The Clintons bite the Dem party; anyone surprised?

[babylonsister]

I'm watching Charlie Rose, there isn't anything going to be surprising, and they think the Clintons suck. WHY?

Convince me they don't.

[Wetzelbill]

1. all I can say is this would have never happened if I got the nomination

Which is still up in the air... as far as I know. :)

[EFerrari]

11. We were right in the middle of vetting Kurovski and poof!

[quakerboy]

12. If your still in, Im still in

try and stop the stealth campaign. You can't. You can't even find it. Just try.

[BlooInBloo]

2. They appear to be under the misconception that it's the clinton party.

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. My PBS comes on later......

If its the old Bill Clinton tape on that
yes, he sucks, ..........

He is a pathological liar........... and I loved him at one time
Edwards did the same thing to me.

My X wife was a female philander, but I divorced her and still love her.

Bill has some deep psychological problems that he brought into the oval office.

[Lilith Velkor]

4. How sad that the party is making history and you're still whining about the Clintons.

Karl and Rush ought to pay you for this crap.

[IndianaJones]

5. I think it has something to do with Texas.nt.

[Lilith Velkor]

80. Texas is no excuse

Skittles is from Texas, and never succumbed to Clinton Derangement Syndrome in the first place, let alone kept it going almost three fucking months after the primary is over.

[babylonsister]

7. Hahaha! Yea, it's my fault. nt

[merh]

6. Go check out that site that shall not be named

where former DUers migrated to - they've shut down public viewing function during the convention.

The funny thing is what the tab looks like.

[davidpdx]

8. Yeah I saw that

They have gone into super-secret hiding. Apparently hating behind closed doors is easier.

[babylonsister]

9. Nah, but what is weird, and why is Obama? I think he's perfectly logical.

I don't get the mindset of others.

[mcctatas]

21. ...

Do they just make shit up, or did 15 Obama delegates switch to HRC in July? If it's true, how come I never heard about it (not that I am the clearing house of all delegate related information, but you'd think this would be big news?)

[cboy4]

22. I think your moles will be able to give you the 411 merh

[merh]

28. I don't have any moles cboy - I went over there to see how

they reacted to Michelle's speech - so many of them just don't like her and I was curious if her speech changed their minds.

You appear to project way too much as it is you that seems to be a part of a swarm.

[cboy4]

29. I just know that a disturbing percentage of Obama Duers

visit there regularly, so they can feed their compulsion.

That's all.

And at least one person here has bragged about being a mole.

Yes indeed, as skittles would say.

[merh]

30. Then you know more about the place and activities concerning

it than I do. But you like your little intrigue and games. Sad, it's not about whats good for the nation for some, it is the oneupmanship and the getting the best of others.

Like I said, I went to see if any of them had anything nice to say about Michelle - she gave a great speech this evening - maybe I was hoping that it made some of them change their minds.

[JTFrog]

33. The same way we check out the MORANS over at FR.

It's called keeping your eye on the enemy.

They are both scum sucking republican sites that are dangerous to just ignore.

[cboy4]

34. No, it's called a compulsion.

Or even an obsession.

They're internet message boards JTFrog.

I swear, I don't know how some of you have time to bathe.

[JTFrog]

35. Right. Now tell folks to quit checking out FR also. It's just a compulsion.

And I assure you, I'm clean as a whistle, unlike the scum you're defending.

[Maven]

52. ...

:spray:

[vaberella]

60. Now you're assuming that they do...

:rofl: I found that funny.

On a serious note, I think I know what sites you all are talking about and I realize like the other poster stated that they're too much of a problem to ignore. However, I do put them on ignore because of the hate. I can not tolerate the hate. Underlying racism, sexism (against Obama), attacks on Michelle; it's just way too much for me. I can't stomach it so I don't pay them any mind.


One of the sites was Larry Sinclair's, I went there twice and couldn't handle it. The freepers once and I was done then the HRC one---had enough within a few seconds and left.

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[greguganus]

53. I heard maddie joan has alot more free time to spend over there now. n/t

[dionysus]

72. oh snap

:spray:

[EFerrari]

10. Did you catch Nancy Pelosi's completely freestanding tribute to Hillary

apropos of nothing at the beginning of her speech? That's when I knew it wasn't just media spin.

Oh well. At least we have enough of Vitamin Drama.

[babylonsister]

13. Yes, I heard her and she was horrible. She lost anything she ever thought

she had. Really bad.

[merh]

14. I'm not following any of this.

I'm so confused about what you are meaning - what you are implying.

[EFerrari]

15. I only saw about a minute of Pelosi because I don't want to watch her.

But is was weird. Her speech started out sort of normally and then, boom, and how about Hillary Clinton? It didn't connect to the previous sentence or to the following one. I didn't watch much after that. It was just too sort of painful.

She looked okay. Her speech just wasn't making sense.

[merh]

16. I believe that the clinton camp is making things uneasy over there

they are spoiled snots, they believe they are entitled.

I don't think they can stop Obama and I think that Obama's folks are just trying to keep the peace until the formalities are over.

[EFerrari]

17. This is why King Lear's daughters just disappeared his castle

so he wouldn't be a pain in the hand off.

Obama will be fine. I hope the Clintons don't lose friends they'll need later.

[qwlauren35]

18. Hillary is not Bill.

They are married, but not Siamese twins sharing a brain. Hillary has always been left of Bill.

I think we all know that Bill is throwing a temper tantrum. But he can. He has NOTHING TO LOSE.

Hillary is not going to destroy her Senatorial relationships with her fellow party members to support Bill's grudge. She's not that dumb. So, she's stumping up and down the country for Obama.

If Hillary was someone else, say Barbara Boxer, and had gotten 18 million votes, and needed to placate her public at the convention because many of them thought she was the better, more experienced candidate, etc., we would not be calling this "the Boxer show".

Hillary has never, ever been able to control her husband. I thought that was obvious 8-10 years ago. Why do you suddenly expect her to be able to do so now.

Please take more of a wait and see attitude.

[Egnever]

19. I think you nailed it

great post.

[Cha]

77. Boxer wouldn't be doing this..she's all about the par-ty..

not herself. Hillary is not bill but I've seen hillary suck the air out of the room all by herself. I really don't give a shit what she does 'cause it's a win win situation..Obama is going to be Prez without or without her party unity.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

20. Um....

wish you were here to agree with me in person. :D xoxo

[TexasObserver]

23. I'm resolved to judge Hill and Bill based upon their speeches and floor directions.

If they show good faith and effort, I'll judge them accordingly. If they don't, likewise.

[Egnever]

25. Good on ya!

I think bills still a little peeved but I think Hill has already worked her disappointment off.

I think she is going to do a bang up job I really do. Bill still worries me a little but I think he will probably have a hard time being bitter after another day of this love fest :)

[qwlauren35]

27. Please judge them as individuals.

Don't slam Hill if Bill acts the fool.

[writes3000]

24. Babylonsister, the negative play by play on the Clintons isn't worth our focus.

Clearly, the Republicans are working the media to feed this story. And yes, some Clinton folks are acting out.

We can either take the bait or ignore it.

The one thing I do know is that the American people will judge all of the players by how they act thru the rest of the primary.

It doesn't serve the Clintons to be perceived as petty or vindictive.

They will give great speeches. Some of their people will continue to act out.

But the election isn't about them and won't be swayed by who is on the sidelines.

Obama/Biden vs. McCain & the Republicans. That should be our focus. The Clinton stuff will take care of itself.

[bridgit]

26. Good Grief!! This negativity is a deep well spring indeed stunning simply stunning

It just keeps coming forth as new, fresh, as virginal as an alluvial moon pool of the unbridled un-sated an aggressive peculiarity it bubbles up between the pads of cloistered ostrich gaggling the silicon of shiftless sand dunes only each to the other they truly care to speak and so they do so alone as to which houses matter which cable cars are worthy their queenly crown' & coins of creation mystery they ignore the rest as unworthy by features derived from ill committees sanctioning even stranger birds still, lifeless; where at the end of the day...not so stunning in the least but predictable as the waste of flightless carrion.

Good luck with this tack people. It's been all up and down the board so you just know it has to be popular. And that's what really counts ;)

[quickesst]

31. It's simple......

You either embrace the illogical rantings of Clinton haters, or using your own judgment, and a little logic, you arrive at your own conclusion. Obama is %100 sure Clinton is on his side, and has publicly stated this. Too bad so many of his "supporters" believe he is either lying, or not smart enough to recognize when he is being taken for a fool. Funny, as a Clinton supporter who will vote for Obama, it is a little wierd that I show more confidence in him than his more "avid" supporters. Go figure. Thanks.
quickesst

[sufrommich]

32. "Clinton" is the equivalent of "boo!" to some here.

And ,yes, the confidence meter for Obama seems to be quite low for some who claim to be his biggest supporters.

[babylonsister]

45. No, I'm a Democrat, and wish we'd all rally round the nominee.

Why is that such an outlandish desire? And why is that so difficult for him?

[bridgit]

88. "Clinton" has been 'the one size fits all' rallying cry for so many on the right for so long...

they have now bled over and become the catch-all excuse for the derisive, dismissive, highly exclusionary few on the left as regards a contest that is at this point in time too close to call. The current level of non-confidence in Obama you refer to is for me an indicator that they were prepared to blame, as has been promised for months, the waitress for a half baked potato the cook should have seen to all along. Yes, I find such behavior childish. But more to the point I find it irresponsible, shortsighted; and so unable to anticipate the future in full.

[babylonsister]

49. Oh, I don't know, When I read stuff like this, it makes me wonder:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6745303&mesg_id=6745303

[rug]

36. Anyone who voted for the war has no place on the ticket.

[leftynyc]

37. Biden voted for the war

So I guess tough shit for you.

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Funny how that changed, huh? Hillary == evil warmonger Biden == swell guy.

[PassingFair]

42. Hillary=Primary Nominee=We get a say in it.

Biden=VicePresidential PICK=Not up to us.

We CHOSE a presidential nominee.

We don't get a say in his/her VP pick.

Simple enough?

[goldcanyonaz]

43. Uh huh, is that why this forum is still all about Clinton all the time?

[PassingFair]

48. Some people only see what they want to.

This forum is NOT about Hillary "all the time".

[blm]

74. Biden admitted his vote was wrong. HRC couldn't since BILL lied to Dems to sell that war for Bush

and she damn well knows it.

[babylonsister]

47. So did Hillary. Why did you support her?

Yes, wrong decisions were made, but at least some people recognized they made a mistake. Not all. :eyes:

[leftynyc]

38. Like a dog with a bone

These Clinton bashing threads are warming the hearts of all freeper lurkers everywhere. Congrats on giving them exactly what they want.

[IsItJustMe]

40. They do suck. You will hear no excuses from me about the Clintons. It's all about them.

[goldcanyonaz]

41. Maybe you want to start another topic about them. Oh, I see you already did that.

*yawn*

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[goldcanyonaz]

46. Except you, is that why you are so upset?

[hell-bent]

50. Oh, that's perfect and funny!

[paulk]

55. "babylonsister" starts another hate thread

anyone surprised?

[polichick]

57. Yet another "blame the messenger" post from you. Not the least bit surprising.

[paulk]

61. another of the lead haters weighs in!

can't get enough can you?

[babylonsister]

59. And paulk continues to ignore reality. Anyone surprised? nt

[paulk]

67. what's that reality, BS?

fill us in on your latest conspiracy theory involving those evil Clintons...

post some more of the flamebait that is your calling card -

it feels so good, doesn't it?

hate hate hate

what a rush...

[babylonsister]

70. Not mine, dear. Hillary's campaign manager is fueling this fire:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/howard_wolfson_confirms_rift_b.php

[Maven]

73. Nope!

Not really.

[dionysus]

85. Paul, this might come as a surprise to you... but the Clinton's days of ruling the party are over.

no one is going to have to kiss their asses anymore and although they are loud, the PUMA assholes have no clout.

[LynneSin]

56. Why in gods name do you want to help the republican party

Ask yourself - WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT THE CLINTONS THINK OR EVEN WORSE WHAT RANDOM DELEGATES, PUMAS, REPUBLICANS WHO CROSSED PARTY LINE AT OPEN-PRIMARY ELECTIONS, AND MSM RIGHT-WING SCREEDS think.

That's where this message is coming from - not the Clintons, from idiots who know that to get John McCain elected we must keep our party divided.

Hillary has been nothing but supportive of Obama. Sure he gave her a few concessions but I like the fact that we will show her some respect at the nominating party until the vote is closed out as unanimous. I think the whole thing shows me that we are a party once divided now coming together.

But ultimately this is about getting Barack Obama elected and this is whom we should focus on. But we'd rather put all our time & effort into dissecting the Clintons.

Really, why would we aid & abet republicans?

[Beacool]

58. Let me put it succinctly:

I don't give a rat's tail end what you, or anybody else for that matter, think of the Clintons.

Some of you hate the Clintons with a passion, who cares? Keep fanning the flames of division and it won't bode very well for the party as a whole.

Whatever, what's the use......

[shaniqua6392]

62. Everyone will be so focused on the Clinton's

that we are going to lose the election. The media is fanning the flames of this anti-Clinton crap and the Democratic Party is falling for it. I can't believe how many DU'ers are still thrashing about in regards to the Clinton's this long after the primaries are over. The race is really close right now because we are still fighting each other rather than fighting against McCain. This is the pattern of the Democrats and that is why we lose more than we win. Hillary Clinton has done everything that was asked of her after the primaries were over and that is good enough for me. Rush Limbaugh would be so happy with this division. It is exactly what the Repukes wanted.

[Barack_America]

63. I'm going to let the Clintons speak...

Before I judge their performances.

The media is clearly doing nothing but speculating and trying to create drama where there, hopefully, is none.

[highplainsdem]

64. I won't waste time trying to "convince" you when your mind is closed. But it's foolish to keep

attacking the Clintons when we need party unity.

Obama has told his supporters more than once to be nice to Hillary Clinton and her supporters.

He's praised her, again and again.

He needs her help to win this fall.

You do NOT unite the party with relentless, vicious attacks by your supporters on your strongest rival in the party and HER supporters.

You especially hurt unity if that rival is already supporting you and the attacks on her continue.

[SeaLyons]

68. I completely agree with you....

but to some here, it's become a habit. They can't help themselves.

[suston96]

65. Hey, don't worry about the Clintons - they are done - they cannot hurt Obama....

.....after November 4 you will never hear from the Clintons or their whining supporters again.

[vaberella]

66. Hey Babylonsister....I'm not a fan of the Clintons but at this point....

I'm tired of listening about them. Come this time Thursday they won't be a worry at all. I hope we can take this election where it should have gone a fortnight ago and that was to focusing on McCain and Obama kicking his arse come election time.

I find focusing on the Clintons moves us away from our target points. I understand of their past role and the role they still have yet to complete in the DNC, but we really can't think on them and especially the negativity they seem to arise. I say we focus on something else. This is a bit too divisive for me.

[No Elephants]

69. Yes, too much focus on the Clintons, positive or negative, is unhealthy. The

Dem candidate is Obama. His opponent is McCain. Those two are the focus.

[Arkansas Granny]

71. What do you hope to accomplish with another negative Clinton thread?

Senator Obama and Senator Clinton are working together to get Senator Obama elected as President this fall. Can you let go of your hatred long enough to see that we all need to follow their example? You are doing yourself and our nominee no good at all by fanning the flames of division.

[babylonsister]

76. Am I allowed to be disgusted by the antics? Is that okay?

And I'm not fanning the flames, I'm discussing the flames-they are everywhere.

[SeaLyons]

75. PLEASE!!!! Just STFU.

Why would you post this negative crap? I don't get it.

[Cha]

81. You STFU.

[SoCalDem]

82. Now you've done it

I have to hit printer-friendly format and scroll all the way down to see what you replied to...you rascal, you :evilgrin:

[dionysus]

86. maybe when the pumas you are so fond of shut up, threads like these won't be posted.

:shrug:

[SeaLyons]

87. ????

Divisive posts serve no purpose, but I guess you're "fond" of them.

:hi:

[Cha]

78. Hi babysonsister..I'm loopless

again.. Who was on charlie rose and what did they say? Thanks.

[babylonsister]

84. Lots of people:

Mark Halperin, Al Hunt, Matthew Dowd, Connie Schultz , Steve McMahon, Michele Norris

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/08/25/1/live-coverage-of-the-democratic-national-convention

...and lots of opinions.

[Bluenorthwest]

79. This is like the work of Rove

OUR nominee needs and seeks unity. Our Party is working hard toward that unity. You are working counter to our objectives as a Party.
What is the objective of such posts as this? What does the OP wish to see happen as a result of the post? Is that result the same result OUR nominee is seeking this week? I think not.
Every post needs to be read for intent and objective. Many claim to support this or that, but the claim is not the key, the objective is the key.
What could be gained for our Party from a post like this? An attack on tonight's speaker, one who was praised by Michelle Obama last night?
And just to put your suspicious mids to rest, I voted for Obama in the Primary, donated to him and the works. I've seen support of Obama, and sister, this is not it.

[Jakes Progress]

83. Welcome to DU's version of MSM.