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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:36 PM
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Re: H. Clinton. .. We could do a lot worse, but...
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 09:38 PM by LuckyTheDog
Let me start right off by saying that I am leaning toward Obama right now. But I am glad to have Hillary Clinton in the race.

I think Hillary Clinton (if nominated) might be able to win in November and she certainly is smart and tough enough to serve as president.

However, I also have to say that H. Clinton makes me nuts sometimes. There are times when I see her on television (which is how most Americans know her) when I just want to reach out and smack her. Why? Because she comes off as evasive, calculating and insincere -- and I strongly suspect that she is better than that. I had the same feeling about John Kerry much of the time.

H. Clinton often seems SO afraid of a misstep that her comments comes off as scripted, focus-grouped political doublespeak. It's just SO obvious that she's trying to "position" herself -- often employing nakedly obvious triangulation that makes me cringe.

A good example recently was when she was asked about Obama's credentials. She just kept saying how the voters will decide. Well, sure, the voters WILL decide... but what do YOU think? And if you don't want to tell us, then just SAY that you don't want to tell us.

Hillary: PLEASE, loosen up. Be the smart, funny woman we know you really are. America will appreciate it -- and will like you better for it.


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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:39 PM
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1. Hillary is like nails across a blackboard to me. She just really irritates me
I'm glad Richardson is getting in. I like him. I hope anyone but Hillary wins the nomination (though I do support Obama). If she does win, I'm afraid I cannot vote for her. sorry.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:39 PM
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2. We can do a lot better
than putting the same self-serving yuppie family who triangulated the party out of an identity back in power

all of the hard work of the last 6 years that led to nov.'s victory was due to progressive activists on the left pushing the party back to its roots. the clintons, who are more apt to listen to plankton like dick morris, didn't lift a fnger to oppose bush until it was politically safe to do so
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:40 PM
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3. Hillary is smarter than Kerry and doesn't say dumb jokes that backfire
Hillary will not make dumb mistakes as a candidate.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:41 PM
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4. But that's part of the problem
I think she plays things a bit TOO smart and TOO careful. And makes it too obvious.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:44 PM
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8. I see her as a Kerry type candidate. Not one that excites the dems
It's time we started getting people we are excited about for the nomination. More would come out and vote.
To pick someone safe like a Kerry or Clinton just doesn't work for us.
And the thought of 4 to 8 more years of this crap is too much. I've spent over half my life under a bush or clinton.
I want something more.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:05 PM
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12. Oh really?
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 10:08 PM by Island Blue
The New York Democrat made the remark at a fund-raiser Saturday. During an event here for Senate candidate Nancy Farmer, Clinton introduced a quote from Gandhi by saying, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/elec04.s.mo.farmer.clinton.ap/


Maybe saying something idiotic like this didn't backfire at the time she said it, but I'll guarantee you it will now. Just wait. It'll happen.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:15 PM
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14. You think so, huh?
I'd love to see them debate. Kerry would mop the floor with her.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:15 PM
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15. I can think of three off the top of my head.
Three pretty regrettable comments Sen Clinton has made. Wait, five.
Everyone makes mistakes. No one runs a perfect campaign. If you think she will, I fear you're going to be disappointed.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:42 PM
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5. If she wins the Democratic nomination, she'll have my vote
But until then, There are other Democratic candidates I like much better.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:43 PM
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6. Hillary:


I'd like her a whole lot better if she'd state her opinions forthrightly and stick with them.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:48 PM
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9. See - that's how I see Edwards - only more colorful.
:hi:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:53 PM
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10. Well, windsockery is a common affliction of politicians.
Especially those who are or have been Senators. I do think Hillary blows in the wind more than Edwards, though; just consider how much time she's spent tapdancing around how she really feels about Iraq. At least Edwards has admitted that voting for the IWR was a mistake -- I'll give him that much.

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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:54 PM
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11. how do you see Edwards? Better than Hillary?
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:44 PM
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7. I won't vote for her...
she continues to support this insane "war".
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:12 PM
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13. And Why Do You Like Her?
You've just said that she's a calculating triangulator. Why do you believe she'd be any different as President?

Why not back only sincere candidates whose voting records are consistant with stopping the sodomy of the Middle Class? Why even think of anyone else?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:23 PM
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16. She'll increase debate ratings and 'Merkins will see some great candidates.
If she brings people to watch the debates, it's all good.
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