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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 09:35 PM Original message |
Giving birth becomes the latest job outsourced to India as commercial surrogacy takes off |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. I thought for sure that this would be from either The Onion or satiricalpolitical.com |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Farmers have been doing this for decades.. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Those are all very good points. I don't frankly see much difference between |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I see a difference |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. How do you know they are not? You assume way too much. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. A quote from becomeasurrogatemom.com: |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Wowwww getting involved one time |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Gee -- most will visit ONCE during the pregnancy? |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I guess I wasn't making my point clear enough. My point is that surrogacy there is not |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Geez, not the race card again! |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Thank You. n/t |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Actually, I do see an element of racism at work here |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. When the impoverishment of many is a 'convenience' to some ... |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. The same kind of arrangements are made here. Some women chose to fill a financial need by carrying |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. So... you think it's okay to treat human women the same way farmers treat animals? |
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Fed_Up_Grammy (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm speechless ! |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. Inevitable. If everyone's happy, I don't see anything wrong with it. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. Holy "Handmaid's Tale," Batman! |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Why? What exactly is wrong with it that isn't wrong with surrogacy here? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. A poor woman don't have the resources to pursue legal cases long distance |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. It's not her baby. Do you understand what surrogacy actually |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. It isn't *genetically* related, but pregnancy is biological |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Exactly - this sense of entitlement to biological offspring in the wealthy is pretty |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Usually they just come to California. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. The Boys from Bangalore |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Almost all surrogate parenting arrangements are made because of infertility |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Yes. The economic disparity makes it exploitative, and adoption is a far more friendly alternative |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Excellent post, jpgray |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. Adoption is so difficult that almost nobody can actually do it. I've seen that up close. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. for white infants this is true.... not so much for older, darker babies. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. My friend has been trying to adopt any child under 3 |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. That's the myth. Doesn't hold up though. Why do you think there are so many foreign adoptions? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. maybe it's easier in NY where we don;t discriminate based on religion or sexual orientation |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. Good post except for 1 point. Question about the "potentially dangerous" bit |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. the point being, you are paying someone to do something dangerous, incredibly physically |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Not just the 2 choices and of course. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. i dont; see why that distinction is important... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. But increasingly it's only "infertility" because the couple is too old to concieve. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. That's not really fair |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. If it's important to somebody, they work around those things. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. funny people think poor women should suffer because they themselves want to struggle less when |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
75. It IS ethically complex |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
15. I find this sickening |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You're Right... |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. It also hurts the environment |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. Adoption isn't easy |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
19. While we here in the states can be above it all |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Yes! Let's use our economic might to compel poor folk to take on dangerous work we won't do! |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. exactly. it amazes me that some here project that these women find it "fulfilling" to spend 9 mos |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Not one person has said that these women find |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. "valuable and worthwhile" would have whizzed over your head, huh? that means fulfilling |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. So, your suggestion is to let them |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. taken? it's a new form of trade- so we wonder why haven't more progressive opportunities opened up |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. So they should be grateful for exploitation, -because- they are desperate? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Want it or not, if those adult women, they can do whatever it |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Yet there are some things that should not be up for sale. And I'll wager I can prove it to you |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Being pregnant is legal anywhere in the world, I presume. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. As that has nothing to do with your earlier argument, is it safe to say you've abandoned it? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Oh please. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Are all equally free to decide? Are there no limits to what they can choose to sell? |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
23. John Sayles made a movie sort of about this subject |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. Or... |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Believe it or not, for some people that is not possible |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I am sorry |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Adoption isn't easy either |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Adoption is so difficult that almost nobody can actually do it. n/t |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. wow, i can count four in my office. two are gay, another is single.... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
69. Indeed. A lot of the reason adoption is "difficult" is because |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. see post #37 |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
47. The movie "Coma" is looking more and more plausible each day |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
49. Brave New World..... |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
56. Whoa, 15 pregnant women in the same room. Reminded me of Battlestar Galactica |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
58. Funny how wealth, vacations, health care, yachts, etc. are never "out-sourced". |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
61. This reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode. |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-31-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
62. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!! Now we're outsourcing our babies! |
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