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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:43 PM
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Did you all know the Immaculate Conception occurred on December 8th?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 06:44 PM by The Backlash Cometh
I didn't know either. I just went to put some notes down in my daily planner and, right there in print from the manufacturer, it says, "Immaculate Conception."

Either that was the quickest gestation period, or the longest.

The inserts are made by Day-Timers, Inc.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:45 PM
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1. Maybe
they meant the immaculate reception by Franco Harris against Oakland.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:46 PM
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2. You think it's a typo?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:48 PM
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3. Perhaps it's meant as a Holy day of obligation, Feast of the Immaculate Conception..
Honestly don't know, but you're right, that was a fast gestation period.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:53 PM
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7. You have a link?
I stopped listening in CCD once they insisted that each Sunday at church, the priest really did convert the wine to the blood of Christ, instead of it being symbolic.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:39 PM
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34. It makes sense when you consider that
Jesus was born in 3 B.C. ...

:wtf:
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:41 PM
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35. That is exactly what it means.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:49 PM
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It just means you don't know
what "Immaculate conception" means.

It doesn't refer to the conception of Jesus. That doctrine is known as the Virgin Birth.

Immaculate Conception refers to the doctrine that Mary was conceived (BY HER MOTHER) without original sin. It has nothing to do with Jesus, other than it made Mary the sinless vehicle needed to bear the Messiah.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:53 PM
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30. Terminolgy gets confusing here
Jesus conception = The Virgin Birth
Jesus was conceived by God (oh dang, can't think of whom except No One)
Mary conceived without Original Sin (how could this be, since all of us women have Original Sin on us?)

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that immaculate conception meant Mary,guess that was why she was to be Jesus' mom, as you wrote. Ever see the movie "Hail Mary"?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:49 PM
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4. the feast of the immaculate conception celebrates
the revelation that the christ child is the child of god. or so they say. i have recovered from my catholic upbringing, so i think not. but...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:50 PM
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5. No
I believe that's the Annunciation, and it's celebrated in March.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:51 PM
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6. No ....the day was set aside to honor the Immaculate Conception
it did not happen then. And besides, Jesus was not really born Christmas 25th. He was born in the summer. They set th e25th aside as a day to celebrate his birth.

And that makes the republicans so much more stupid to start the hype of Christmas.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:53 PM
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8. It gets curiouser and curiouser.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:55 PM
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11. No, it doesn't
you seem not to know what the Immaculate Conception is.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:56 PM
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14. You seem to make it your life mission to tell everyone.
Provide a link.

My comment was directed to the comment that Christ was born in the summer, FYI.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:58 PM
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15. Here ya go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception#Protestantism

It's not my life's work. It's just a common error people make, and I'm pointing out the reality.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:02 PM
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17. Okay, so, if they reserve the term, "Immaculate Conception" to mean
Mary's birth from her mother, what it the correct term for the conception of Christ?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:03 PM
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18. the Virgin Birth
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 07:04 PM by MonkeyFunk
I don't know that there's any specific name for the conception of Jesus.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:07 PM
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20. Well, thanks, MoneyFunk.
I learned something tonight.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:50 PM
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38. The Incarnation, which "occurred" on the day Catholics celebrate as the Annunciation
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:38 PM
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50. One of the tenets of my Protestant upbringing I like
is the rejection of the idea of "original sin". It makes so much more sense than thinking innocent babies are born already having sinned in some way.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:54 PM
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10. The Immaculate Conception has
nothing to do with the conception of Jesus.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:56 PM
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13. So far
you and I seem to be the only people in this thread that is aware of that, MonkeyFunk.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:59 PM
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16. It's a pretty common mistake
in my experience.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:06 PM
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19. Especially since even wiki said it was a doctrine that was required to be taught.
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 07:11 PM by The Backlash Cometh
"He did not define the doctrine as a dogma, thus leaving Roman Catholics freedom to believe in it or not without being accused of heresy; this freedom was reiterated by the Council of Trent."

On edit, I meant to say it was NOT a doctrine that was required.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:09 PM
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It was confirmed as official Catholic dogma in 1854.
It's one of the very few doctrines ever to be issued under the umbrella of Papal Infallibilty.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:14 PM
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23. I went to Catholic school for six years of my life, and it was never
taught as referring to Mary's birth. Probably a sexist thing.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:15 PM
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24. weird
I went to public school, and only attended catechism for a few years, but I knew what it was.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:03 PM
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32. Me neither but that's probably so we wouldn't ask what conception meant.
lol


It's my godmother's and my saint's day. When I was a kid, my family celebrated this day for us much more than our birthdays.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:09 PM
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21. Very true
Most Roman Catholics I know don't even know the difference. Including my parents and brother.


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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:11 PM
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22. No.
The twenty-fifth was deemed Jesus' birthday because that was the celebration of Mithras' birthday in Rome at a time when Christians were hustling converts. That way, the newly Christianized didn't have to give up a major festival. Just good marketing.


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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:15 PM
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25. I thought that it was Saturnalia... ?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 07:29 PM by Dorian Gray
No?

Mithras wasn't a Roman God, was he?


Edited because I looked it up, and he was indeed a Roman God. Why I thought he had his origins in Eastern Europe/Western Asia (Turkey), I have no clue! Sorry about that!

But Saturnalia did occur from the 17th-23rd of December as a festival holiday.



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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:53 PM
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9. Immaculate Conception
refers to Mary's Conception.

Besides, it's a Catholic Holy Day. I don't think other religions, even other Christian religions, observe the Immaculate Conception.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:56 PM
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12. Correct
it's purely a Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants don't even believe in I.C.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:16 PM
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26. I was curious
however, about Anglicans. (Or High Anglicans.) Do they believe in the IC? Or possibly a Lutheran denomination?


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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:07 PM
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42. As far as I know, it's a lesser holy day in the Anglican tradition
like much else, some do, some don't. It's by no means required belief, although in the anglo-catholic tradition in Anglicanism you might find it more likely to be celebrated.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:12 PM
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43. Thanks Jerseygirl!
You're definitely my "go to" girl regarding everything Episcopalian/Anglican on DU! :)



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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:19 PM
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45. Oh gosh
I've only been an Episcopalian for some 15 years now. I'm by no means an expert, I assure you!

I try to get it right, but I'm happy to stand corrected at any time by someone with better knowledge!

It's nice to see you again here -- it's been a while!
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:25 PM
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46. It's good to see you again, too!
:)


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:35 PM
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49. I'm an ex-Lutheran
Nothing about the Immaculate Conception, a lot about the Virgin Birth.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:07 AM
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53. Luther seems to have believed in the Immaculate Conception, concerning which he apparently wrote
"But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin..."
http://www.mariology.com/sections/reformers.html

But I myself have never heard it expounded as a doctrine in any Lutheran church
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:07 AM
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54. Interesting...
thanks for that info, struggle4progress.

:)


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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:48 PM
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41. The Winnah!
Many people mistakenly think it is about the immaculate conception of Jesus.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:20 PM
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27. Even if it's supposed to be the anniversary of the immaculate conception (which it isn't)...
what would be quick about the gestation?

If my grandmother had gotten pregnant in early December 1943, does that make it quick for me to be born in late December a few decades later?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:45 PM
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28. The Church has its own calendar year that depicts everything from
the 2 or 3 thousand years before Christ was born (presented in the 4 weeks of Advent), to the Annunciation where Mary discovered she was expecting, to Christmas, to 30-something years of Jesus' life presented in about 90 - 120 days (to Easter), and so on.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:48 PM
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29. The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary's conception and not Jesus'.
A very common misunderstanding. I have no idea what date is given for her ostensible birth.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:01 PM
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31. At least I tried to tell my girlfriend's Dad it must have been immaculate
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 08:01 PM by rurallib
I can still feel where the gun barrels stuck in my ribs.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:49 PM
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37. Another common misunderstanding
"Being born without Original Sin" doesn't have anything to do with being born without sexual relations having talen place between one's parents. Original Sin is the sin passed down from Adam and Eve to all mankind, which they earned from eating the fruit of the tree that was forbidden to them. According to Catholic dogma, Mary was the only human born on earth who did not inherit this Original Sin upon her birth. (I believe that this needed to be true according to the Church so that she would be a fitting human vehicle to serve as the mother of Jesus Christ.)

Anyway, the point here is, "immaculate conception" has nothing to do with the idea of sexual relations as "sinful."
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:10 PM
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33. Welcome to the St. Boniface home for retired holy days
of obligation. Don't forget to make a donation on your way out.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:46 PM
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36. I saw a fundie website once with some interesting info.
According to that website, December 8th would have been an appropriate time for the Immaculate Conception, because they figure that JC's birthday was......





wait for it.........





September 11. :wow:

I don't remember the URL or all the details, but apparently they figured that the birth of Christ must have taken place sometime near Rosh Hoshanah, the Jewish New Year.

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:51 PM
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39. Which just goes to prove the fundies don't know what the Immaculate Conception is either.
And why are they so keen to pin down the date of Jesus' birth anyway? I remember some kid telling me when I was a kid that Jesus was actually born on February 4. But really, any claim to have pinned down the actual date is all a bunch of nonsense.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:57 PM
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40. Maybe they meant Franco Harris' Immaculate Reception?
Hmmm..no, that occurred on December 23rd.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:29 PM
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48. Hah! The Immaculate Reception
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:43 PM
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51. I saw Harris' Immaculate Reception live on TV ...
Boy, did my dad and I hoot and holler about that for 15 solid minutes! (I was living in the far reaches of "Stiller" country at the time -- that's "Steeler" country to all yunz jagoffz without a Western Pennsylvania-to-English dictionary.)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:15 PM
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44. It is the day of a religious festival, not intended to be the exact day God did Mary.
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 11:16 PM by L. Coyote
:rofl: Imagine her surprise, "RAPE, RAPE."
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:26 PM
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47. Used to ne a Holy Day
of Obligation in the RC ordo.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:46 PM
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52. OK all you Catholics and Lapsed Catholics ... sing along with me ...
Immaculate Mary, your praises we sing;
You reign now in splendor with Jesus our King.
Ave, ave, ave, Maria! Ave, ave, Maria!

In heaven, the blessed your glory proclaim;
On earth we, your children, invoke your sweet name.
Ave, ave, ave, Maria! Ave, ave, Maria!

We pray for the Church, our true Mother on earth,
And beg you to watch o'er the land of our birth.
Ave, ave, ave, Maria! Ave, ave, Maria!

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