Ted Kennedy's speech on now C-SPAN

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3075032

[babylonsister]

1. Give 'em hell, Teddy! nt

[bdamomma]

2. could you possibly give those who cannot listen some

highlights please, I heard that Senator Kennedy was going to talk about Iraq.

[seemslikeadream]

3. I just edited this link above

:hi:

Excerpt from Ted Kennedy's speech on refusing to send more troops (long but with reading!)

[lvasconcellos]

59. Go two spots down under general discussion

for excerpts and an online link to sign his petition. Stop funding this Bull!!!!

[MADem]

4. I am a lucky duck, I am....I have TWO good Senators...NT

[babylonsister]

13. Yes, you are SO lucky! nt

[itsmesgd]

5. thanks, it was on cnn, but they were talking over uncle ed.

[blm]

30. Sure, because Candy Crowley will explain what he's saying better than he can.

Well, she'll explain it the way Bush prefers people hear it, anyway. CNN never changes.

[malta blue]

6. is going to introduce a bill

that no additional troops or dollars can be sent unless and until congress approves the proposal

[KoKo]

7. Ed Markey is going to introduce Kennedy Bill in the HOUSE!!! Two pronged

attack! Article I Section 8 of the Constitution of the US!

[itsmesgd]

8. make him come to the Congress, when he goes ahead without them.

Impeach The Mutha F----- Already!!!!

[KoKo]

10. Presidents Speech must be the Beginning and NOT the End of this

escalation and the PEOPLE should have the vote on what the President plans to do.

November Election has dramatically changed Rubber Stamp Congress. We must SHOW DEMS WE HEARD THEIR VOICES...with BOLD VISION!

[KoKo]

14. An Escalation is still an Escalation no matter what it's CALLED!

We Must ACT to prevent it!

[KoKo]

15. He's quoting what Lyndon Johnson said about "Staying the Course"

before he sent thousands more to die in Vietnam. Quoting Johnson again...saying that those comparisons resonate painfully decades later. Johnson became divorced from the reality of what was going on there.

[tridim]

21. It's so great that the sane party is the majority party!

Finally we can get something done in this country.

[bdamomma]

9. this has nothing to do with this topic

but Barney Frank is on Franken right now, saying the money has already been given to Bush for the Iraqi war, and they cannot do anything or if they amended it it would take 2/3 of the Congress to say no more money, but apparently since this a$$hole is commnander in thief he could get the money from somewhere else, if I understood that well.

[KoKo]

23. They can put a hold on the Supplemental Budget until they have time to

examine the part that goes to Escalation. It will be a "stalling tactic" to make Bush scramble for the money. I heard Franken just before I tuned in to C-Span.

[SnoopDog]

11. Mr. Kennedy is doing a great job - a speech from his heart. -nt

[Greeby]

12. kick

When Ted gets going, it's a wonderful sight to behold :woohoo:

[malta blue]

16. Quoting LBJ on increases in Vietnam

that the WH was obsessed with victory and divorced from popular opinion.

[babylonsister]

17. Comparing Iraq to VN; Iraq IS GB's VN. nt

[seemslikeadream]

18. Echoes of that disaster are all around us today. Iraq is

George Bush's Vietnam.



... Comparisons from history resonate painfully in today's
debate on Iraq. In Vietnam, the White House grew
increasingly obsessed with victory, and increasingly
divorced from the will of the people and any rational
policy. The Department of Defense kept assuring us that each
new escalation in Vietnam would be the last. Instead, each
one led only to the next.

There was no military solution to that war. But we kept
trying to find one anyway. In the end, 58,000 Americans died
in the search for it.

Echoes of that disaster are all around us today. Iraq is
George Bush's Vietnam.






“My Lai of Iraq” PLEASE release the photos Why the censorship?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3075184

The 1968 My Lai massacre, which some compare to Haditha, dramatically reduced support for the American military campaign in Vietnam.


What are you REALLY afraid of?


http://allspinzone.com/wp/2007/01/08/when-the-media-gags-itself

By making the decision not to publish the photographs from Haditha, the Washington Post editors are no better than the Holocaust deniers that recently met in Tehran. More importantly, if photographic evidence didn’t exist of the Holocaust (or was held back, or destroyed), it would be so much easier for the deniers to credibly make their case that the Holocaust didn’t happen. In fact, history could easily be rewritten.

It’s time for the Washington Post editors to make a decision. By holding back these images of atrocities committed in the name of the American people, the Post editors allow the atrocities to continue. This is particularly true in a week which decisions are going to be announced that will define U.S. involvement in Iraq for at least the rest of George Bush’s term in office.

If you run a blog, I humbly ask that you bring this story to the attention of your readers, and that you ask your readers to contact the ombudsman at the Washington Post:

Deborah Howell
202-334-7582
[e-mail]

We deserve the truth. We can handle the truth. We must know the truth in order to make informed decisions going forward.



http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/global-evidence-hunt-uncovers-horrific-images/2007/01/07/1168104865104.html

Several marines took photos on November 19, 2005, some of them as part of an intelligence-gathering operation and some in order to record what had happened to the Humvee that was destroyed by a massive roadside bomb, killing Corporal Miguel "T. J." Terrazas.

The photographs of the bomb crater and the shredded vehicle show the power of the explosion that first set the Haditha incident in motion.

Among the images, there is a young boy with a helicopter on the front of his pyjamas, slumped over, his face and head covered in blood. There is a mother lying on a bed, arms splayed, the bodies of three young children huddled against her right side.

There are men with gaping head wounds, and a woman and a child hunkered down on their knees, their hands frozen around their faces as if permanently bracing for an attack.

The images are contained in thousands of pages of NCIS investigative documents obtained by The Washington Post.

Post editors decided that most of the images were too graphic to publish in the newspaper.

[Captain Hilts]

Just saw his sister Eunice in the audience. I wish she had run for something. int

[KoKo]

19. Says Escalation will only make Iraqi people More Dependent on Us

and not Less. Mentioning Abazaid's comments on NOT Increasing troops.

[babylonsister]

20. Historic speech, trying to STOP a repeat of VN. The blowback

from his wise words will be interesting.

[H2O Man]

37. This is perhaps

his single best political speech. He is the best example of what a US Senator is supposed to be.

[babylonsister]

40. I agree! The truth shall set us free, and it's so nice to finally hear it!

I do wish we had more like him.

[H2O Man]

41. He is doing well

in the Q&A, too.

[babylonsister]

Yes, very convincing, and righteously outraged. nt

[seemslikeadream]

45. Ultimately a genuine leader is not of consensus but a molder of consensus

This quote comes from a speech Dr. King gave on January 14, 1968. He had visited Joan Baez and her mother in jail and he gave the speech outside the Santa Rita jail in California afterwards.

“And I do not plan to cooperate with evil at any point. Somebody said to me not too long ago,

“ ‘Dr. King don’t you think you are hurting your leadership by taking a stand against the war in Viet Nam? Aren’t people who once respected you going to loose respect for you? And aren’t you hurting the budget of your organization?’

“And I had to look at that person and say,



“‘I am sorry sir, you don’t know me. I am not a consensus leader. And I do not determine what is right and wrong by looking at the budget of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference or by taking a Gallup poll of the majority opinion. Ultimately a genuine leader is not of consensus but a molder of consensus.’

“On some positions cowardice asks the question, ‘is it safe?’

“Expediency asks the question, ‘is it is politic?’

“Vanity asks the question, ‘is it is popular?’

“But conscience asks the question, ‘is it right?’

“There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but he must do it because conscience tells him it is right. And that is where I stand today and that is where I hope you will continue to stand so that we can speed up the day when justice will roll down like waters all over the world and righteousness like a mighty stream. And we will speed up the day when men will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations will not rise up against nations neither they will not start a war anymore and I close by saying as we sing in the old Negro spiritual,

“I ain’t going to study war no more.”

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr and Singer Joan Baez in a Special On Civil Disobedience: Baez Recalls When King Visited Her in Prison, and We Play a Rare Recording of King's Remarks to Supporters Outside the Prison



Martin Luther King: Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence
"True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

[H2O Man]

50. I like that Senator Kennedy

is speaking of Martin right now.

[trashcanistanista]

46. Kennedy says NO! and

did give an excellent speech and nearly had me in tears. I was angry that he didn't immediately get a standing ovation, but eventually he did. He is handeling the questions well too. I am expecting the Congress to say NO to escallation.

[H2O Man]

52. It looks like

the House and Senate may make it difficult for President Bush. I think it may be a combination of democrats and some republicans who say "NO!" to him. It is going to be interesting to see how the president attempts to sell his plan to escalate the violence on Wednesday.

[malta blue]

22. The escalation is STAY THE COURSE

under another name...

[babylonsister]

24. Cooking the intel is how we got into this war! nt

[itsmesgd]

25. Hurry up and shutdown CSPAN...some truth is getting out.

This is what I want to hear, someone in power speaking from their heart not their campaign platform. He has also mentioned "us" the people and out vote this past November. Holy crap....a representative, how novel an idea.

[babylonsister]

26. IWR is obsolete today; all the lies told make it null and void. nt

[libnnc]

27. Tell me I didn't just see Jeff Gannon in the audience...

Did anyone else see the cutaway to the audience just now?

[jensmygov]

39. AUDIENCE

TWEETY TOO!!!!!

[libnnc]

43. I expected to see Tweety

This is in front of the National Press Club. I had hoped that Gannon had his press pass revoked by now.

[KoKo]

28. He says Iraq War Resolution is not Applicable and we are in Civil War

which the Iraq War Resolution does not Authorize. This could be Supreme Court problem. They can go after him legally. :shrug:

[KoKo]

29. Kennedy painting a picture of a Rogue President...Congress CANNOT

Escape their Duty...and must act NOW! Legislation requires President to obtain the approval of Congress before sending more troops or more money.

[KoKo]

31. He's threatening Bush to Back off. If he doesn't in his speech Kennedy

and Markey will introduce the Legislation at an appropriate date.

[KoKo]

32. We Must Not Have Another Vietnam! "Come My Friends it's Not to Late

to Seek Another World." (Tennyson)

Loud Applause!

[H2O Man]

35. Using one of RFK's

favorite quotes from the Vietnasm era was a great move.

[babylonsister]

33. Wonderful speech! Proving we care about troops, but not giving an

inch to the blivet.

[Greeby]

34. Speaking about Section 60 at Arlington cemetary

The dead of Massachusetts from this war. Of course, given that his brothers are there, I can only imagine how heartbreaking those trips must be

[TayTay]

60. Remember this from shortly after the 11/04 election?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30242-2004Dec2.html

Or this pic from this year. For yet another Massachusetts native being buried in Arlington.



http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/grcayer.htm

Too many have died already.

[babylonsister]

36. I wish someone would ask Kennedy about the permission to bomb Somalia,

and whether any was sought. And how legal that is.

[KoKo]

38. He says Congress has exercised it's power in Lebanon, Vietnam in '75/76

and other instances. He mentions the War Powers Act. Veto of it by Nixon was overidden by Congress.

He says the "Authorization" they gave him to Invade is Not an Authorization for this Escalation or the grounds that we are fighting in Iraq on now.

[KoKo]

42. Congress must do a pre-emtive Strike on Bush to Stop him before he gets

the troops in there or otherwise the troops are in place and Dems will be criticized for not funding them. He wants to CUT OFF MONEY NOW! Sounds like that bill will be brought forward right after Bush's speech.

He says if we don't do something all of this will by "empty rhetoric on our part." WOW!

[babylonsister]

44. We need to do what is MORALLY right. Amen! nt

[H2O Man]

48. "Come, my friends.

'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
...We are now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."
-- Alfred, Lord Tennyson

[babylonsister]

55. That gave me chills, H2O Man. So appropriate! Thanks! nt

[KoKo]

47. Dems are rejecting the "Fear and Smear" tactics of Repugs!

When asked how are the Dems going to govern. Also says tired of Special Interest involvement in Government.

[Cameron27]

49. Talking about HMO's now

he's getting angry; so great to hear him.

[lvasconcellos]

51. Phone Kennedy's office :yourock:

at 202 224-4543 to express support. He gets a lot of criticism from the righties!:kick:

[Cameron27]

53. LOL

it's busy, busy, busy. I'll try later.:)

[H2O Man]

54. See if this link works:

[robertpaulsen]

56. Proud to be the 5th rec for the greatest page! Go Ted!

:kick:

:hi:

:dem:

[bluewave]

57. Go Teddy! Somebody's got some balls in the Senate! nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

58. Ted has been brilliant so far except for one thing he said...

He mentioned that we have a War On Terror. I will never buy that term, and as long as it is acknowledged like a real war, it gives the President (whomever it might be) lots of Imperial latitude.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

61. self-delete. nm

[monarch]

62. Terrific job by Ted!

Not only was the speech great but he hit all the right issues in his answers to questions. Absolutely masterful command of a wide range of important liberal issues.