The Bush Administration is what the Founding Fathers Had In Mind when they thought of Impeachment

[berni_mccoy]

There simply is no better example of the need for Impeachment than the current administration. And we aren't talking about just Impeachment of the President. The U.S. Constitution covers impeachment of ANY member of the government. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Gonzales and the entire White House Iraq Group needs to be impeached. Members of PNAC need to be rounded up and thrown in prison for treason, for they are one of the instigating organizations that has led us to the Iraq War and the perverted perception of Imperial Powers of the Presidency. The last time I checked a history book, the Founding Fathers fought imperialism and explicitly drafted the U.S. Constitution to create a weakly powered President. The Founding Fathers wanted the PEOPLE to have the power and that is why, even today, a single State has the ability to initiate the Impeachment of the President. The Republican party should be forever shamed for pushing a tiny little turd of a man who has no confidence in himself, yet is power hungry beyond the limits of respect and so juvenile that he can't form proper sentences or bring himself to behave during formal afairs. But it is worse than having a spoiled, driveling, nose-picking brat of a president. Those around him would seek to violate the civil rights of the people, wrongfully assassinate the character of their opponents through libel, use made up reasoning with a corrupt attorney general to commit crimes and to maintain the power of their administration. But deeper into the abyss, they fund and aide our enemies by committing treasonous acts like exposing a top secret CIA organization tracking nuclear proliferation in the middle east for a simple juvenile vendetta.

Yes, the Founding Fathers had quite the foresight. They saw what unbridled imperialism can do. They envisioned George W. Bush and his Cabal of Criminals. And they created a safeguard for it called Impeachment.

Democratic Congress, it is time to use this tool that the Founding Fathers gave you. Please hurry. Every day, every minute counts.

[leftofthedial]

1. If these criminals are not impeached

then the United States of America is exposed as an utter sham.

There has never been a clearer example of the necessity of impeachment. If the crimes of this cabal are allowed to stand without even a symbolic protest being raised, then our country is no longer a nation of laws.

You are exactly right. :thumbsup:

[porphyrian]

2. You are absolutely correct. - n/t

[OneGrassRoot]

3. An observation this morning...

First berni_mccoy, I completely agree with you. :)

In listening to the news in the background as I work this morning, there was a theme: Congress, Congress, Congress.

There was mention about how the CIA leak case could be delved into further if Congress decides to run with it.

Mention of Congress' Walter Reed investigation

Mention of Congress investigating credit card rates

Mention of Congress investigating the fired attorneys scandal


Several times I heard (from nonpartisan people being interviewed) how Congress is finally providing oversight and doing something about injustices, rather than the rubber-stamp Congress in place for the previous six years.

I was not very encouraged about this Dem Congress even a couple of days ago, but there seems to have been a sea change. Everything converging at once and it shows that Congress is, in fact, DOING something positive. Yay!!!!! :bounce:

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Non-Binding Impeachment!

The Battlin' Congressional Dems should jump on the non-binding impeachment train - it's perfect for them. It addresses Bush's rampant criminality - but it doesn't go too far. It also leaves open the option of cash payments from the BFEE in the future, should Junior decide to not honor their suggestion.

The perfect triangulation! And it can be ours!

[meldroc]

17. WRONG! Enough of this non-binding crap.

I'm sick of non-binding. Non-binding means a masturbatory circle-jerk that accomplishes absolutely nothing. I could care less about "triangulation." It doesn't work. Bush will do nothing but snicker at such tactics.

The only thing Bush will pay attention to is FORCE.

FORCE him to bring the troops home from Iraq.

FORCE him to refrain from attacking Iran.

FORCE him to disclose what happened that resulted in the outing of Valerie Plame.

And FORCE him out of the White House at gunpoint.

I can't respect a Congress that won't grow some fucking testicles and do what absolutely has to be done to save our country. People should be rioting in the streets until Bush, Cheney and the rest of the psychopaths are removed from office.

[rasputin1952]

5. Oddly enough, impeachment and trial might not be the answer here...

While I certainly agree that this is the worst administration this nation has ever seen, (and hopefully will ever see again), to add impeachmnet to the "to do" list one should be certain that there are the votes in the Senate to ensure conviction, otherwise impeachment is little more than a vote of "no confidence", something that bush already knows.

I believe that processes we know little about, (the hidden power of the GOP), are setting the stage just as they did w/Nixon. The Cheney phlebitis situation gives them an out for an extremely unpopular VP to retire from public service, opening the door to place a moderate R in the position that will cause very few ripples in the political pool. If Cheney goes, bush will follow soon after that, a new VP would become president & vie for re-election.

By keeping pressure on for impeachmnent I'm sure will be a catalyst for this to happen, as well as neuter bush and Congress take back some of its Constitutional power; the same power it gave away to the Executive Branch over the years.

To be honest, impeachment would be akin to blood letting in medicine, it serves no purpose if it cannot be part of the cure. W/O a Senate conviction, the issue is moot.

editted: horrid spelling error, need more coffee...:)

[berni_mccoy]

6. According to your own argument, there can be no pressure unless we have the votes

And I don't see what is so hard about choosing Republics to side with and giving them whatever they want to ensure their vote. There is no other more important issue than this. The Democratic Congress needs to get the job done on this and secure the votes. The "we don't have the votes" argument is no excuse.

[rasputin1952]

7. I'm not saying that impeachment should be off the table, I ask for

increased pressure for the House to draw up articles of impeachment. Impeachment is one thing, conviction is another.

We need 63 votes to convict, implausible but certainly not impossible. I doubt we could get >12 votes from the Senate R's...maybe more than that if members are out, sick or die during the process of trial.

if the House looks like it will impeach, we will go down the path Nixon began. The GOP is willing to accede power for a short time, after all, we got Carter after Nixon/Ford, but then we got 12 years of Reagan/Bush...:(

I despise bush as much as anyone here, and I believe him to be a complete failure at everything he has attempted in his life, I also believe there are power GOP types out there that realize this clown has rocked the boat to the point of capsizing, and will push him out before it is too late to set up a new VP before the next election cycle. With all of the discord in the GOP at this point, a much less polarizing figure than Cheney must be in the VP seat before bush is edged out. The powers behind the GOP have already shown their power by the somewhat contrite bush over the last few months. bush is still an idiot, but his demeanor has changed markedly, he a 'quieter idiot" now. I believe he has been told to back off or risk being "Nixoned", even this moron can understand that...:D

Over the next two weeks we will see a shift, if Cheney leaves because of his phlebitis, it's all over for bush. The public spectacle of impeachment and trial would be great press and a joy to watch, especially if he were called to defend himself; however this will also divert much time and energy from issues that need to be addressed and fixed very quickly. Sending him into oblivion via the GOP power players is by far the better of the options at this point...:)

[Hissyspit]

8. Brother, you speak the truth!

[Starfury]

9. Absolutely!

If we're to regain our democracy, we need real action by Congress, starting with subpoenas and serious, formal investigations. Given what we already know, in any rational world this will inevitably lead to impeachment (and frankly, incarceration) of much of this administration. But without the formal investigations, subpoenas, public testimony, etc., there's no chance.

The next few weeks are critical to our future.

[Canuckistanian]

10. Jefferson envisioned Cheney when he wrote about impeachment

A despot, accountable to no one, serving a despicable purpose.

That's what Jefferson hoped to avoid at at all costs in the New Republic.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. If we love our nation, we must impeach our President.

[knight_of_the_star]

12. We have to make it a slow cook

You don't cook frogs by dropping them in boiling water, you put them in room temp then turn it up until its too late. We need investigations, Congressional testimony, more criminal trials and indictments, impeachment shouldn't be the stretch to take them out but the killing blow on an administration dying from death by a thousand cuts. Taking out Bush and his cronies is all well and good, but if we don't root out the structure that gave birth to them in the body politic, make it THE third rail of American politics to be associated with the policies of his backers in any way, then we not only deal with the problem now but for our children and their children.

[Kurovski]

13. K&R.(nt)

:thumbsup:

[Kablooie]

14. Forget it. Our honorable Congress will NEVER impeach these asshairs.

They will get out of this scott free.

Just watch.

And then we'll have to vote out the entire Democratic Congress as well.

[Kurovski]

15. Have you been calling your Rep, or are you merely making assumptions?

Were you told this, and when you were, did you then remind your Rep that there are certain duties they must attend to?

Have you taken the anger and cynicism I detect here and directed it toward the govt, where it might actually serve as a little grease to get the wheel turning?

[Kablooie]

16. My representative is a dyed in the wool Republican. No help there.

I wrote him a few times.

I received in return a form letter proudly praising Bush and all his policies.

Barf.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. TEXTBOOK example of an administration that SHOULD BE Impeached.

and you are so right when you say this is what our founding fathers had in mind. Impeachment = psycho-in-chief type administration. THIS IS IT...and, unfortunately, WE had to live through it.:(