TYT: Lisa Miller 'sad' about 'bad guys' in Catholic Church. Cenk not having it.

[ProfessorPlum]

Run time: 13:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI51SJPC_v0   Posted on YouTube: April 01, 2010 By YouTube Member: TYTInterviews Views on YouTube: 1447   Posted on DU: April 02, 2010 By DU Member: ProfessorPlum Views on DU: 1197

 
Some good info, but Miller's apologetic tone is appropriately countered by Cenk's hard line on these organizations where abuse is all but guaranteed.

[izquierdista]

1. They are a CULT!

What part of "they don't get it" do you have to have explained? They spend all their waking hours for years and years studying and believing in "revealed wisdom", dogma, and fairy tales. They don't live in reality; they try to conform the world to their belief system, which is anything but logical.

[liberation]

2. Who are "they?" The main differnce between "religion" and "cult" seems to be membership sizes.

[Enthusiast]

3. I think we are overlooking the

fact that sexual abuse of children, and rape of adult women (especially the poor and minorities), was commonplace and unreported for hundreds(thousands?)of years. I don't mean in the church. I mean in every institution, religious and secular.

Until the women's rights movement rape was generally unreported. Same for child sexual abuse. This only *started* to turn around late in the 20th century.

Think about it. What recourse did an abused American child have, even in the 1950s and early 1960s, if they were abused by their priest (scoutmaster, doctor, teacher or coach). Unless the crimes were incredibly egregious the perpetrator remained in power possibly to even punish the whistle blower.

[snake in the grass]

4. "If drugging and raping boys...

...doesn't get you defrocked, what the hell does?"

I'll tell you, Cenk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_K%C3%BCng">Professor Hans Küng, although not defrocked, was stripped of his license to teach Catholic theology because he questioned the infallibility of the pope. He remains one of the leading critics of the RCC in Germany.

While living in Germany, I read of many cases of nuns in Africa, who had the audacity to recommend condoms. They were excommunicated and fired. Many of these women had been nuns for decades and, in the end, they were left with absolutely nothing; no severance pay, no pension. It seems to hit the women harder and I'm certain the cases are not limited to Germany.

If you are the mother of a nine-year old girl, who was raped and impregnated by her stepfather, and you choose to have the twin fetuses aborted, in order to prevent your daughter from literally being split at the seams, then you will be excommunicated. Of course, the stepfather rapist is exempt.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimen_sollicitationis">Crimen sollicitationis, a document written in 1962 and revised by Joseph Ratzinger in 2001, which provides the guidelines for how the RCC deals with pedophilia, a priest can be defrocked and excommunicated for breaking the silence and going public in sexual abuse cases. Incidentally, the victim, too, can be excommunicated for the same reason.

I'm pleased that the world population seems to have finally reached critical mass and that this 2000-year old criminal organization is being exposed for the misogynistic, misanthropic, greedy, mortophilic, and perverted cabal that it is. This doesn't reflect on individual members, but rather on the foul hierarchy.

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BpmeX6lwZc&playnext_from=TL&videos=w660KJe5AY8">video sums it up quite well.

[JDPriestly]

5. Please post a link to that video again and again here on DU.

The statement of the gentleman witness at the end is just horrifying. Is he for real? Or an actor? Who is he? His statement is so unbelievable that it rings true. Do you know the context of that last part of the video? Where was this man speaking? Who made that video?

[snake in the grass]

7. I would love to...

...post it on the video forum, but, to be honest, I'm scared it will be removed. The title alone is provocative enough as to cause some Catholics here to choke. For some time now I've been very vocal with my opinion of the RCC and have often supplied links to back up my arguments, but, apparently, I offended someone and the posts were removed for breaking DU rules (I can only imagine what would happen if I said what I really think ;-)). The ice is very thin when you even breach the subject of religion, so I have been exercising some self-control when discussing the subject here. I'd hate to have my account deleted because of my stance on religion, but those are the rules. I don't think it's fair, but I will conform, as there are other subjects I like to discuss on DU. Besides, there are other sites where I can be more open about matters of faith. Perhaps things will change as the peeling of this onion continues.

In answer to your question about the video, I don't know who the man is, but there have been many televised forums in Ireland of late, where the public (and especially the victims) were afforded the opportunity to confront members of the church leadership. He is definitely not an actor. I'll research it a bit and see if I can give you a more satisfactory answer. The video itself was made by a gentleman named Thunderf00t, who has an excellent YouTube channel by the same name. He's very good and highly informative in the areas of science, religion, and social issues.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

6. I think a lot of gay Catholics become priests

because they are raised to be ashamed of being gay, and they think becoming a priest will help them to suppress their homosexuality. Of course it never works out. They end up as pedophiles because they are able to molest boys in secret.

This is not to say that there aren't pedophiles who also become priests for the same reason.

[elleng]

8. Pope spending Holy Week in penance?

Wonder what, if anything, he'll say on Sunday.