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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:26 PM
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bush will invade Iran and there is nothing we can do about it.
The surge is just a test run. He knows congress will not act against him when there are troops on the ground. He also knows he can act faster than congress, and that he can rely on Mitch McConnell to gum up the works in the senate. Let's face it, if bush attacks Iran, we will have no choice but to fight. We will be in a crisis we will not be able to ignore. We will have to see it through.

The Republicans have been using this technique since Saint Ronny. They would force a crisis like extreme debt to force us to cut social programs. It worked to some degree, but the cuts were harder to pass than the spending that caused the crisis. Still they saw enough success to keep using it over and over again.

What bush has done is expand Reagan's strategy to war. By the time we (the majority of America) figured out that we were snookered into a war, it was too late, the situation too dire to cleanly disengage. So bush this time is not going to try to sell a war with Iran, he's just going to do it. Oh yeah, he will say that they are just trying to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons capabilities. We won't have time to point out that the UN has found no evidence of a nuclear weapons program. Shock and Awe will be underway before anyone can act against him.


His attitude toward us can be summed up by this:

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." GW Bush





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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:29 PM
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1. If that comes to pass, he must be removed from office.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:30 PM
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2. I am not sure the Repugs will buy that
They are looking at 08 and know if Iran goes BAD (which IMHO it will) they will not only lose the President, but lots more of the Senate and House.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:03 PM
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12. I don't think he cares. He doesn't have to worry about
his reelection. They are of no more consequence than the investors who lost big money on his failed businesses.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:31 PM
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3. Bush cannot invade Iran .....
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 06:33 PM by Trajan
Persia will NOT yield to 10,000 sailors, or 20,000 Marines ...

If he tries to shift 'boots' from Iraq, then Iraq will sink even further ....

He may try to bomb Iran, and he may kill lots of innocent people, but invade ? ....

Not a chance ....

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:01 PM
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11. When I say invade I mean air invasion, an air strike.
I don't think they are worried about what would come after that.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:13 PM
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16. Congress must first issue an AUMF at the very least.
They have already made this known to members of his administration. I don't know if they have already informed him personally. But Congress has already failed to punish the the "Official" Declaration of War issued by Reagan in the Paramilitary Civil War on Drugs and that was Treason as defined by the US Constitution. So if Congress won't punish a domestic Presidential Declaration of War AKA Treason. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to punish an international presidential declaration of war.
But he will Invade Iran. Amadinejad probably has dirt on daddy too. Hindsight being 20/20 (unless your a Bush) Bush Sr. More than likely arranged the Iran Hostage Crisis as part of his sacking of President Carter. Once Reagan Bush were sworn in the Oil Industry suddenly found several hundred million barrel of oil "lost" (yeah right Ooookay)in thier own holds. Gas crisis over and Reagan Bush laugh it off. what a Bunch of convenient knuckle heads.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:36 PM
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27. if bush bombs iran-
iran will attack us in iraq, in league with the shia in iraq
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:32 PM
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4. Too true. It's going to happen and no one is going to stop it.
I've tried for months to raise the alarm, but too many people either dismiss the possibility, or CHEER it.

Thank you for posting this, I've voted to recommend.

sw
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:32 PM
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5. Bush can't invade.
There's no troops left for that.

The only thing he has left is the use of the Air Force and the US Navy to bomb targets from the air using warplanes, smart bombs, and cruise missiles.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:43 PM
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6.  I think you are right
The people who pass this off as a swill of bull or say we need ground troops or this will effect 2008 elections are not seeing the entire picture .

What about the fact that many knew this attack on Iraq would fail , no one thought about elections then and it went on .

Just the fact alone if bush goes forward and attacks Iran will make the entire outlook on 2008 change to nothing . Once this can is opened everything changes and you can't go back .

Who can say what the result of this will render , it certainly won;t be good .

It is all about america dominating the oil reserves which gives the US control over the globe . Millions of lives mean nothing when it comes to oil , millionsof lives means nothing when it comes to land or games or politics .

People think Japan is better off after the bombings , all will heal in the after math . This is a different deal now . We never had a dictatorship and a madman at the wheel before .

He got his surge and he is not the only one behind this . It is the new world order now . The global economy . How long does anyone think it will take for the reality of these new world ambitions to screw most of the people into slaves .
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citygal Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:47 PM
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7. if this is entirely true, he has sunk his entire party for many years to come.
NO ONE wants war with Iran. It is complete madness.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:01 PM
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10.  I look at it this way .
Right now some repubs are turning against bushs Iraq surge . This to me seems more like gesture since many know they are not going to stop him so they can say they voted against bush and look like they are saving their party . Just more lies .

Also , how many of the repubs will run again and how many are neocons who really care anymore about the party than bush does .

It all smells like a political game to me .
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:34 PM
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23. "NO ONE wants war with Iran." Not true. You'll find several DUers ready & willing to justify it.
I know this from experience, there are quite a few people who show up in threads about Iran who are more than willing to see bombs dropped on it.

Of course it's "complete madness". That doesn't matter. There are plenty of people willing to rationalize it and advocate for it, both in the Bush administration and on DU.

sw
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citygal Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:19 PM
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28. Well, then, I would place them into a different category of lacking decency
or integrity not belonging to the neo-Con agenda wants war with Iran. And we simply do not have the soldier power as well.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:38 PM
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35. Why a separate category? For me it's simple. ANYONE who wants war on Iran is "indecent".
Period. End of story.

sw
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:49 PM
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8. There'll be a small problem w/ Russia & China should he try this.
This is not a joke.....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:07 PM
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14. I think they will be content to sit back and watch us destroy
ourselves. It's kind of like what the Dems did when the GOP was ripping itself to shreds. Why get in the way?
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citygal Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:22 PM
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29. good point
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:34 PM
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33. That's why al Qaeda hasn't attacked us. Why should he? bush is
doing more damage to america than al Qaeda could ever do.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:22 PM
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20. That's been on my mind, too
Another thing occurs to me, too. Does everybody remember (or heard ab out) the Vietnam slogan: "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

I swear, if I were called up, I would flat f****ing refuse!
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:29 PM
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25. The scary thing is...
...if you read PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses", China is one of the countries listed for "regime change".
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:50 PM
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9. Well, it's one way to make Iraq look like a 'cakewalk'...after the fact.
:eyes: :grr:
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:05 PM
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13. If there is nothing we can do about it, why dwell on it unless it happens?

Do you just like to see your thoughts on the page?
These posts of folk who believe that the worst case scenario is going to happen and that there is nothing we can do about it really puzzle me.
If people really believe stuff like that, it's hard for me to understand why they bother posting.
If they post in the hopes that enough people will take action and stop these things from happening then they think that something can be done about it after all.
But since the characteristic of these sorts of posts is the clarion call of nothing can be done, it just comes across to me as wanting to see one's thoughts on the screen or a desire to be able to say -- "I told you so."

Regarding whether Bush will invade Iran, I'm not sure if I agree with you or not, I can't predict the future.
He might, he might not.
You seem sure of the future though.
It must be nice to have that sort of confidence, although I could think of ways it might be a problem.

I will say that if Bush invades Iran, there are those who will just roll over and rally behind the president but there are a lot who won't.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:13 PM
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15. I did want discussion about bush and his attitude toward
the American people.

If I was just trying to put thoughts on the page I wouldn't be posting what I will be posting a bit later.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:15 PM
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17. Ok, I'll look for it
just trying to "prod" you a little with my last post and discourage defeatism.:kick:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:23 PM
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21. I wanted to first see if someone
did a call to action.

If you can bring out your inner Henry V, do it. I'm starting to burn out.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:18 PM
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18. yeah, I know.
yet we try:shrug:
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:19 PM
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19. People have been claiming this for at least 4 years
He's got two years left...tick tock, tick tock.

:eyes:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:33 PM
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22. There is a solution to the Insanity.
Impeach AG Gonzo then Cheney, then Busholini. Doing this in rapid succession. The evidence is all there to proceed.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:57 PM
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24. If you don't want to live in a world where the fatalistic outlook
in my first post prevails, you must take responsibility. You must act. Let your voice ring out.

Tomorrow call your congressman. Send an e-mail, compose a letter and let them know you will not stand for the surge or any other military adventure out of the bush administration.

Get involved locally. Speak out. Call your local talk radio shows. demonstrate in your community even if you are the only one on the square. Stand up.

Even if he doesn't listen, it is important you fight the good fight.


Get active, get loud. Urge your friends to speak out.

Do it.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:33 PM
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26. If congress would IMPEACH his dumbass...nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:26 PM
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32. I am pretty sure Reid did a vote count and is sure they
don't have the votes to remove him. They might be able to impeach him, but what good is that if they can't remove him from office. McConnell will enforce strict discipline and will make life more than miserable for anyone who even thinks about removal.

They will say that the impeachment is revenge for Clinton's impeachment.

Let's take him down piece by peace. Let's dismantle his kingdom in front of his eyes. Let's investigate to build a case for war crimes charges. Impeachment is just firing him. It won't mean shit to him. We'd still have to deal with cheney and the rest of the criminal gang.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:51 PM
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38. Public disclosure will change any senators minds.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:55 PM
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39. But will it change their vote? there's a lot of gutless
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 09:57 PM by alfredo
wonders in congress.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:57 PM
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40. They've gotten by so far on deceit without exposure.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:49 PM
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41. If we are talking solely on the political level it might be
good if we bleed them one cut at a time. Maybe bush and Cheney are our useful idiots. They might be worth more in office than out.


Still, each day they stay in office our country becomes less safe.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:10 AM
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42. It was some damn easy to impeach Clinton....
...Why the fuck cant we get rid of a truely vial piece of shit like *? This makes no sence at all to me. * and his entourage of goons are prime examples of when to impeach or force him out of office.

I just dont get it, would someone please take one for the team and give * a fucking blowjob already!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:22 PM
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30. If true, there's nothing we can do but go along for the ride. Correct.
Congress could but they still seem timid when it comes to matters of war (always giving reasons, excuses, or support).
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:25 PM
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31. Way to motivate us like that...
If we really felt like there was nothing we could do, half of us would have headed for Canada by now. But we stayed and fought because this is our nation.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:34 PM
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34. There may be alot of people who would if they could
It's not easy just to move even if you have the funds . There is a two year wait to get into canada .

I am not so sure how many people really feel we can get out of the mess we are in here .
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:41 PM
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36. The best I can do right now is the passports
we got recently. At least you can stay in Canada 6 months at a time and it starts over again every time you cross the border.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:51 PM
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37. Russia and China would resupply Iran militarily,
That's much more a deterrent than the American people. In short Bush thinks he's got the right to be a dictator. Under that bumbling is a rotten pig-headed bully. That's why the democrats that get beaten up on this board will never be worse than the fascist GOP. They would still obey the will of the people, not so with Bush/Cheney/Rove.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:52 PM
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43. Russia would love to see us go through economic
failure like they suffered through at the end of the cold war. The best way to do that is to bleed us dry through our military.
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