20,000, to be sent as early as next week?

[Philosoraptor]

I thought I heard a propaganda guy say that yesterday on the t.v., that the troops are already being given their orders and the wheels are already turning on the 'surge', and they're just waiting for w to finish reading the speech dick wrote for him.

I also heard that they are mostly war weary second or third timers, and a lot of unprepared newbies being rushed into battle.

Wrong way bush is at it again, doing exactly the opposite of what should be done, going in exactly the wrong direction with wild abandon, because that's what he was told to do by his masters.

This whole sickening tragedy is kicking into phase two, deliberately designed and timed for the year 2007 by the neo conazis all along.

Apparently all we can do is stand by slack jawed and horrified, frozen in fear, confusion and impotence, while thousands more die in vain. Sad.

[wakeme2008]

1. And this does not count the 5-6,000 Navy types on the second

Carrier Group that is about to get to the gulf... :grr:

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. My friend's son is a Marine who has been over there twice

He has been waiting to see a VA doc for 18 months for PTSD. He has attempted suicide. And he has to go back.

He is 23 and his youth has been spent in Iraq. Damn!

[Philosoraptor]

3. Jesus!...they must be desperate.

That is a horrible tragedy, too bad the president has no soul with which to give a fuck.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. I know a bunch of guys

who got their orders 2-3 months ago to go to Iraq in January.

Apparently, Bush has been preparing for this surge for at least a few months.

[bananas]

5. Yup. nt

[Hubert Flottz]

6. The wheels are a-fixin' to fall off of Bush's miscarriage real soon.

What do the surge and the Repub do nothin' congress have in common? They don't do nothin'...

All the things that Bush has promised us would fix Iraq so far, have come and gone and nothing has worked.

[izzie]

8. When we started this mess the WH asked for 87 B and look now,

I heard some one say from the House that three things could be done. But I am not sure how it would work. He said some thing about over sight into how money was spent and they could not pay for the new troops. I sort of missed what he means. I do not see the House stopping money and I do not know how they can divided it up to go to this or that in a way to cut troops. It must be able to be done as they set up money for Navy and air force etc. I think this is why all the Dem. are out to see what way the wind is blowing and they will do some thing like that. Slow up tax money to Bush.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. The time for the troop surge was when they invaded Iraq.

They should have NEVER gone in with less than 350,000 troops like the generals wanted. They by-passed all those little towns on the rush to get to the photo op rich prize called Baghdad. They never mopped up in all those little towns and took the weapons away from the crazies. Now the troops are paying for Karl's photo ops in Baghdad, with their lives.

[izzie]

11. Right on and you can be sure these new troops are already gone

Then he will ask for the money. Face it, we have this war for two more years. No roofs for Bush. Then he can blame it on someone else. I liked the Pa. Dem. plan of putting the troops around the country and if asked to come back, maybe. C-span had a man, Luttwak, yesterday that seemed to know a lot and I liked what he said. He said we could do better with just 20,000 men who stayed in camps in Iraq and came out as needed.

[JCMach1]

7. Smart (i.e. evil) move on their part to do this right away

Put the troops in harms way AND THEN have the Dems. vote to cut the funding.

This has Rove written all over it.

This is Rove's war strategy and that is F'ing dangerous. The 'surge' is solely a political move. :(

[bigtree]

9. absolutely political

to protect Bush from having to put a period on his failure, and, as a wedge issue, as you pointed out.

Still, Democrats have enough political cover from the public to act without being permanently branded by any divisive rhetoric the republicans might respond with.

[radfringe]

12. the time to poop or get off the pot

forgive the crudeness - but it's time to poop or get off the pot with Iraq

either we stabilize the country or get the hell out of there.

as far as I can tell - this latest "plan" is just bush farting on the pot and claiming to have had a bowel movement

whether or not bush leaves/is removed from office now or not until 2009 - the end result is going to be the same - the whole stinking mess will be someone else's problem