BUSH-ABRAMOFF PHOTO SHOWS THE PRESIDENT TO BE A LIAR

[Dems Will Win]

Bush said he never met Abramoff. This photo is from a December 2003 affair at the WH.

As we saw as recently as last Friday, the Bush Administration has gone to great lengths to prevent any access to information documenting a relationship with Jack Abramoff. But that relationship exists. CREW was provided a photo of President Bush and Jack Abramoff taken at a campaign fundraiser in December 2003. The White House did not want anyone to see this photo. So, that begs the question: What else are they hiding?

http://blog.citizensforethics.org/node/478


WASHINGTON - A liberal watchdog group published on its Web site Monday a picture of President Bush and imprisoned lobbyist Jack Abramoff, the kind of photo the White House has refused to release.

The picture was taken at a campaign fundraiser in December 2003, according to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. It was taken by a private photo contractor who posted it on a Web site, but then was removed before it made it into distribution, said Melanie Sloan, CREW's director.

A previous photo of Bush and the disgraced lobbyist surfaced last year, but Abramoff was in the background, slightly blurry.

"This is the one they didn't want you to see," Sloan said.

Kim Eisler, Washingtonian magazine writer and a friend of Abramoff's, confirmed the photo's authenticity for The Associated Press. He said he had seen the picture at Abramoff's house.

The White House did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

Abramoff helped raise more than $100,000 for Bush's 2004 re-election campaign. He is serving nearly six years in prison for a fraudulent Florida casino deal and is cooperating with the FBI in a bribery investigation involving members of Congress and the Bush administration.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16532577/

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[aquart]

1. Dog Bites Man

[MadMaddie]

2. What's new?

The question is how do we force the media to show theAmerican people?

[Bobbieo]

5. I have another photo of Abramoff in the background for a ceremony

with Bush shaking hands with a Kickapoo Indian Tribal chairman. The chairman submitted the photo.

[NYC]

14. I've seen that one.

I think I also have a copy of it. :)

[seemslikeadream]

3. Jack was such a busy boy

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[Dems Will Win]

kewl list!

[uppityperson]

4. But he didn't "meet" him. Depends on what your definition of "met" is.

:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

6. K&R!

Republican Lobbyist Jack Abramoff was much thinner then. He must have been fed a lot of pork by the repukes.:)

[Oilwellian]

29. Don't forget....

he owned a trough. :D

[connecticut yankee]

30. Kosher pork?

[Raksha]

48. As an Orthodox Jew, Jackie boy isn't supposed to eat pork.

Remember? Guess he conveniently forgot about that too!

[onecent]

7. K & R. n/t

[EllenZ]

8. Have 2 problems with this

1)As many people each day pose with the prez, I can see him not remembering one out of thousands.

2)Look close at the shadows on the faces in the picture, looks different to me on each face, someone needs to hone their Photoshop skills.

If you want to decry the prez, use something he can not deny, like the WMDs that we have yet to find in Iraq.

[wakeme2008]

10. This is posted on MSNBC and I sure they check

for a photoshop.

:)

[EllenZ]

12. Tell that to

NBC. Remember all those documents Tom showed that turned out to be fake and cost him his job? MSNBC are the same people who let that get by them.

[originalpckelly]

20. Yeah, that was CBS and Dan Rather...

:eyes:

[Sydnie]

21. Tom Who? What documents would those be?

I don't have the faintest idea what the hell you're talking about. Honestly.

[Shakespeare]

26. I just love the marginally informed.

Y'all are SO entertaining. :rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

43. if you're talking

about Dan Rather and the Bush national guard documents, they were never shown to be fake.

The question was whether they were the ORIGINAL documents. The secretary who typed them up said the content was exactly what she typed.

welcome to DU.

[starroute]

15. You don't forget people who raise over $100,000 for you

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/05/how-much/

President Bush is donating $6,000 in campaign contributions linked to Abramoff to charity. He is donating money raised from Abramoff, his wife and a Native-American tribe he represented. But that’s a small fraction of the amount of money raised for Bush by Abramoff, which is at least $120,000 and potentially much more. From the 7/21/03 New York Times:

As President Bush’s re-election campaign races to accumulate the largest treasury in history, a similarly fierce contest has begun among his best-connected supporters. Raising $100,000 for the president is a bit passe in this competition; now loyalists must bring in $200,000 or more to be considered top-tier, and they had better come with sharp elbows and plenty of prosperous friends.

“Everyone in town is trying to be a Pioneer or Ranger,” said Jack Abramoff, a top Republican lobbyist here, using the campaign’s terms for the most elite levels of money collectors. “But the only way to do it is to have contacts outside of D.C., which fortunately I do. So far I’ve raised about $120,000, and I haven’t even really started making calls.”

The exact amount raised for Bush by Abramoff remains unknown. A spokesperson for the Bush/Cheney campaign, Tracey Schmitt, said “At this point, there is nothing to indicate that contributions from those individual donors represents anything other than enthusiastic support for the re-election campaign.” If that’s the case, President Bush shouldn’t have any problem disclosing the total.

[Doctor_J]

17. EllenZ, you'll get over it after a few more posts

if you make it that far :evilgrin:

[seemslikeadream]

18. oh EllenZ

Jack is definetly unforgetable!

[walldude]

19. We've done the WMD's thing, the public didn't care.

And you can bet your ass whether this was PS'ed or not Bush remembers Abramoff. (BTW if this is a photoshop it's good, I took it down to the pixels and couldn't see any discrepancies) If he wasn't lying about it then why did they just secure the White House visitors log a few days ago? The Abramhoff thing is huge, if we can ever break through the veneer many people will go down, including Bush and Cheney.

Oh and Welcome to DU :toast:

[exlrrp]

33. Theyre not exactly embracing either

Even if this is real, its not very intimate. its one of those staged/10 second receiving line type photos that don't say very much at all.
What they should be doing is looking for pictures of Abramoff with Rove, Ralston, Safavian,Rudy, etc. Bush himself probably didn't spend much time at all with Abramoff, the crimes were all done through aides and posting picture of Bush aides with Abramoff will show more. And how about Abramoff/delay or Ney or other important republican figures?
Publish that golfing one of Abramoff and Delay in Scotland! Expand the focus a little here-- a receiving line picture of Bush and Abramoff isn't exactly a smoking gun any more.

[Horse with no Name]

36. Why Tom Delay?

Tom's already got a cell awaiting him.
We're on to bigger and better things now.
And for your info...little boy king doesn't receive "just anyone" in a line.
He only receives the well-healed pre-screened contributors.
If he doesn't remember it is only because he was coked up or drunk when he shook their hand.
Personally I find it a little offensive that we have an executive in charge that cannot remember anything. Don't you?

[Horse with no Name]

35. Ahhh in denial I see

:popcorn:
Oh but you see...he does deny.
Not hard when he has an entire keyboard battalion ready at his command.

[Zuiderelle]

41. What are you talking about?

The shadows on their faces? They are exactly the same. As are the shadows of their heads behind them.

Decry the prez? LOL Yes, we should only decry the "prez" (and that's a mighty cute nickname for a democrat to give him, btw) about WMDs. Nothing else. That's the ticket. :eyes:

[Raksha]

49. #1 was the official cop-out a few months back.

I think that particular talking point lasted about a week or less.

[Buzz Clik]

9. We've got a million of 'em...

Bush and Abramoff at Brokeback Mountain.

[No Exit]

11. There's no arguing with that pic! Their affair was long and enduring,

I am sure of that. I never doubted it--but this pic is good, to demonstrate it plainly for wingnuts who can't read.

Hey, doesn't Abramoff still have some pending criminal cases against him? Funny how he never seems to actually have a TRIAL--I guess that would be too embarrassing for his many, many, many republican accomplices.

[sam sarrha]

13. they will say he was just one guy paying $50,000 out of hundreds during a $10,000 a plate dinner,..

for a photo with the president.. and * was really drunk and didng remember him

[Doctor_J]

16. Wiat! Karl Rove will claim that the drapes were a slightly different shade

of blue in 12/2003, so this photo is obviously FAKE!

No, wait actually, that means that Smirk never met Abramoff!

:sarcasm:

[Dems Will Win]

22. Real Estate For Sale

This one IS Photoshopped but gets to the essence of the matter...

[Dems Will Win]

24. kick+

[BuyingThyme]

23. It's about effing time!

[calzone]

25. I have to agree with Ellen...here's more pics

Even if they find more pics, what seems obvious to the rest of us, won't nail Bush. He can keep claiming he's met thousands and can't remember every person he's posed with. Sure it seems ludicrous that someone who donated hundreds of 1000's would be obscure to Mr. beautiful mind, but pictures won't do it IMHO, what's needed is records, like the W.H. visitation records from the secret service, and campaign donation records. A paper trail, not photos. If Bush can pull off saying he acted in good faith with the best info he had when WMD's and B.S. terrorist activity in Saddam's Iraq is flung at him, if he can get away with saying Abu Ghraib was a few bad apples in an isolated incident, if he can call Napalm a non-incendiary and white phosphorous a non-chemical wep and say that he had the authority to declassify (Plame affair) reports that didn't originate in the White House, and come out like John Dupont Gotti, he can slide on all but the most damning of evidence. The standard for him is miles higher than the average taxpayer. Here's more pics tho', for whatever good it'll do....

"On May 9, 2001, Chief Raul Garza of the Kickapoo tribe of Texas met with President Bush, with Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist in attendance. Abramoff was identified in the background of a photo taken at the meeting. Days before the meeting, the tribe paid $25,000 to Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform at Abramoff's direction. According to the organization's communications director, John Kartch, the meeting was one of several gatherings with President Bush sponsored by ATR. On the same day, the chief of the Louisiana Coushattas also attended an ATR-sponsored gathering with President Bush. The Coushattas also gave $25,000 to ATR soon before the event.

The details of the Kickapoo meeting and a letter dated May 10, 2001 from ATR thanking the Kickapoos for their contribution were revealed to the New York Times in 2006 by former council elder Isidro Garza, who with Raul Garza (no relation), is under indictment in Texas for embezzling tribal money. According to Isidro Garza, Abramoff did not say the donation was required to meet the president; the White House denied any knowledge of the transaction." Wiki
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0310-02.htm

Over the should shot....


He's circled in red...




"According to former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, Abramoff was paid $1.2 million to arrange a meeting between Mahathir and president George W. Bush, allegedly at the direction of the Heritage Foundation. Mahathir insisted that someone unknown to him had paid for the meeting."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185482,00.html


"Other photos have surfaced of Jack Abramoff and President Bush meeting at the White House and Oval Office on either December 22 or 23, 2002. The photos were found on a site that published many pictures of governmental events, ReflectionsOrders.com. The owner of the site removed the photos almost immediately when the presence of Abramoff and Bush together was discovered. Some internet users located the photos and preserved copies of some of them.<36> The owner of the site gave thousands of dollars to the Bush campaign and Republican National Committee, according to public FEC contribution records."
See photos here.....
http://www.thedoubles.com/gwbja.html


Possible photoshop :-)



Another iffy one....

[tyedyeto]

27. Ok, EllenZ

what about this?

Does * remember this or ?

Let us know when you have the answer.

[EllenZ]

31. You have to make a verifiable charge

Photos are altered so much these days that no one considers them evidence anymore.

And with the hundreds of people Bush meets everyday, I'm sure he does not remember them all. Especially someone who is an arranger and stays in the background. I have trouble remembering all my clients (client list currently about 2K people), never mind their aids and lawyers.

As one of the previous posters stated, there are a lot of serious charges provable against Bush, we need to work on them instead of something the public will not accept. Other types of proof, like the Secret Service logs, are something that can not be faked, which is why that they got classified.

[OnyxCollie]

39. I'm sure Chimpy wouldn't remember someone who raised over $100,000

and whose secretary became Karl Rove's secretary.



Here are the Abramoff-Rove-Ralston emails compiled in chronological order by another DU'er.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2799625

Here is the original Waxman/Davis report on Abramoff.

http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/abramoff/index.asp

And you just keep on spinnin'.

Enjoy your stay here.

[calzone]

44. i don't think it's spin...

...just a different opinion. i actually agree with you too blackops, Bush definitely remembers Abramoff, i think they're buds & thick as thieves, but we're not the ones that have to be convinced,
there has to be a more concrete avenue to pursue, something that leaves no wiggle room or plausible deniability. OK, not plausible to us, but to a formal group of deliberators.
i don't think any one doubts the authenticity of the photos of Bush and Abramoff together, it's whether they were friendly associates that's the crux, and here, Bush can wiggle.

[Dems Will Win]

46. That "other DU'er was ME

Thanks for linky goodness!

[The Wielding Truth]

45. Subpoena the staff. Many had to see Abramoff come and go.

They can't all lie. It's time for real investigations.IMO

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16541877/

[progressoid]

28. Uh, yeah, definately photoshoped on the third one.

From a guy that does that stuff...a lot.

But most of the others are damning. And I'm sure the media will pick up on these any day now.

:sarcasm:

[Hubert Flottz]

32. I can't think of a time when Bush told the truth???

Maybe about wanting to be a dictator.

[Lawrence]

34. wait a minute hold the phone

bush LIES about stuff?

[Dems Will Win]

37. Little Bit!

[dogday]

38. Oh what tangled webs we weave Mr. President nt

[Celebration]

40. We do need the records on visitors!!

Do I believe that Bush lied about not knowing Abramoff? Absolutely.
Does this picture prove it? Absolutely not.

It has nothing to do with Photoshop, either.

This picture is only somewhat helpful in making the case that Bush lied. It is no smoking gun.

Presidents pose with all sort so people that they don't remember.

I will say that I like the picture being circulated, just as a reminder!!

[donkeyotay]

42. It's all about appearances. In fairness to dimson, he admitted such

pictures existed but didn't want us to see them because of how it looked.
He didn't know Ken Lay, either. He also didn't know that the WND intell was cooked or that his war would cost so much. There's a lot of stuff he doesn't know and we can't pin it on him. He's sort of like the Innocent Bystander President:

Despite Justice's refusal to help him, Black convened a grand jury, which subpoenaed the Abramoff contract with the Superior Court on November 18, 2002. The next day the Bush Administration announced that Black would be replaced as US Attorney and demoted him to Assistant US Attorney, after twelve years on the job. His replacement was Guam's Assistant Attorney General, Leonardo Rapadas. "Fred was removed because he asked to indict Abramoff," says one of Black's colleagues at Justice. "I don't believe it was a coincidence."

...

Before Rapadas's confirmation, in May 2003, law-enforcement officials in Guam had supplied extensive information to Ashcroft and senior Justice officials indicating that he would have to recuse himself from the Gutierrez investigation because he was related to two people implicated in the scandal. Also in May, Guam's new Governor, Felix Camacho, a former Black ally, met with Abramoff in Washington. That same month, Justice dispatched Assistant US Attorney Russ Stoddard to Guam. Stoddard proceeded to bar Black from working on any public corruption cases and demanded that all new cases be approved through him, rather than the criminal division--a highly unorthodox procedure. Black's investigation into Abramoff's activities was forceably halted. Reportedly, the FBI and the DOJ Inspector General have begun looking into Black's demotion. Sources close to the IG investigation say its findings will be released soon. But the way Justice silenced Black and Meissner in part prompted Senators Chuck Schumer and Ken Salazar to call for the appointment of a special counsel to handle the Abramoff investigation. The circumstances of Black's removal raise several questions. Did the White House interfere to stop Black's investigation? Was Gonzales involved? Was Ashcroft?



http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0204-23.htm

"Reportedly, the FBI and the DOJ Inspector General have begun looking into Black's demotion. Sources close to the IG investigation say its findings will be released soon."

:rofl:

[Bitwit1234]

47. bush a liar...who didn't know that.