hitler

they loaned him money and sold him stuff
It was the Dems that thought the US should enter the war against Hitler and support our allies.

[Brian Stevens]

73. I'm not surprised