Cruz Bustamante states ,"...I feel sorry for Maria."

[bliss_eternal]

after he was asked for comment about Schwarzenegger's comments. Initially he said, "no comment..." then followed it with "I feel sorry for Maria."

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa looked pissed. He said if the person he spoke of accepted the apology, he guesses that's enough for him. His eyes and look when he made this comment told a very different story. BTW, Villaraigosa has endorsed Angelides.

[Jed Dilligan]

1. What comments? nt

[BeautifulLoser]

4. Racist, Nazish comments

n/t

[bliss_eternal]

6. These comments:

SANTA MONICA, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger apologized Friday for saying during a closed-door meeting that Cubans and Puerto Ricans are naturally feisty and temperamental because of their combination of "black blood" and "Latino blood."

He said the tape-recorded comments "made me cringe" when he read them in Friday's Los Angeles Times.

"Anyone out there that feels offended by those comments, I just want to say I'm sorry, I apologize," Schwarzenegger said. He added that if he heard his children make similar comments, "I would be upset."...

"I mean Cuban, Puerto-Rican, they are all very hot," the governor says on the recording. "They have the, you know, part of the black blood in them and part of the Latino blood in them that together makes it."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2501028

[Jed Dilligan]

9. Thanks, found them

He's pretty stupid, isn't he?

[bliss_eternal]

12. Bigots frequently are...

he tried to say he didn't mean them the way they sound. :eyes: I've never heard a racist apologist not say this sort of thing. He meant them EXACTLY as he said them--he just got caught.

On the tape of the woman (he said the comments about) accepting his apology, it looks so insincere and staged to me. She looks pissed--as well she should be. I can't respect someone that plays politics over holding him accountable for being an asshole.

This is at least the third time he's made racist comments. How many times can someone do the same thing and people not get that this is WHO he is?

[Jed Dilligan]

27. I'm willing to accept some inconsistency

Not to "apologize" for him, but someone who grew up in another time and place can carry old views and new at the same time.

Remember when Bustamante said the "n" word during a campaign speech? The black community was very understanding. Cruz grew up amid poverty and racism in the Central Valley. Mexicans, whites, and blacks are still pitted against each other in those shitty little towns. It was a big flap for a day or so but didn't ultimately affect his support from blacks or white liberals.

The habit of characterizing races and nationalities is very old-fashioned European. Bismarck had a hobby of deciding what gender he thought various countries were. We've seen where this thinking ends up--so its manifestation (in Hitler's countryman, no less) is more disturbing than Bustamante's slip.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that, on better days, Arnold isn't a total Nazi. I don't think he would have had his particular career in Hollywood if his bigotry were absolute and debilitating (by which I mean--he's no Mel Gibson!)

[bliss_eternal]

31. No, I wasn't aware of that...

had I been aware that Bustamante EVER used the n word, he wouldn't have got a post on DU from me.

Just because African American political groups "appear" understanding doesn't mean that constituents or everyday people are.

Other time arguments don't fly with me. Sorry.

There's enough information available and social opportunities for people to challenge their stupid, bigoted beliefs. If they don't--they are just old bigots, with old ideas. Be a bigot apologist if you want. But I'm not ok with it on any level. Again, sorry--but I don't bend on this one. That's not an excuse. That's a reason for his thinking but it's not an excuse.

[Jed Dilligan]

37. Not intended as an excuse

Just practical--you have to give people with these mental problems an out when they slip up. As long as they're trying. Otherwise, you corner them into a position of radical bigotry.

[bliss_eternal]

39. That's your choice...I'm good with radical bigotry.

It's the truth. Why not dwell there?

Why give assholes with mental impairments excuses? He's got just as much available to him as the rest of us, hell...more.

Sorry. Again, I won't give leeway to this sort of creep. You can do as you like. Free world.

[Jed Dilligan]

42. I grapple with this

And always come to the conclusion that people have to be given the chance to change.

Otherwise, as your post makes explicit, you give in to the permanent existence of bigotry.

I would rather hate bigotry than the bigot.

[bliss_eternal]

45. That's fair...

to hate bigotry and not the bigot. Frankly I strive to do the same, but that has nothing to do with calling it what it is.

If someone makes the effort to change that's an entirely different matter, and not what I've been talking about here. I don't like people tip toeing around this and pretending it's something other than what it is. In the process of doing so, you aren't doing anyone any favors either.

You have to recognize the problem before it can be addressed. Inching around it and calling it other names, making excuses and justifications for it doesn't change anything.

What Arnie is doing is not seeking help or change. What he did today is called, covering his ass. Politics plain and simple. He knows it looks bad and he's apologizing. He didn't really take responsibility for what he said if you really listened to him.

Sorry--won't be edging around that Nazi with excuses or validations for "his generation" or "old way of thinking." Dude needs to seek help and say something other than what was said today before he gets a pass from me. IF and when people seem sincere, that's something altogether different. He didn't. Trotting out the woman he talked shit about didn't help either.

I've gone round and round on DU about this very thing. It seems to me that people that don't actually possess any characteristics to have ever been discriminated against have a very different perspective on these things than those that do (women, blacks, latinos, glbt, jews, etc.) That's ok. But they shouldn't be so quick to tell others what bigotry is or what it looks like, or why it exists. They know why it exists--no one needs a damned tutorial on "the roots of racism" thank you very much.

[MzNov]

2. Arnold's true colors are certainly making themselves seen

he's a pig, and I don't mean the cute, smart 4-legged ones.

[senseandsensibility]

3. I don't.

Maria has always known what she was getting into with Ahnold.

[cally]

5. So, what is he doing to support Angelides?

He hasn't done much.

[bliss_eternal]

8. I'm hoping this changes and he steps up his support...

with these comments on record. It's not like it's the first time...:eyes:

(I was quoting what was said in the news report, btw) but I agree. He needs to be more vocal about his support of Angelides and get out there and campaign for him. CA doesn't need this sexist, racist, pos in office another term.

:mad:

[cally]

16. Exactly, too many forget what a sexist, POS Arnie is

I've pretty much resigned myself to Arnie winning but hopefully this will resurect his sexist, racist past and we'll get voters to take a new look. I'm not holding my breath.

[bliss_eternal]

18. I hear you, cally.

I totally understand why you would feel this way, our state doesn't have a good history in terms of voting in it's best interests does it?

I have yet to call the asshole my governor. I didn't vote for him, I voted AGAINST the recall, and have been very vocal about my feelings regarding him.

I think CA women's groups should be all over these comments, as should the NAACP, latino groups, immigrant groups, etc.

[AlCzervik]

10. he lives about 5 streets over from me and no one ever hears a word

about him or from him, he's like the invisible Lt. Governor.

[cally]

17. Have you moved?

Wow, he lives so far from the Capitol? I don't believe it. Probably spends no time in Sacto and just holds that address as pretend one. Yeah, I really don't like him. I hate Arnie but I don't like Cruz.

[bliss_eternal]

19. What about Cruz don't you like...?

I don't know a lot about him. I didn't like how he threw his hat in the ring to run against Davis during the recall. That pissed me off, we needed his support for Davis and against Arnie the Asshole.

But if you have other information on Cruz, I'd love to hear it. I like to be informed. :)

[cally]

33. I don't have any great inside scoop

I just don't like how he didn't support Davis and has not come out in a huge way for Angelides. You know as much as I do about how he supports Arnie. It infuriates me. I want Dem leaders to speak out and support Dem candidates.

[bliss_eternal]

38. According to a post above, Cruz once uttered the "n" word.

that's enough for me to dislike him. :mad: I had NO idea, or I never would have started this thread. :grr:

[cally]

43. I agree...I think he lost his chance for statewide office

during the recall. He's not important anymore.

[AlCzervik]

26. well he has house here, i dunno if he spends anytime here though.

he's lost a good bit of weight.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. He really wants Arnie to win.

If Arnie wins, then Antonio has the inside track for the 2010 democratic nomination.

That would be the only bright side of Arnie winning this year.

[bliss_eternal]

25. Who, Antonio?

:shrug:

[ronnykmarshall]

44. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa

[bliss_eternal]

46. LOL!

Love the picture, ronny! That cracked me up!

[Mojambo]

7. I can't even look at that name without hearing the Gibb brothers singing

"Talkin it up, on the Barry Gibb talk show"

[Brian Stevens]

20. Caaaarruuuuuuuuz Boos tah mon tay!!!!!

nt

[bliss_eternal]

41. Is there a point to this...?

Care to enlighten us?

[Brian Stevens]

52. You never seen Saturday Night Live?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RUvW9ZVxKY

[City Lights]

11. I don't feel sorry for her.

He was an ass when she married him.

[bliss_eternal]

13. True...

apparently love is blind, at least in her case.

[porphyrian]

14. She's part of the problem - she married the fucker. - n/t

[bliss_eternal]

22. True--

there's no way in hell he would have got this far (in politics) if not for being married to a Kennedy.

[Kutjara]

15. So does this mean that Latino blood can be sold...

...as a stimulant? I mean, who needs Starbucks when you can load up an armful of the finest Honduran Red and 'Ay Caramba!' you're firing on all cylinders for the rest of the week. This will be a boon for pasty white men, who's womenfolk will now have the benefit of a hot Latin type between the sheets (without actually having to learn Spanish or anything).

I forsee a booming market in ethnic blood products. Got a big math test tomorrow? Pick up a pint of Sangre de Shanghai on the way. You'll ace it! Finances a bit tight? Download some Scottish claret and you'll be pinching pennies till the cows come home. Big dinner party? Fill a vein with French blood and you'll be whipping up souffles like a pro (when you're not cowering under the kitchen table, that is).

Oh yes, Ahnold, it's all about the blood. Just like another famous Austrian used to say.

[yorkiemommie1]

23. his remarks are not only totally without merit

but they are coarse and crude. pretty much what i'd expect of him.

[Brian Stevens]

24. I don't see the irony of it.

He just said she was hot. Nothing bad about saying Puerto Ricans are hot. Just PC out of control.

[Name removed]

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[Brian Stevens]

29. finally read the story

But the woman in question didn't take offense to it. hmmmm

[goclark]

32. She is a RepubliCON nt

[bliss_eternal]

35. Hey you...

:hi:

[bliss_eternal]

34. She's a politician. You READ the story.

She said what she was asked to say to save face. That doesn't mean she isn't offended. Anyone watching her making the announcement could SEE that she was.

Do you have a point? Or are you just trying to see who you can get a rise out of with your presumptive comments?

[stillcool]

36. ...you mean this woman?...

Bonnie Garcia was elected to the State Assembly in 2002, and is the only Latina Woman Republican in the State Legislature.

She was a key member of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's Transition Team and has been named a delegate to the 2004 Republican National Convention.

[Brian Stevens]

51. I guess I didn't read carefully then

sorry :(

[goclark]

47. Huum, Great Minds think alike

Hi Bliss!

We are on the same track~

[bliss_eternal]

48. We always do, don't we...?

;) Thanks for backing me up, friend--as usual! :hi::pals:

[goclark]

49. Arnold , the Groper,just settled out of court

with one of the ladies that he abused.

I heard that on the news this week.

A tiger doesn't change his stripes and a Nazi still salutes like GW.

[Scout1071]

30. Huh. I knew a Brian Stevens once upon a time.

Forever ago.

[bliss_eternal]

40. similar expressions...?

:shrug:

[UTUSN]

50. Oh, Ma-REEE-ya!!!!!11 Can you HEAR me??????????/ n/t

[WinkyDink]

53. Anyone out there that feels offended by those comments,

That is NOT the expression of an apology; indeed, it is the anti-apology, placing the burden of decency upon the listener.

[bliss_eternal]

54. Thank YOU, WinkyDink! Exactly!

Very well said...! You are astute in the ways of bigotry--good for you! I get so sick of comments like,"...well he's trying. He apologized." That WAS NOT an apology, by any stretch of the imagination.

Arnie is full of shit and the woman that publicly said his apology wasn't necessary has bigger problems as far as I'm concerned.