We are officially on the runaway train to crazy town

[rpannier]

when Oliver North is the voice of reason.

North's take on the use of torture.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

[BuyingThyme]

1. I can't look. What's his take? I'm going to base my position on it.

[rpannier]

2. He says torture doesn't work, has never worked

in fact it quite often gives you erroneous information.

[BuyingThyme]

5. He's the moderate voice of the Republican Party.

[rpannier]

12. And that's very disturbing

when Oliver North is now the moderate.

[Hobarticus]

6. ....the same thing every military man w/o a "thing" for torture

has been saying all along.

Yah, it is grim when "shredder" becomes the voice of reason.

[EFerrari]

3. I can't look either. And I don't know why he isn't Sec of the Treasury.

That bloody sonuvabitch got a lot of people killed. He's a natch for the Bush administration job and a Congresional medal.

[BuyingThyme]

4. You make a good point. They put Negroponte in there, so

why not North?

[EFerrari]

7. I used to translate for Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz.

During our f@cking with Nicaragua.

It was so strange for me, to be translating conversations that our government claimed were not happening. (Because if the two sides weren't talking, then we had a reason to interfere.)

Her last book thinks about how the tactics we used there have been exported to Iraq. "Blood on the Border".

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0896087417/qid=1143616490/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-4599270-4220667?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

These are the people who are ruining this country right now, the same effen people.

/awful typing

[BuyingThyme]

10. Wow, thanks for sharing!

Same people, same effen methods.

[EFerrari]

11. You bet. And those death squads that have appeared in Iraq

aren't just an accident.

We put them there.

This will never stop until we stop it.

peace, Buying Thyme.

[MikeNY]

8. THE REASON NOT TO USE TORTURE IS NOT THAT IT DOESN"T WORK

ITS THAT IT IS WRONG. PERIOD.

[EFerrari]

9. It's wrong, it puts our people in danger and it doesn't work.

I can't believe we are even having to say this.

I don't recognize my country.

[Solly Mack]

13. You know, I wouldn't care if North said Iraq is a war crime

He's still a crook. He still betrayed the country. He's walking about free when he, like the rest, should still be in prison for their roles in Iran-Contra.

America fell through the looking glass a long, long time ago.