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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:03 PM
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Turner-Chan War declared. It looks like the White Supremacists are going to get that war
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 01:04 PM by ck4829
That they always wanted.

http://turnerchan.blogspot.com/

I visited this 4chan site, this cyber war of sorts might be escalating to other white supremacist sites such as Stormfront.

The great news is that, so far, it looks like the Anti-Racist forces are giving the Klansmen the thumping of their lives.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:05 PM
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1. What's that blog?
I don't want to click on the link if it's going to take me to Turner's site.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:06 PM
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2. It's a site that is against Turner.
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 01:26 PM by ck4829
From the blog:

"I'm all for the freedom of speech. If Turner wants to be racist, he has every right to be. To speak one's mind without fear of retribution is a part of the foundation and spirit of America. However, when one's words begin to infringe on the rights of others (such as the advocacy of imminent violence) speech is no longer protected."
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:08 PM
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4. Ok, I'll scope it out later. I only have one question...
What took 'em so long? It's not like Turner just started being an ass last week. I know it's about the phone numbers and such, but seriously...
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:19 PM
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5. I don't know what the delay was either, but better late than never
And I agree, it's been way past due, and I think it's time to deal with this menace. 19 attempted terrorist attacks since 9/11, several murders, and just a couple weeks ago we've learned that one of these racist compounds could possibly be tied to the Oklahoma City Bombing.

I'm thinking of seeing what I can do to help beat these racist thugs.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:37 PM
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7. It wasn't over Hal's speech. It was over what looked like threats.
Hal posted phone numbers of pranksters on his website, and it's alleged that he threatened retribution against them. That's what brought on the DoS attacks.

BTW: for those who are laughing, DoS attacks are illegal and unethical. There are better ways to fight.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:42 PM
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9. Yes, these look like threats against MINORS to me:
The ONLY thing any of you are accomplishing is raising the level of brutality I intend to use when I take revenge.

Here is how I will mete out justice according to the action committed:

1) Some of you are going to get the shit beaten out of you.

2) Others are going to be beaten to death, and finally;

3) Others are going to have firebombs thrown through the windows of their houses WHILE THEY ARE HOME and when they - and their families come out, their throats will be cut.

This is the price I will exact for :

1) Harassing my wife (who has nothing to do with my radio show)
2) Recording the harassment of my wife and putting it on the net and
3) Harassing my senior citizen mother.

I am so motivated to to physical violence to these people that I don't even care to state my intentions publicly. Neither cops, nor Prosecutors, nor Judges will be able to stop me.
..

Using the legal system to get their identities is one thing, payback is quite another.

I don't have to win in court, I only need to win out of court.

Street justice. Get it?

..

I meant every word and I absolutely will carry out every word. Nothing on earth can prevent it.

You dare say I put myself in this position? Fuck you. You guys called MY show. You guys Crank Called and threatened MY wife. You guys crank called and threatened my mother.

I didn't start this, but I will God Damned well finish it.

Laugh all you like. We'll see how hard you laugh when my hand is crushing your windpipe and you're drowning on your own blood.


Being a complete dumbass, he then posted a photo he swiped off the Web and claimed that his skinhead friends had beaten up one of those minors.

What if some rightwing freak really does try to do just that?

Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be laughing. But this really couldn't happen to a more deserving target.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:51 PM
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12. I'm not a member of the "hacker community", so I don't know
what is considered unethical or whatnot. What are these "better ways" you speak of?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:54 PM
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14. I have to agree...
they should have simply reported him to the FBI. Of course, they broke the in harassing someone on the phone, though usually the FBI doesn't investigate those crimes. They've got their hands full chasing murderers.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:08 PM
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3. It's not Turner
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 01:09 PM by dave_p
... you are safe
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:33 PM
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6. Here's another site with more information about Turner the Terrorist

The show Turner has now started in September 2000 is a shortwave radio program where he really began to creep out of his shell. When Aryan Nations was involved in the lawsuit filed by Morris Dees that year, in which they lost and wound up bankrupt, Turner was counted as an ally for the White Supremacist group. In fact, his show was advertised on the Aryan Nations website. He also has a website where once he decided to go after the New Black Panther Party in what has got to be the most boneheaded stunt ever. The site features pictures of blacks "gang-raping" a white girl, and Turner states that he has taken these pics from a New Black Panther Party Yahoo! Club page. While he is calling for the media to pick up this story and for law enforcement to step in and go after the Panthers, nothing of the sort has happened. In fact, the validity of Turner's assertions is being questioned because at the time the Panthers have shunned putting up a page of their own, let alone set up one on Yahoo! Furthermore, the pictures turned out to be from an adult website, and when one visited the alleged Panther website other, more explicit pictures not involving rape were also posted. Nothing else ever came from this, and a lot of people started to look at Turner with a cautious eye.

<snip>

In 2003, Turner's hatemongering became more public. He had been featured in newspaper articles and had organized a rally to counter the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride when it made a stop in Liberty State Park in Jersey City, NJ. He also made the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report as one of 40 hatemongers to watch. In the SPLC profile of him, they noted an alleged "illness" that he told listeners to his radio show he was suffering from. This has always raised an eyebrow with people because he would never tell anyone what the illness was, even when he was supposed to have gone to the hospital after suffering a heart attack. SPLC noted that his sickness always seemed to worsen when bills would come due. That would connect another staple in his M.O.: begging his supporters for money to keep his radio show going, fund his IWFR counter-rally, etc. In truth, those who give him money may not be helping his projects along, but rather a very healthy cocaine habit. Turner once alluded to a cocaine problem in the past, well before he became a darling of Nazism, in AOL chat rooms, where he would talk of not only a coke habit, but also having a few homosexual liaisons in his younger days. The liaisons we have never been able to confirm, but his coke habit has become notorious as hell among his new circles. Turner is often seen with fellow North Bergen resident New Jersey Aryan Nations head and reputed drug dealer James Mazzone (a/k/a James McManus). One time they were not together was reportedly on the trip to the 2003 Aryan Nations World Congress in Hayden, Idaho. Turner was supposed to travel with Mazzone, but was allegedly too high and paranoid to make the trip until the next day. This is not the only time his drug habit has caused embarrassment. According to some reports, the heart attack that he was supposed to have suffered was either coke-induced, or a full on overdose. What's more this was supposed to have happened at Mazzone's home, who is reportedly out on bond as he faces drug charges. If all this is true, this would explain the rather odd pattern of behavior that Turner is known for, and it would also make him a risk to anyone around him.


http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=145&Itemid=27

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:37 PM
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8. This is getting really interesting...
it's the first electronic war. I don't mind that, at least people aren't killing each other. If only we could do this with other wars.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:46 PM
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10. yeah, although it was pretty-one sided
Turner the Terrorist never really had a chance.

Shock and awe, babee!

:rofl:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:47 PM
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11. Should we report Turner to the FBI?
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 01:47 PM by originalpckelly
They have a tip website right here:
https://tips.fbi.gov/
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:52 PM
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13. not a bad idea!
although I normally would never ever consider "reporting someone" to the authorities, I could make an exception in this sick bastard's case.

If they are not aware of him already, they damn well should be. He's such a loon that he even hates BUSH for elevating "non-whites" to high positions.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:01 PM
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15. It's not about his political leanings, but because he's just nutty enough...
to go after those kids.

People have the right to spew hate and call me and others awful names, or say that they are superior, but when they make specific threats of violence, that's a whole different ball game. Especially when they are gun toting nuts.

I'm not going to put my own contact info down however, if at all possible. I don't want there to be any chance this nut will go after me.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:39 PM
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16. It was possible to submit an anonymous tip:
Here's what I wrote:
"A extremist white supremacist talk show host has published the personal information of a few youngsters, who prank called his radio show, on the internet. He appears to have done this as an attempt to solicit someone to do bodily harm to these kids.

The kids have hacked his website as well. This appears to be illegal as well.

For further information please visit this blog posting from Mr. Turner with his personal contact information:
http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2006/12/my-web-site-has-been-turned-off.html#comments

I would like to try to remain anonymous, as Mr. Turner seems like a very dangerous violent man. I have not included my personal information because of that."
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:53 PM
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17. But you DID provide your IP address...
...whether you realize it or not.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:58 PM
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18. Unless they correlate their server logs...
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 02:59 PM by originalpckelly
and complaint forms, I doubt they'll be able to tell. But if they call me, it's not like I did anything wrong, I guess I don't really have a problem with them contacting me, it's the whole dude coming after me to kill me thing I don't like.
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