BigDog raises 911 specter in speech ..Geeezzzz

[gaiilonfong]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/29/AR2007122901736.html?hpid=topnews

Now tell me Wolfson isn't using Rovian tactics??????
Do we really want this for 4 to 8 years....NOT I!

This is something Dumbya Bush would do!
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"Addressing more than 100 supporters at a VFW hall here Saturday, Clinton used the strongest language he has so far in the campaign to describe the threats facing the nation, making an oblique reference to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and saying that the "most important thing of all" in selecting a nominee is the question of who could best manage unforeseen catastrophes. "

[HCE SuiGeneris]

1. Right out of Gu911ani's playbook.

:puke:

[CrispyQ]

2. "...who could best manage unforeseen catastrophes."

Joe Biden, that's who.

[gaiilonfong]

5. Even though I support Obama I agree with you about Biden

He is the most experienced and articulate on Foreign Policy!

[kurth]

3. Another convergence of the Bush and Clinton dynasties

[mod mom]

4. It works back to Hillary's (rovian) strategy: BE AFRAID

Hillary's Final Strategy: Be Afraid
December 29, 2007 05:55 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/29/hillarys-final-strategy_n_78720.html

[EFerrari]

7. I managed to get through the Clinton years with some respect

for both of them. That's being eroded pretty quickly.

[mod mom]

10. Just a guess...

but I would guess you're better informed now. Am I right?

[EFerrari]

43. Yep. I was in grad school for most of that time, with two kids

and on my own. I didn't do Thanksgiving, let alone politics.

[babylonsister]

13. Yep; further proof they'll say just about anything. Doesn't do much

for any respect I might have had left either.

[Moochy]

9. Just saw her scaring audiences in Iowa on Chris Matthews

Moochy's Creative Paraphrasing of What Hillary Said:

"If something unexpected happens, something big and scary that will interrupt your children's soccer games, Polls say I'm more experienced than Obama."

And Andrea Mitchell and Joe Klein agreed with this premise!

[Cha]

28. Yeah, hillary will feed the machine..

the corporatemediawhores and military complex War Machine. I'm thinking those mediawhores are betting a repuke is not goin' get it this time, thanks to retarded monkey, so their next best bet is "ol' scare 'em" hillary. Scare those people into submission..yeah, she's scary, alright.

[Sugar Smack]

6. Unforseen catastrophes, eh?

Like, no memos or threats or anything involved, right? Like maybe a meteor? Wait, there's someone on that already. Maybe a hurricane, like Katrina, right? Global warming! Wait, Bird Flu. Hold on, that didn't happen..

[NYC]

15. Definition of unforeseen:

Foreseen only by those we choose to ignore.

[Sugar Smack]

17. Pretty much, and don't be making my head explode over here.

You are on-freaking-target. Too on-freaking-target. :hug:

[NYC]

20. If your head hasn't exploded by now,

it is tough enough to withstand anything.

(Dare I say even the handle on a sun roof?)

I think we've been had, and I don't foresee anything changing.

[Sugar Smack]

26. I know. And it seems to break down like this:

Accept the things you cannot change
Change the things you can
And have the wisdom (& courage) to know the difference.

Warnings, from science and from direct threats, can inspire us all to take immediate action. The palpable power seems to lie within the political system. Even within our own personal limits, we can take action for ourselves and those we care for. I don't forsee anything changing either.

[NYC]

31. I've come to the conclusion the only way to get things done

is to act locally, the smaller the territory, the better.


Accept the things I cannot change: Federal government. They are beholden to corporations, not people.

Change the things I can: Local, very local.

Know the difference: I'm finally beginning to believe there is no hope federally. Perhaps that is learning the difference.


Beyond that, I boycott substandard imports. I don't reward or encourage people who sell poisoned pet food, or fish grown in sewage. I recycle. I walk my feet off in search of American made products, and New York State grown food.

It's a race to the bottom, and I try not to hasten it.

[gaiilonfong]

33. I agree Elect more and BETTER Democrats

at the local level and then make them into the stars of the party.

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. Perhaps if this were an issue in 2000 we wouldn't be in the mess

we're in right now.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Should be "BigBlueDog"

[burythehatchet]

12. In keeping with the campaig's closing argument: Be Afraid.

[TwilightGardener]

14. What makes Hillary any more qualified to handle "unforeseen catastrophes"?

Uh...nothing. Unless you count Monica-gate, but I'm pretty sure Hillary "foresaw" that catastrophe.

[Cha]

29. hillary and ol' bill must think that

hillary's enablin' bushit all these years has earned her a pass into the repuke's claim on National Security..that they were in charge of when 9/fucking/11 happened.

[TwilightGardener]

35. 9/11 is pretty much untouched territory--Obama and Edwards don't

run on fear. Hillary might as well pull a Rudy! She's got terra all to herself on the Dem side.

[gaiilonfong]

37. And she can keep it to herself...n/t

[Cha]

39. Hoping the ones who

decide our nominee are just so sick and tired of the same ol' bullshit as we are.

[peacetalksforall]

16. Well here is my headline - THE CLINTONS HAVE SLIPPED AND

ARE SLIPPING - DOWN, in this voter's self-polling of self and analysis conducted by self.

[Sugar Smack]

21. *snort*

:spray: :patriot:

[Peregrine Took]

18. Nothing this rethug-lite and his team do surprises me. n/t

[undeterred]

19. "HE"... what is He Clinton doing campaigning today?

This is just too much.

[dailykoff]

22. Funny how the terrists are making appearances right on cue.

Assassination in Pakistan -- Hillary ready, Obama reckless! Bin Laden IV or V issues a video -- Bill steps up to the microphone! I've suspected for a while that these two are in it up to their necks and this week they're confirming it.

[gaiilonfong]

23. Remember when BiGDog said "HOW DARE YOU"

to the person who asked a question about the gov't knowing about 911?

HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Makes one wonder don't it???

[dailykoff]

25. Yep.

Spanked 'em good didn't he.

[Cha]

30. bill doth protest

too much. Turns out bill really is slick willy.

[gaiilonfong]

32. Yep, I am a glad that the progressive blogosphere

is rehashing the Clinton presidency. It has been very interesting indeed!

[Cha]

36. bill's actions have

created it. He's lied, supported the War On Iraq, lied again.. squirming around trying to get his wife to get him back into our whitehouse.

When bushit leaves on Jan 20, 2009, I want someone in there to give us a future on the road to healing our country..not the same ol bullshit.

[gaiilonfong]

38. Couldn't have said it better

Thank you!

[NYC]

34. I had forgotten that.

Thanks for the reminder.

[gaiilonfong]

40. I was really taken back by his reaction that day

I found it very wierd. His reaction was so ugly, and he pointed his finger and turned blood red.
That picture of him doing that is still stuck in my minds eye, and it is curious to say the least, that his reaction was so bold and angry!

[TwilightGardener]

44. Thought that was weird too--what's his stake in the story of 9/11?

[NYC]

45. It was a very Bush-like reaction.

Was that picture online? I would love to see it.

[Cha]

24. That would be Gore..

your Vice President, slick, that you showed no fucking respect for along with the rest of the country when you couldn't control your dick.

[HughMoran]

27. lol

Only during the primary season would this have any meaning...

[Evergreen Emerald]

41. wait a minute: Obama and Edwards can use fear, but when Clinton does

its wrong?

What a load of horse *hit.

[gaiilonfong]

42. Obama and Edwards have NEVER used the 911 ReTHUGlican meme

Sorry you are NOT getting away with that lie.

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. BS: they are using fear

The fear that Clinton will mean more war / more deaths / more poverty .

Their whole platform is: Clinton will destroy America.

[gaiilonfong]

50. TRIANGULATING AGAIN

This is about using the ReTHUGlican 911 meme, you are posting on a forum that has critical thinkers, so save it, for people who are low-info voters.
If you would like to start a different thread, go ahead.
How about responding to the fact that YOUR candidates campaign is using the 911 Ghouliani, ReTHUGlican fear meme. Then we can have a debate!

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. Really? YOu don't get it? They are using fear.

Fear that we will be at war. Fear that the war will never end. Fear that 911 made us unsafe and we need to find a way out and Clinton will keep us there forever.

They are all using fear. I guess, nuance escapes you. No wonder our country is in such trouble.

[sniffa]

55. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3906484

[Sugar Smack]

57. I LOVE you, and

PLEASE send my belated birthday regards to the real Mrs. Sniffa.:loveya: :hug:

[sniffa]

58. i love you too. and done

:loveya:

[Sugar Smack]

47. I don't know much about Obama, but

I'm from NC and I know a LOT about Edwards. GO, JOHNNY! :yourock:

[Perry Logan]

48. LOGIC ALERT: Just because Republicans use terrorism to get votes doesn't mean there's no terrorism.

It would be a weird campaign that didn't allude to 9/11. But Clinton haters will jump at any damn thing. They're in a grumpy mood right now because they know Hillary is going to win. This brings out their most rabid behavior, I'm afraid.

Kinda weird the former President can't hint at terrorism, when he's the one guy around who spent eight years actually protecting America against terrorists. To the casual observer, he might seem qualified to talk about the matter.

Warning America about terrorism is nothing new for Bill. During his second term, he mentioned terrorism in virtually every major speech--suggesting it's not just a wicked campaign ploy by The Evil Clintons.

But of course, for Clinton-haters, BREATHING constitutes a wicked campaign ploy on the part of the Clintons, doesn't it?

Note that Bill's great sin here boils down to an alleged "oblique reference" to 9/11. Now I want you to calm down and think. Breathe slowly. Can you see that oblique references are not the technique of choice for fearmongers? No? Then let's move on...

In condemning Clinton's blood-chilling allusion to 9/11, you are surrendering the whole issue to the Republicans without a fight. And you guys say the Democrats in Congress are cowards!

As always, the anti-Clinton people compulsively attack. They repeat this behavior over and over again--like nothing so much as a bunch of wingers. By now, it's plain to everyone but themselves that they will condemn everything the Clintons say or do. Imagine if that energy could be harnessed for fighting Republicans!

[DemGa]

49. Exactly right

Of course, the Repukes then called it "wag the dog."

And Bill will be Hillary's closest advisor if elected. I feel pretty good about that.

[gaiilonfong]

51. No just condemn their using Rove's playbook on winning elections

thru fear!
You are barking up teh wrong tree

[mnhtnbb]

52. Sounds like the Big Dawg has been hangin' out too much with Poppy Bush

[gaiilonfong]

54. Yep, way too much

And Hillary's ROVE Wolfson will continue to alienate Democrats and progressives by these Rovian tactics!

[Cha]

56. There ya go..the clintons

act like they are victims of the Stockholm Syndrome at best. At worst, they were this conniving throughout their history.

It's like they know they wouldn't get anywhere going up against the bushites so they made their pact and joined 'em. And here we go again unless we can stop them.

[LeftCoast]

59. Please. You'd criticize her as naive if she didn't mention it.

Seriously, there is nothing that the Clinton campaign can do that the haters on this board won't spin.

Oh, and spare me the faux outrage. I'm over it all ready.