I did an investigation. Now we can impeach.

[BuyingThyme]

Impeachment Investigation

According to U.S. District Judge Henry Floyd, Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen, was illegally detained without charges for three years. A confession has been obtained from the perpetrator. The perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[babylonsister]

1. But that's a crime. Impeachment would be too good and take too long.

:evilgrin:

[Robbien]

2. Let's get us some Blackwater guys to go and snatch the perp

and put him in one of those secret prisons he promised us he closed.

[BuyingThyme]

3. I did another investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (II)

According to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, the National Security Agency illegally monitored Americans in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. A confession has been obtained from the perpetrator. The perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[cool user name]

4. You rock nuts ...

I think I'll do some investigating too.

:D :hi:

[MadMaddie]

5. You are one investigating maniac....let's hope the Dems1

follow your lead....

[cool user name]

6. Three words:

Downing Street Memo

Three more words.

Now we can Impeach. :hi:

[ktlyon]

46. the perp has copped to this one

and several others

[BuyingThyme]

7. I did yet another investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (III)

According to the Government Accountability Office, Americans have been the victims of an illegal propaganda campaign. A confession has been obtained from the perpetrator. The perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[Clark2008]

8. I'm investigating how to do quote boxes.

What's the code. It's not the same here as it is on other boards I'm on.

[BuyingThyme]

10. Like this:

[div class="excerpt"]Text[/div]


On edit, this is the format for impeachment investigations:

[div class="excerpt"][center][font
size=3][b]Impeachment Investigation (##)[/b][/font][/center]

text

End[/div]

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[Hissyspit]

11. I'm investigating how to type in HTML commands to a post without their actually

doing the function commanded.

[BuyingThyme]

14. There are two checkboxes above the subject box.

Click the top one.

[Hissyspit]

16. Oh, yeah. Forgot all about those!

:crazy:

[Clark2008]

20. Thank you!

[BuyingThyme]

9. Cool User Name and I did an investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (IV)

According to a secret document, apparently a product of Ten Downing Street, George W. "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” The perpetrator of this alleged war crime has refused to comment on the document. The alleged perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[LynzM]

15. Brilliant.

We ought to publish these as a full-page ad.

Or print to 8.5x11 and distribute freely.

[The Witch]

51. I'd contribute money to get this in the papers.

anyone else?

[BuyingThyme]

12. I did still another investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (V)

According to George W. Bush, one George W. Bush ordered one Richard Cheney to selectively release highly classified information in the interest of discrediting one Joseph Wilson. Bush's scheme led to the outing of a covert CIA operation. As indicated, a confession has been obtained from the perpetrator. As indicated, the perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[wildbilln864]

18. we need one done on...

9/11/01!
MIHOP!
:hi:

[Hissyspit]

13. Hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee...

hee, HEE, hee...

heh.

[BuyingThyme]

17. I did another one of those investigations. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (VI)

According to General Janis Karpinsky, a torture policy was implemented by people at the highest rungs of the Bush administration. The person at the highest rung of the Bush administration is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[wildbilln864]

21. Sibel Edmonds!

:think:

[wildbilln864]

22. Able Danger!

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

23. Hello!?

Dr. Steven Jones!

[Gregorian]

19. Nifty. We can save Congress a bunch of time by doing these.

What about Dick Cheney?

Something about outting a covert CIA by the name of Valerie Plame.

I knew we could do this without spending billions of dollars.

[BuyingThyme]

24. Wildbilln864 and I did an investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (VII)
According to one-time counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, one-time CIA director George Tenet approached one George W. Bush on June 21, 2001 with a “hair on fire” indication that "something is going to happen." Bush did nothing in response to that warning. Nothing was done to protect the American people. Nothing was done to prevent the attacks of September 11, 2001. Nothing was done to prevent the event which provided the pretext for an illegal invasion of Iraq. (See IV).

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[wildbilln864]

27. Thanks! And you know....

:yourock:

[Imagevision]

25. Until all of the hard evidence is investigated and collected? Bush stays unimpeached!!

and nothing will change this, no website, no hearsay nothing but sworn statements and hard verified evidence, it's interesting to note that Waxman plans to go after Condi Rice for openers...

[BuyingThyme]

28. Most or all of the evidence provided here has been provided

under oath or equivalent.

[GOTV]

55. Most? doubtful. Certainly not all.

One of your "investigations" relies on a leaked document, the downing street memo. Its validity was now sworn to under oath. I believe that's a problem with much of your "investigations".

Besides their reliance on hearsay, another problem your "investigations" have is they are old allegations that have already failed to incite a large majority of Americans to demand impeachment. We need either new information, or we need these items to be more thoroughly presented to the American people.

Your "investigations" are not getting us to either goal by being posted here on DU, where we already agree Bush deserves impeachment.

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. WE cannot impeach. Only the House of Representatives can impeach

[BuyingThyme]

29. The key word is REPRESENT.

[Disturbed]

31. Now that the Investigations are complete it is time to

Impeach Bush and Cheney.

[FogerRox]

30. I love it..

[shance]

32. LOL Thyme**** Well done my friend!!

A round for everyone on the house and a promotion for you!!

:toast:

[brer cat]

33. What a great thread!! n/t I just can't add to this!

[nicknameless]

34. More grounds for impeachment

Katrina murders
Signing statements (Blatant confession that he would be breaking those laws)

Outstanding thread!
BuyingThyme, :yourock:

[BuyingThyme]

35. Nicknameless and I did an investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (VIII)

According to a report by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service, one George W. Bush is using signing statements to expand executive power to the detriment of Congress by means which are “generally unsupported by established legal principles.”

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one with Nicknameless.

[BuyingThyme]

36. Nicknameless and I did another investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (IX)

According to documents obtained by the Senate Homeland Security Committee, one George W. Bush, at 1:47AM on the day Hurricane Katrina struck, was notified that the levees in New Orleans would likely be breeched. The evidence shows that Bush made no reasonable efforts to prepare for the flooding which resulted in the death and injury of thousands of Americans. The evidence further shows that Bush vacated his duties altogether. In his defense, Bush insists he never received any such warnings about levy breech. But a leaked White House video recording has since provided conclusive evidence to the contrary.

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[porphyrian]

37. But that word is scary! It takes too long! There's not enough support!

Sure, it's the Constitutionally-defined method of dealing with this traitorous administration and their utter disregard for the laws they're sworn to uphold, but it's just a political solution! Speaker Pelosi said it's off the table! It will hurt the 2008 candidate! It's better if we give up now!
</lameExcuses>

[GOTV]

56. Name the 67 Senators that will vote to convict.

Until you can do that, we've not done our homework and we will fail.

What's lame is our unwillingness to work to defend the constitution. We rush to impeachment and trust it has magical powers to protect us. It doesn't.

You choose the thrill of impeachment over protecting the constitution.

Lame.

[porphyrian]

59. Do you know any other tunes at all?

For fuck's sake, ALL of them will vote to convict by the time we actually get to that point. Get over your irrational fear already and do something constructive.

[GOTV]

60. It's the only song that matters right now.

You claim, but give no evidence to back your claim, that you will have 100 Senators by the time the trial.

If you don't have 67 now, and you're not willing to do the investigations to get new information, then exactly what will convince the rest of the Sentors to go along? Especially since most polls last year showed only minority support for impeachment.

NO Senator should be counted on to vote against his party AND against the wishes of his constituents at the same time.

Therefore, at this point, I see no more than 50 votes at best (I don't count on Lieberman).

Constructive is calling for hearings. Silly is demanding your grade before doing your homework.

I take this seriously. It's not a cute game.

[porphyrian]

61. Patronize all you want, robot. - n/t

[yodermon]

66. you are Absolutely Wrong.

See post 64.

Make the crimes Easy to Understand and there will be Overwhelming Demand for *'s head.

[GOTV]

108. Then DO that. Until you do, there's no sense to Impeachment.

When you say "Make the crimes Easy to Understand and there will be Overwhelming Demand for *'s head." I assume you are conceding that there is currently no "overwhelming demand" for impeachment. Then it should be clear to you that we need to do SOMETHING before impeachment to develop that demand.

I call that "something" investigations. Perhaps you call that "something" "Make the crimes Easy to Understand".

In either case, we both agree, that there's something that needs to be done before a successful impeachment can be had.

[ellisonz]

38. This is Saddam trial type justification.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is the constiutional standard, to me that means you need a thorough Congressional investigation w/evidence, then you get the lawyer types to draw up the resolution. Remember it takes 67 Senate votes to convict and you aren't going to get that w/Jose Padilla. Are we Democrats or Republicans?

I want him for the whole damn dirty shame and not just a bit of it...

Cut the semantics, and think.

:think:

:hide:

[BuyingThyme]

40. When they took Padilla's rights, they took your rights.

[ellisonz]

41. I dunno, I don't think I'm in a brig. *Looks around*

Daniel Webster spoke the following words in a time of great crisis in this democratic republic of ours:

When my eyes shall be turned to behold for the last time the sun in heaven, may I not see him shining on the broken and dishonored fragments of a once glorious Union; on States dissevered, discordant, belligerent; on a land rent with civil feuds, or drenched, it may be, in fraternal blood! Let their last feeble and lingering glance rather behold the gorgeous ensign of the republic... not a stripe erased or polluted, nor a single star obscured, bearing for its motto, no such miserable interrogatory as "What is all this worth?" nor those other words of delusion and folly, "Liberty first and Union afterwards"; but everywhere, spread all over in characters of living light, blazing on all its ample folds, as they float over the sea and over the land, and in every wind under the whole heavens, that other sentiment, dear to every true American heart,— Liberty and Union, now and for ever, one and inseparable!

Daniel Webster (Second Reply to Hayne)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Webster

You can't rush the impeachment process, when that happens mistakes are made. Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for fun and parody of the administration on this site...But I'm just saying, this is serious business and I don't think the Democrats deserve half the grief they get on this site, and especially as of late. Especially since Dean took over...

A half assed impeachment process would tear the country apart and I am not prepared to take that risk when the new Democratic Congress has yet to convene for even 1 week. You may disagree, but you must understand that those here who urge moderation and caution in action have their reasons, and they are pure and good.

I think we actually need to be thorough and let the Democratic Congress do their job. They are trying to represent the whole country as a body and frankly that is true patriotism.

[ktlyon]

48. I took his post seriously and thought it was brief and to the point

I like way the poster laid it out clear and simple, any rethug can understand it, they might deny it but it is out there.
No we can't rush it but we must start it, it is all about justice our democracy depends on it

[ellisonz]

50. I'm raining on the parade...

Because when it rains, gardens grow.

Patience is a virtue, and the Democratic Congress is virtuous and many here seem to have a problem with that.

I'm not attacking the OP, I'm making an important point that cannot be overstated IMHO.

:toast: to the Congress!

[GOTV]

57. It HAS been started. Impeachment is the last step. Not the first...

... as so many impatiently assume.

[Usrename]

43. Treason or Bribery are the standards.. EOM

on edit>

crimes against humanity and other war crimes are HIGH CRIMES!

[ellisonz]

49. Your right, but so is "other high crimes and misdemeanors."

Maybe so but we still have a Constitution that requires 67 votes to convict. Impeaching alone does nothing unless you get a conviction, not to mention its divisive as hell. People who say 2 years to investigate are putting everybody on. The Dems have a litany of hearings coming up, who knows what happens? It's entirely possible Cheney could be gone by the start of summer and Bush by the end of it; patience is a virtue.

I love how we underestimate the Democrats before they've even had a chance and then act like a lynch mob before the dust has even settled. I want this done right, not rushed. What's the point of impeaching if you don't get a conviction? Right now we'd be lucky to get 40 votes in the Senate.

I don't like it anymore than you do, but that's life.

Investigate, Inform, Impeach, Convict.

:dem:

[Usrename]

74. At least we can try to figure out who the good guys are.

Many in Congress wholeheartedly support fascism (or Empire, or corporatism, or whatever nice PC face you want to put on it). This is not a Dem or Rep issue. Not at all, as many elected Dems actually support the whole Bush doctrine in every detail. The swearing in of Alito should be informative on this point.

Those that oppose this doctrine must be allowed to stand up. They are the people who are correct, and they should be the folks leading BOTH parties, not the other way around. I don't see any other way for this to happen, other than through impeachment. Now.

And for the others, those that support this doctrine, no mercy, ever!

[BuyingThyme]

39. I just finished a tenth investigation. Now we can impeach.

Impeachment Investigation (X)

According to the Pentagon, the U.S. military used white phosphorus “as an incendiary weapon” against the people of Iraq. White phosphorus, as an incendiary (chemical) weapon, is banned by international law. A confession has been obtained from the perpetrator. The perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Have you guys done any other investigations?

I'm working on another one.

[puebloknot]

42. There's a guy named Conyers in D.C. He may be in the book!

I heard he spent a lot of time down in a basement digging up dirt on that godly guy, George Bush.


And here are links to journal entries by DU’s UnderstandingLife on this timely topic:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/understandinglife/790

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/understandinglife/789


Good for your. Your little joke isn't a joke at all!

[calimary]

44. Very good!!! A keeper! Simplicity par excellence!

A keeper!

:thumbsup:

[annabanana]

45. The entire length of his administration is

one long impeachable offense. He only ascended to the position as the result of a coup.. carried out in broad daylight, with the complicity of the Supreme Court....

[Vidar]

47. You have my vote.

[yodermon]

52. I did an investigation too! Now we can impeach!

Impeachment Investigation (XI)

According the Supreme Court of the United States, the military commissions set up by the Bush administration to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay "violate both the UCMJ and the four Geneva Conventions."

The Geneva conventions, being a treaty ratified by Congress, and being the "supreme law of the land" according to the U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section VI, have been violated. A confession has been obtained from the perpetrator. The perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

End

Wow these are Fun and Easy!

[BuyingThyme]

67. Wow! That is a fantastic investigation.

:patriot:
:toast:

[GOTV]

53. Did your investigations convince 67 Senators to convict? If not, keep investigating.

That's the magic number you need to reach before an impeachment can be successful, meaning, results in removal from office.

Oh, it might help if the general public saw your investigations - not just DU. We're already convinced.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

54. Unfortunately, Since Your Investigations Carry No Weight In Reality, I Guess We Will Still Have To

wait for legitimate and thorough congressional investigations, and take it from there.

[GOTV]

58. It was cute though n/t

[yodermon]

64. Actually, instead of casting aspersions, how about joining in?

The point is that the crimes of the * admin are legion, easy to identify, and easy to describe & encapsulate in simple & straightforward language.

That process is necessary to get through the thick skull of the average Corporage-Media watching Joe who thinks that impeachment would "just be revenge for Clinton" or some such mealy-mouthed bullshit.

Most "we must impeach!" posts are multi-page treatises, if not 200+ page legal documents, all of which goes over most people's heads.

And yes, the need for Congressional investigations are absolutely still there. This thread just underscores how fucking easy it will be to actually DO these investigations!

As Henry Waxman said, “The most difficult thing will be to pick and choose.”

:toast:

Capisce?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. How Bout Allowing Congress To Do Investigations First?

And no, I am not going to join in with the reckless, cart before the horse, silly and unrealistic impeachment ramblings. I prefer legitimacy and reality.

[yodermon]

68. Are you serious?

Do you really don't think we should be discussing why * & cheney should be impeached?

Do you really think that posting capsule-sized, easy-to-digest summaries of their crimes on the Democratic Underground will somehow hinder the Congress' ability to Do Investigations?

Do you really think that threads like these somehow magically obviate the Congress' investigatory power by virtue of their "recklessness" and "cart-before-the-horsiness"?

Do you really think that the enumeration of their crimes -- as best as we can divine from the public record and not having Congressional subpoena power ourselves -- are "Silly, Unrealistic Ramblings"?

Really?

You're weird.

[heldmyw]

71. Free speech... and all that

is a fine thing, and guaranteed by numerous documents that underpin our political system. Enjoy them to the fullest.

Just be aware that this line of simpleton 'wannabe lawyer' ranting appears more than just a little unhinged.

Don't believe? This thread is the subject of much levity over at the reprehensible Dummie Funnies, and being held up to common ridicule is hardly the place to appear if you wish to be taken seriously.

Impeachment is a serious matter, and self-taught know-alls who imagine that there aren't some pretty serious minds harder at work than "I did an investigation, now we can impeach".

Discuss, suggest, enjoy. Just don't make an a$$ of all of us.

[porphyrian]

73. People can only make asses of themselves.

I'm not sure who you think you're speaking for with the "all of us," but I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from trying to speak for me. I don't give a fuck what other people think about our conversations.

[Usrename]

76. Do you mean we should use smaller words?

So that the Freeptards can keep up with us?

Is that what you are saying?

Or are you saying that no crimes have occurred?

Just what, specifically, is your problem?

[BuyingThyme]

78. I think he's asking us to go to Free Republic

to see what he wrote.

[BuyingThyme]

77. Welcome to DU, heldmyw!

Can you cite one example of "unhinged"? Is "unhinged" when citizens participate in government?

BTW: Are you one of those "serious minds" I supposedly dismissed? I don't even remember writing about you, but if I have, please provide a link so I can refresh my recollection.

:hi:

[yodermon]

79. What are you even talking about?

There have been numerous, voluminous postings & writings by real life scholars and constitutional lawyers making very detailed and convincing cases for impeaching the shrub. Hey look! here are 4 I found in about 3.2 seconds:

1)"Impeach the President: The Case Against Bush and Cheney" http://www.amazon.com/Impeach-President-Case-Against-Cheney/dp/1583227431/sr=8-1/qid=1168369986/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-4034995-0726832?ie=UTF8&s=books
About the Author: Dennis Loo, Ph.D. is an Associate Professor of Sociology at Cal Poly Pomona. He graduated with honors from Harvard in Government and received his Ph.D. from the University of California at Santa Cruz in Sociology. He has been a journalist, including as a Photo Editor at the Harvard Crimson and an Associate Editor at the Hawaii Observer.

2) "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office" http://www.amazon.com/Case-Impeachment-Argument-Removing-President/dp/0312360169/sr=8-2/qid=1168369986/ref=pd_bbs_2/105-4034995-0726832?ie=UTF8&s=books
About the Author: DAVE LINDORFF is a journalist for over three decades who has written for numerous publications including, BusinessWeek, Salon, and The Nation. He's also the author of three books, This Can't Be Happening!, Killing Time, and Marketplace Medicine. BARBARA OLSHANSKY is the Director Counsel for The Center for Constitutional Rights who is currently managing habeas litigation on behalf of 300 detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.

3) "Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush" http://www.amazon.com/Articles-Impeachment-Against-George-Bush/dp/1933633085/sr=8-5/qid=1168369986/ref=pd_bbs_5/105-4034995-0726832?ie=UTF8&s=books
About the Author: Founded in 1966 by attorneys defending civil rights activists in the South, the Center for Constitutional Rights is one of America's most prestigious collectives of constitutional lawyers and experts.

4) "George W. Bush Versus the U.S. Constitution: The Downing Street Memos and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, Coverups in the Iraq War and Illegal Domestic Spying" http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Versus-U-S-Constitution/dp/0897335503/ref=pd_sim_b_4/105-4034995-0726832
Author: John Conyers, Jr. whom if you need a bio on him you are definitely on the wrong message board.


So as you can see, just a bunch of simpleton wannabe lawyer rantings here. And we're supposed to be worried because this thread's 3 line summary capsules of the various reasons for impeachment are making the freepers twitch & spew?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[porphyrian]

80. Didn't you hear that we're supposed to change our minds if they laugh at us?

They get to define facts and control our behavior, see?

[BuyingThyme]

81. I think the only reason he posted to this thread was

to get us to go over to FR to see what he posted over there. He's basically saying, "What I said here is true because I also said it over there."

With Chad, Gannon, and the Stupidest FR Ever, they're getting a little too cautious with their hits, so they don't even include links anymore. But that just makes them even more conspicuous.

I guess nobody wants to be pegged as stupid, a terrorist, or a lying White House prostitute.

[Stephanie]

97. Who is this "us" you speak of?

Which "us" would that be?

[Usrename]

75. Gotta keep that powder dry!

:eyes:

[Stephanie]

99. There's no point in explaining humor to the witless

It's kind of you to try, though.

[Lilith Velkor]

62. Cute. n/t

:thumbsup:

[crickets]

63. Great job, BuyingThyme!

:patriot:

[EstimatedProphet]

69. Good! Keep doing them and we can impeach!

[porphyrian]

70. Aren't there more? I'm blanking at the moment. - n/t

[byronius]

72. BuyingThyme is making a clear point.

We are living in Absurdity. American law and custom have been utterly breached and proven to be useless in the face of electronic election fraud and dedicated conspiracy to use the highest offices in the land to loot, murder, and otherwise utterly destroy and make meaningless the already-pockmarked Standard American System.

If George Bush raped and ate a child on national television, and then threw the carcass at the camera, all the while smiling, it seems from the tide of recent events that 1) Democrats would be blamed, 2) American media would strive to look on the bright side, 3) many discussions would be held regarding the logical mechanisms for redressing such an act, and whether or not the redress would be opportune or politically viable.

Meanwhile, GW would just have a big bloody grin on his face.

Sort of like he does now.

Absurd. We are an Absurd Nation. I hope we grow past this.

That being said, Buying Thyme's post was Tom Paine-ish, very funny, and very sobering at the same time.

Who are we anyway? (Munch, munch)

[GOTV]

109. OK. Then you understand why there is work to do before impeachment.

Since Bush has yet to devour a live child it's easy for the American people to overlook his crimes. And since the American people are overlooking is crimes and simply disapproving of his performance, their Senators will not be compelled to convict no matter how many claims you make during the trial.

1st we need to make the case to the American people until THEY want impeachment, then we get the Senators in line the we set the gears in motion fairly confident of the outcome.

[byronius]

111. I'm a total devotee of investigation before impeachment.

I think BuyingThyme is pointing out, as Waxman and Conyers themselves have done, that the investigations into most of the impeachable offenses is not exactly the X-files or CSI; more like walking around and picking up incriminating articles left lying around by the hubristic and arrogant GOP.

[GOTV]

113. Oh, OK, I wasn't sure. Consider this in addition though....

... I agree there's a lot of bad stuff already known that has just not sunk in with the American people yet. And that information made it into the light of day with a totally complicit congress.

Now that there's a real opposition congress... imagine the fire we may find given the quantity and blackness of the smoke now that we have subpoena power and all.

It might not really be a matter of convincing the people that crimes they've already overlooked are really important, it might be there's a jaw dropper just beneath the surface that might be all the evidence we need.

[byronius]

118. Jaw Droppers indeed. I'm sure of it.

The stuff they've flaunted is so patently criminal, it's a sure bet they're hiding truly egregious acts.

If not child carcasses.

[lies and propaganda]

82. im currently investigating katrina.

and now Im done.

Impeach, Indict, Imprison these worthless, evil fucks.

[BuyingThyme]

107. Top rate investigation.

Thanks so much for putting this together.

:hi:

[earth mom]

83. You said it! The Investigations are DONE! Time to IMPEACH! eom

[LSK]

84. I did an investigation. Now we can impeach

According to the news the past weekend, contrary to the new law the President signed, the President released a signing statement that he can read your mail. A confession has been obtained from the perpetrator AND SIGNED. The perpetrator is one George W. Bush.

[BuyingThyme]

89. Oh, yes. Your investigation brings us up to date.

Congratulations to you and your staff.

[LSK]

101. Indeed it does, but there is always tomorrow with these guys

Who knows what crimes and misdemeanors they are planning this very minute.

[Dr Fate]

85. I did one 4 years ago where I found out he presented forged & fake evidence to the U.N.

It turns out he made all that crap up about the WMDs and scared the crap out of everyone into supporting his multi-billion dollar, endless war.

Turns out that the effort to fool the public into thinking Saddam caused 9/11 was a lie too.

It was the result of a tireless investigation that I did with "google" and 15 minutes of my spare time.

If the cowards in congress dont find these lies to be grounds for impeachment, then I have a used blue dress to sell them.

[BuyingThyme]

91. Wow! Thanks for investing so much time in your

impeachment investigation. Your attention to detail will surely sway the fence sitters.

BTW: I think it should be a red dress.

[Dr Fate]

92. Yes- way too many fence sitters still believe Iraqis will drop the WMDs on us any day.

;)

[ddbaj]

86. This topic totally misses the point.

The point of investigations is to get a degree of outrage so large that it would force a large number of GOP members to vote for removal. Without removal impeachment is not worth it.

[Dr Fate]

88. If DEMS would commit 100% to these investigations, the point would not need to be made.

You would see less cynical posts about "investigations" if we could get 100% commitment from DEM leaders that they will start ASAP.

I think the OP feels that all the "talk" w/o 100% commitment to no-hold-barred, "under oath" investigations seems like foot-dragging- and I agree with that.

Instead of a commitment to defend the constitution- we get internal talking points like "Keep your powder dry" and external ones like "off the table"- so I can see why the OP would write a post like this and why it does not miss "the point" at all.

[mvd]

87. I get what you are saying. Well done.

The general argument for impeachment isn't that complicated IMO. It will be harder to get the Congress to investigate certain things than it would be to get impeachable evidence.

[Dr Fate]

90. Here is a really complicated one: "Bush lied us into the war with his WMD propaganda-a high crime."

Takes approx 4 seconds to say and every Joe Six-Pack & Soccer Mom "swing-voter" in the nation already agrees with it 100%.

The excuse makers and "Keep your powder dry" nail-bitters in the DEM party are dishonest with us about how we cant fight Bush almost as much as Bush himself lies about everything else.

[mvd]

95. True

Or, "Bush exercised criminal negligence in not getting so many people in New Orleans to safety."

[Dr Fate]

96. "Bush lied about his Katrina response on may occasions. Lying is still impeachable, right?"

It is much more easier to frame, explain and follow through than any of the frightened, "Dry Powder" DEMS would have us believe.

[mvd]

98. And people died because of his lie. No one died..

because of Clinton's lie.

[nicknameless]

104. Far beyond bush's refusal to act to protect NOLA residents,

was the organized and relentlessly-determined TURNING AWAY of rescuers.
Those who tried to help the victims, who tried to rescue or deliver aid, were systematically turned away.

This RESCUE PREVENTION was too consistent to be anything other than an order from the highest level (bush).

[mvd]

121. The more we can add, the better

Looking over all the evidence would make me scream, it is so bad.

[porphyrian]

93. I love logging on to see half of the threads are about impeachment. - n/t

[jelly]

94. Thanks, this thread made me laugh

which is a useful thing when you're like me and trying so hard to keep from crying all the time.

[BuyingThyme]

105. I know what you mean, Jelly.

:hi:

[Stephanie]

100. K&R

And a big can of Troll-Be-Gone for you, Buying Thyme! Use it liberally! :hi:

[rosesaylavee]

102. Great job, BT.

I think it important to continue to stir the pot on this topic. Your concise list makes it easier for those needing talking points. Give my regards to your staff. :) They have outdone themselves and deserve a raise. :toast:

[BuyingThyme]

103. I totally agree with everything you said, Rosesaylavee.

:hi:

[MoseyWalker]

106. I'm thinking

we need a devastating war, and the subsequent dismaying aftermath, before anyone gives a damn.

peace.

[Nederland]

110. Question

How direct is the connection to Bush? Have you found actual documents with his signature on them? If not, I'm afraid you won't get very far with impeachment.

[BuyingThyme]

112. What, video tapes of him telling you he's above the law

aren't enough?

What evidence are you missing?

Well, to answer your question, yes, the direct connections have been made. (Arguable exception with the Downing Street Memo.)

[Nederland]

114. Awesome

Are the videos on YouTube?

[BuyingThyme]

120. Probably. Or you can just watch the news,

or read some newspapers.

[onenote]

115. small problem with your investigation

It hinges on the finding of a district court judge that Padilla's detention was unlawful. But that decision was overturned by the 4th circuit and the scotus affirmed. Now I think that those higher court rulings were wrong. But I seriously doubt you're going to see any one in Congress declare that an overturned lower court ruling is grounds for impeachment.

[GOTV]

117. There's a lot of "noise" like that in all these "IRREFUTABLE LIST OF BUSH CRIMES!!!!" posts.

[BuyingThyme]

119. The court found that Bush had the right to detain enemy combatants

who were U.S. citizens, but it did not rule on the fake charges Bush made up in order to illegally detain Padilla.

And the Supreme Court avoided ruling on whether or not Congress has the authority to give Bush these powers in the first place (which they, of course, do not, as they violate habeas corpus).

[TZ]

116. three words

Love the idea of impeachment except for three little words: President Dick Cheney:hide:

[nicknameless]

122. If you'd like to expand your grounds for impeachment

around Katrina, see post #104.

Rescue and relief *prevention*

Two babies died in the Superdome due to dehydration.
WalMart trucks, carrying water to people stuck at the Superdome, were turned away.
Others at the Superdome died from other causes which may have been preventable, had rescue and relief been allowed.

People who could have been transported out on turned-away rescue boats, drowned inside of or on top of their homes, etc.

[Zhade]

123. Kick to wake up the anti-impeachment cowards.

Anyone who says investigations must come first is either a liar or ignorant, because investigations are the first step in the impeachment process!