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Original Jack Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:05 PM
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Best Republican president of all time?
I would have to say Lincoln.

Or maybe Ike.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:06 PM
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1. Hmmmm...
Why do you want to know what we think of Republican presidents here on Democratic Underground, Jack?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:06 PM
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2. Abraham Lincoln
And Eisenhower second. Gerald Ford third.

And...that's it.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:06 PM
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3. I don't consider either of those men Republicans.
At least not the incarnation that is today's Republican. They're probably both incredibly disgusted with their party.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:33 PM
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20. agreed
Except I don't consider anyone SINCE Ike a Republican. The Grand Old Party of Lincoln was co-opted by the militaryindustrial (add big oil now) complex Ike warned us of. The party that today calls itself republican is a facade - like the people in The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:07 PM
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4. Richard Nixon
crucify me if you like, but watergate aside I really don't think Nixon was a bad president.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:08 PM
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7. How can you set aside Watergate - it defined his presidency
and his character.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:21 PM
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14. EPA, Social Security, OSHA, EEOC, and more
Today, ignoring Watergate (hell, the NSA & CIA are doing far, far more, without warrants) he would be considered a liberal democrat, not a hard-nosed anti soviet republican.
Today's GOP would exorcise him from the party.

And don't forget his major foreign successes - SALT arms reduction treaty; China, and beefing up NATO.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:29 PM
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19. Sorry, but you are wrong on Nixon.
I've written about this elsewhere, but it bears repeating. It was under Nixon's watch that the rot we see today in today's GOP began in earnest. Donald Segretti found his legs in Nixon's administration and such colorful characters as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney & Paul Wolfowitz got their first executive branch jobs with him. Moreover, it was Nixon's close ties to Prescott Bush that lead to Herbert's first associations with the White House and eventually to his job as head of the RNC around '72. I won't even touch his selections of Kissinger or Agnew.

Bush used that position to continue the war his father started against Nelson Rockefeller and thanks largely to Nixon's assistance, he became a rising star in the GOP and remained there until his win in 1988. Needless to say, much of what's happening now is directly traceable to Herbert's presidency and thus to Nixon's tenure previous to that.

Of all his many character flaws (paranoia, anti-semitism, vindictiveness etc) who would have thought Nixon's most dangerous fault was his utter inability to judge the character of his appointments? Sort of like GWB. That legacy has outlasted Vietnam, Watergate and the many other policy flaws which also occurred during that period.

If you didn't live through that period it may be hard to understand just how bad he was given the scrubbing his record underwent toward the end of his life. If you did, you should know better.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:07 PM
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5. Ike, I think.
It's hard for me to think of Lincoln as a republican as we define it today. So, I won't. Ike's warnings about war and military industrial complex showed a man more concerned with human kind than most republicans.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:08 PM
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6. Lincoln and Eisenhower
Only two that I can think of.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:09 PM
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8. Lincoln was a Republican because back then it was the liberal party.
It was the party of social justice.

Too bad it later became the party of racists, skinheads, and KKK members like David Duke.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:10 PM
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9. Lincoln? not a chance
Check out how long the war had been on before he thought about emancipating the slaves. He tried to suspend habeas corpus over the Padilla of his day. It wasn't just the south that saw him as a tyrant.

Eisenhower? He let the military industrial complex become powerful until he warned us about them on his way OUT of office . He also sent the first military advisers to Vietnam.

I'd have to pick Teddy Roosevelt because he realized the trusts were beginning to challenge the power of the government and broke them up. He originally started the national park system, first as a museum for rich men to visit and later as trusts for all of us.

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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:16 PM
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13. true...he arrested the "Peace Democrats" who wanted to
solve the differences between the north and south by peaceful means. Also his originial solution to slavery was to ship all the slaves back to Africa but he decided that would cost too much. Good Republican President is a triple oxymoron....about as pleasant as triple by-pass surgery.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:34 PM
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21. unfortunately, I doubt that civil war could be avoided
the problem is that the so-called "peace democrats" were willing to compromise to avoid war and probably would have left slavery in tact.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:22 PM
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16. more than a million citizens died in that war.
that is a few
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:23 PM
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17. Agreed...
TR all the way. The Trust Buster and probably the most environmental president ever for his time.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:11 PM
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10. Clinton.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:12 PM
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11. you guys forget Teddy
1)Lincoln
2)Teddy Roosevelt
3)Nixon
4)Eisnehower
5)Ford
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:13 PM
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12. Garfield
He was ambidextrous, you know. So he had that going for him.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:22 PM
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15. Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt (in some areas), Eisenhower
and the last remotely moderate republican is Ford.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:28 PM
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18. Theodore Roosevelt. The labels are barely relevant going back this far...
let alone to Lincoln's day.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:34 PM
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22. All Republicans...
Are on my ignore list.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:34 PM
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23. Lincoln, T.R. and Ike. Hell, even Reagan looks good when compared to Chimpolini.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 05:39 PM
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24. I'm going to lock this since
the OP is no longer with us.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
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