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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:23 PM
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Golden Source: Clark Will Run! (MSNBC):
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 05:23 PM by Dinger
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16710815/from/ET/

10. Wesley Clark
Retired general Last Ranking: tied for 6
He told a golden source of ours over the holidays that he was going to run. Stay tuned... And yet he's suddenly looking extremely inactive compared to the rest of the field.


I'm not too worried about his ranking in this poll. I have a feeling that things will change, soon.






:patriot:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:26 PM
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1. ALL HAIL...WESLEY K. CLARK!!!

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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:26 PM
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2. a spot on some ticket would be good.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:28 PM
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3. YES!!!!!!!!!!!
:) :D :P :7 B-) O8) :party: :toast: :bounce: :think: :thumbsup: :kick: :headbang: :yourock: :applause: :patriot:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:29 PM
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4. U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A!
U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A!
U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A!
U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A! U WES A!

YEAH! I'm so EXCITED. I just can't hide it!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:31 PM
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5. I'm sure there is a position for Wes in the next Administration...
If he isn't the nominee...
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:35 PM
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6. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
thank goodness!! clark can repair what bush has done.. with the help of others. im glad to see he's offering his service again.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:41 PM
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7. I hope so.
We need Wes Clark in the White House.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:43 PM
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8. Welcome to the party General !
:popcorn:
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:48 PM
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9. My guy is running!??!! Oh, happy day! Go, Wes!
:woohoo:
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:50 PM
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10. This is very exciting!! I really hope he enters soon so he can
gain some exposure. Now would be a good time.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:50 PM
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11. He is SO much better than Hillary!
This man has what it takes. He has always been my family's first choice!
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:54 PM
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12. This is so good in many ways
I'm going to make some bumper stickers and t shirt iron on messages.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:58 PM
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13. I've Had A Clark '08 Sticker On My Bumper Since June 2005
I need to replace it. It's a little faded. I have two Clark '08 long sleeve t-shirts, and two short-sleeve t-shirts. I need to get the Clark '08 coffee mug and flaunt it at work! :patriot:
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:23 PM
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28. Ha!Ha! Too cool! I'm SOOOOOO HAAAPPPYYY YEAH!!!
.......
,,,,,,:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:07 AM
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78. Heck, I still drive around with 2004 CLARK sticker. . .
because I intend to tape an eight over the four VERY SOON. . .and my son has same driving over in San Diego. . .we got the 2 coasts covered. . .U-WES-A. . U-WES-A. . .U-WES-A!!!

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:00 PM
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14. I would applaud his candidacy.
He's one of my four favorites, none of whom so far has entered the race.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:10 PM
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19. Huh. Feingold, Gore, what would be the forth?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:12 PM
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23. You haven't been paying attention.
John Kerry, of course. :)
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:28 PM
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30. Okay. I must have missed the thread or something. I will vote for
whoever the nominee is in Nov 2008 ... assuming * hasn't blown up the world by then.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:56 PM
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36. Well, I will, too, of course.
but we all have our favorites. The only Democrat I can think of right now that I absolutely would not vote for under any circumstances is Joe Lieberman, but I don't think any of us need to worry about that eventuality. :) I'm just looking for someone with some wisdom who has a proven progressive record, not just in words but in actions. John Kerry, Al Gore and Russ Feingold, especially, fit that bill nicely -- and I've always been impressed by General Clark.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:37 AM
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107. I call them the Security/Environmentalist candidates.
:) :thumbsup:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:58 PM
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38. He's top three for me - Kerry, Clark and Gore. Experience and honesty matters.
To. Me.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:04 PM
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15. hot dog!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:06 PM
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16. He's only "looking extremely inactive"
because the corporate media rarely reports on any of his activities.

I worry that the corporate gatekeepers will keep him marginalized no matter what he does. :(
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:11 PM
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21. He used to have Clark casts. It hadn't been updated in so long that I
unsubscribed.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:12 PM
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22. They Might Try Crunchy, But His Supporters WILL Change That!
Keep the faith!:)
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:08 PM
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17. he needs to announce.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:09 PM
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18. CLARK and DA BEARS!!!!!


WE ARE WINNERS BABY!!!!!! THANK YOU DINGER!!!!!! WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:13 PM
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24. I Will Root For The Bears In The Superbowl IF:
payton manning & the dolts represent the AFC.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:11 PM
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20. Go Get Em WES !!!
:kick:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:15 PM
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25. This is the only candidate that will get my money and time. n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:19 PM
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39. me too, tatiana. I want to be a delegate. I've never been to
denver. ;)
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:17 PM
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45. Ditto for me! It's Clark all the way ...all the time!
He's the ONLY one I have ever donated or worked for and I can't imagine working for ANYONE else...it just isn't in me! (I take that back...I have donated to others...but only at Clark's request.) Maybe I might donate to someone else someday but I can't imagine I'd work for anyone else. Clark has my heart and soul!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:05 PM
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50. I have donated to other candidates, certainly.
But I've never had the urge to work my a$$ off - day and night for a candidate like I did for Clark. I live in a pretty center-right community with quite a few Bush-bots, but when I began to talk to those Bush-bots about Clark, to my amazement, they were already warming up to him (due to his Fox News appearances).

He could really pull a historic number of independent voters. That, along with Democrats would give him the election. I listened to him speak at a fundraiser in Chicago once and I thought, "This is it. He's got "IT", plus intelligence, diplomatic and public speaking skills."

Only Gore announcing would get me to change my mind.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:17 PM
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26. I HOPE your right about Wes!
Come on "golden source" give some REAL gold!

That being the day that Wes Clark announces his intent to be President.

Clark is my 2nd favorite, only second to another man I hope/pray/chant will jump into the frey....come on down AL!

GORE/CLARK 08!
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kimsterdemster Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:21 PM
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27. I love Wes...
My #1 choice for President is Al Gore, but Wes is my 2nd choice. They both were against the war in Iraq from the get go, Gore/Clark would be nice but we need a women V.P. Gore/Boxer.


>

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:26 PM
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29. I Agree 100%
Lots of us Clarkies LOVE Gore! Count me among them!:)

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:31 AM
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79. I agree! Gore and Clark are great!!!
Excellent!

Now, if The General only owned the domain

www.hotmilitarystud.com :evilgrin:

Well, heck, Al was in the military in Vietnam, he could use that domain too, if Jeffy Boy has let it out of his sorry mitts. :evilgrin:




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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:29 PM
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31. Gen. Clark is a must on any Dem ticket. (n/t)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:31 PM
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32. I like Clark.
alot. Hope this "golden source" is on the money.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:47 PM
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33. I guess Bob Dole will be coming out of his coffin soon...
he hates Wesley Clark, when he knew he was running last time he hit every talk show and was angry as hell. Go Wes go! Go Wes go!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:25 PM
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47. Right! Now what was that sleazy comment he made?
Something derogatory about him as a General that required a rebuttal... directly in his butt! But I forgot the details. I hope someone with a better memory will remind us...hint, hint!
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:46 AM
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108. I happen to know why.
When the General was an Independent he was being wooed by both parties,

Wes chose to be a Democrat and Dole has never gotten over it.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:51 PM
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34. President Clark is what we all deserve!
A great mind, a big heart and a truth telling Liberal with Courage!:patriot:

:woohoo: I will wait until he is ready to announce! :woohoo:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:54 PM
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35. YAY!
Please let it be true!! :kick::bounce::kick:
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:56 PM
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37. I like many Dems, but Clark has been at the top of my list!
:kick:

DemEx
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:57 PM
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40. I am sure it was the $20.08 I donated that convinced him
Yeah, right, but I am glad that he is running,

:-)

Did anyone see Teddy Kennedy on Meet the Press, after giving glowing compliments to
bill and hillary, he said he would endorse Kerry for president, I thought that was
very telling.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:42 PM
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58. Telling Indeed
I saw that too.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 06:38 AM
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86. Sometimes what they don't say is as important as what they say
I like Ted Kennedy, I think that he tries his best to serve the American people.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:00 PM
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41. Oh, thank god! (Assuming there is a god.)
Wesley Clark is my choice in 2008. He CAN win and he is a good man ~~ not just a politician.

Made my day to learn this news!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:00 PM
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42. Very good.
As a former draft Clark advocate and later volunteer before the withdrawal, I support him coming into the field. As far as who gets my support in the primary this time, my mind hasn't been made up yet but he is one of the good ones.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:01 PM
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43. I HOPE HE DOES!
When's he going to announce?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:06 PM
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44. YES!!! If Gore won't and Kerry won't, then Clark is the
reasonable candidate! Kucinich probably can't win. I think I've decided against Clinton, Obama and maybe Edwards, so this is wonderful news. I think Clark can win.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:23 PM
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46. Good to see so many in the "Wes Wing."
Count me in....just like in 2004. Clark is top-notch, A-1.
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kimsterdemster Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:16 AM
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82. The Wes Wing...
Love it, this needs to be repeated, over and over and over and over....... If we can't have Al Gore, this is the man, (I dream for the day I could say women), that can pull it off, he was anti Iraq war from the start, 4-star general, first in his class at West Point, Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO and he won the primary here in the red state OK.

I wish it wasn't an issue, (LIKE DK), but the man is HOT!





We need Wes, he'll fight for us!!!

:kick: :applause: :patriot:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:27 PM
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48. Yessiree bob!
I'm glad he's waiting, he'd be lost in the Clinton storm right now.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:36 PM
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49. I love the sound of General Clark in the morning, it sounds like victory!
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:22 PM
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52. Yup, voted for Clark in the primaries when I knew in Okla.
Howard, Dean that is, ha, didn't stand a chance here. Clark was popular, that tells us he could carry some red States.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:20 PM
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51. President, General Clark!!!!!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :woohoo: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:24 PM
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53. and here is your dark horse nt
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:26 PM
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54. Clark/Gore would be the strongest, and best, possible ticket.
Clark appeals to a much broader spectrum than his actual positions would suggest. On the spectrum, very close to Gore, or even more out there on some issues. Gore got labeled as a policy wonk of uncertain convictions due to the mishandling of his campaign by DLCers who tried to keep him on their centrist and ambiguous non-message, but since them has shown himself as a man of conviction on global warming and energy independence, a subject that more and more understand as the OILigargachy's lies get exposed.

And Clark's one characteristic that is both a strength and a weakness is that he is not a Washington player. The criticism that he lacked those insider skills to get things done would be obviated with Gore at his side, and it would also turn Gore's "weakness" as an beltway player into a strength.

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:55 PM
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59. Agreed, but I doubt if Gore would want to be VP again after he REALLY won
the Presidency in 2000...plus we NEED him out there trying to be non-political as possible and heading up steam for global warming...which seems to really be his passion now. How about Clark/Richardson? :shrug:
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:04 PM
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60. Richardson is, it seems to me, too much of a DLC non-entity to
mean much as a VP. Gore would seem ideal if he would do it, but if not, he will still be an important political factor. And since Global Warming is something at the top of Clark's message for "securing the future," Gore's advocacy for change would be a plus for Clark. But I don't, at this point, see a VP other than Gore that would be a very strong addition to his campaign. Maybe someone can make some other suggestions, but Gore seems perfect, and the alternatives don't seem to have much impact.
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generaldemocrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:32 PM
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55. Yessssssssss!!!!
:bounce:

:headbang:

:applause:
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MasterDarkNinja Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:34 PM
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56. AWESOME! General Clerk for president!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:36 PM
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57. Cool. I Like Him. What Are His Polling Type Percentages Though, Or What Chance Does He Have?
Can he be a serious contender?
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:11 PM
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61. Nice to agree on something, but today is the first day I've seen him mentioned on
the Corpulent News (CNN or MSNBC, I forget) as even a possible candidate. I haven't seen his name mentioned in polls either. My hunch/hope is that as the other Dems get lukewarm responses from the population as a whole, his standing as a outsider will work to his favor.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:16 PM
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62. They're Trying The Blackout Thing Again, Just Like After Wes Won Oklahoma
I really think it'll be a whole new ballgame once he declares. Go Wes Go!:patriot:
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:53 PM
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63. I agree. Corp Media doesn't see him as one of theirs.
They can put Kucinich and Sharpton on and portray them as "never-gonna-happen" outliers. but Clark isn't easily painted as an oddball. So they don't even say his name.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:22 AM
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67. More importantly, they can't control him. Clark will not pander to the mediawhores.
I think that's part of the reason why they don't like him (and consequently, will not cover him).

If we could get a Democratic candidate who could carry conservative states like Oklahoma, Tennessee and Arkansas (which I think he can) a national election would really be broken wide open in favor of the Democrats.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:33 AM
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71. Right now I think every trick in the book will be tried
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 12:35 AM by Tom Rinaldo
to discourage Clark from running. The standard front line of defense used against Clark is ignore him and maybe he'll have to go away. I've seen it taken a step beyond that with the national political hotline reporting not that long ago that Clark had actually decided not to run. They didn't back that with anything of course, but it got picked up by some blogs. Of course one or two days later Clark did some radio show interviews and indicated that he was very much still a potential candidate.

No they can't paint Clark as an oddball unless they are also willing to paint the Unites States military as an odd ball organization, and unless they are willing to paint the Democratic Congressional leadership as oddballs also. Both Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid consult regularly with Wes Clark for example. What they either fail to take into consideration, or what they do know but are unwilling to talk about, is that every year it becomes more difficult to deep six a candidate with genuine popular appeal. Use of the internet as an informaton exchange medium is growing at a geometric rate. YouTube didn't even exist for the 2004 Presidential election cycle. It didn't launch until February 2005.

According to a July 2006 USA Today story:

"In June, 2.5 billion videos were watched on YouTube, which is based in San Mateo, California and has just over 30 employees. More than 65,000 videos are now uploaded daily to YouTube, up from around 50,000 in May, the company said.

YouTube boasts nearly 20 million unique users per month, according to Nielsen//NetRatings, another Internet audience measurement firm."
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-16-youtube-views_x.htm?

Neilson reported on July 21, 2006, that YouTube web traffic grew 75% during the week ending on July 16th.
http://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_060721_2.pdf

And that was six months ago! When Clark speaks he actually has meaningful things to say, and he never ducks tough questions, and he doesn't mince words. And virtually every time he speaks now Clark gets videotaped. Those videos will come fast and furious once he hits the campaign trail, and they will be seen, and seen often.



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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:19 PM
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102. Yeah, They'll Try. I Just Got Through 2X On l.king, Mentioned Wes & Was Cut Off
cnn - assholes!:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:07 AM
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65. Horrors! His name was suggested twice on C_SPAN today as a
possible candidate to toss his name in the ring. What next? :shrug:
Oh I forgot...C-SPAN isn't the corporate media.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:57 PM
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64. we have one i want. still waiting for kerry, but if not kerry, i will be thrilled
to campaign for clark. relieved his hat is in the ring
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:14 AM
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66. He will run and he will lose
badly.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:23 AM
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68. Why do you feel this way? n/t
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #66
69. Are you channeling Syvia Brown or some other bogus psychic?
Or just talking trash?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:35 AM
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72. At least you're consistent Bleachers. I like that in a detractor. n/t
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:50 AM
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81. From what I remember, Bleachers was supportive of Clark's candidacy.
I wouldn't necessarily call him a "detractor." You have to admit, with the current crop of candidates who have announced, he's definitely the underdog. Add to that the experience of the media blackout of Clark's campaign after he'd won the state of Oklahoma and I can understand why some might be discouraged.

That just means we have to work THAT MUCH HARDER if we want to see Clark on the Dem ticket.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:42 AM
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85. Exactly! Day after day the media attempts to wear us down and
wear us out....and they ain't through trying.

Just remember the tactic during election 2000....during those dark, dark days in November and December....how we kept thinking we were gonna hear support for Gore from the media, and day after day, we only heard the bullshit like "the votes have been counted over and over and over again!"....and we'd be like...:wtf: !

Well, let's let them know that soldiers don't just fucking fade away unless WE say so! :headbang:

Corporate News assholes! :mad:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:45 AM
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87. I tried to pick my word carefully, honest.
I didn't call him an opponent, and I certainly didn't call him a basher. But neither of us are exactly discouraged. I still am hopeful, while he doesn't support Clark for President now. I also believe that he moved on to Dean after starting out as a Clark supporter last time.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:29 AM
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70. I'm loyal to Clark and Kucinich. The best of the bunch.
I like Gore too, but I just don't know if he can inspire people.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:39 AM
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73. Fantastic
:woohoo:
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:49 AM
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74. There is plenty of time to announce yet.
Here is to hoping he does it soon though. heh

I cannot wait.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:15 AM
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75. And so, we roll up our sleeves and start to working real soon!
Great, great news!

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:42 AM
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76. Holy Cow - Elbow Room Only
Just need Gore and Dean to get back in now and we have a smorgasbord. Is there such a thing as too many choices?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:37 AM
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84. Yep...I agree. Someone needs to tell some of those senators who
comprise over 65% of the Democratic field and 60% of the GOP to get their asses back to doing the work they constituencies elected them to do.

It's not like the Dems have very long to change what is needed to be changed before the next election rolls around....stuff like voting machine issues and such! :shrug:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:43 PM
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95. yup. The Senate Shouldn't Be Thought Of As A "Springboard" To Anything
It's too important to be a senator. The Senate isn't "training camp." Little things like legislation and federal judges who get lifetime appointments ya know. . . . . . these things are more important.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:01 AM
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77. Excellent
Hoorah.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:45 AM
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80. Clark was the anti-Dean in '04
and now he's the anti-Hillary.

I like the symmetry of the thing.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:15 PM
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99. Clark is very close to the Clintons.
I find it hard to believe that he could run as the anti-Hillary, but it's possible I suppose.

Maybe Clark would put Hillary on the ticket in the VP spot, which would help ensure the Clintons have some influence.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 06:57 PM
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100. He won't run as the "anti" anybody,,,
But he will not hesitate to respectfully disagree with Hillary Clinton on policy. He already did, before the IWR vote. He will be civil but will oppose her.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:14 PM
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101. I can agree with that.
But what about the money?

Wasn't a lot of Clark's money from Clinton fundraising sources.

And the endorsements, too?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:36 PM
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103. Clark had the second smallest average donation, next to Dean
And he raised more money in January 2004 than any other candidate. Taken together that means that an awful lot of small donors wrote Clark small and moderate sized checks. He tapped into support from a lot of people last time, and this time he is better known as a solid Democrat to more Democrats. Clark was a fairly good campaigner last time, which helped explain how he won such grassroots support, but he is much better now. I expect he will run an electrifying campaign, because he can turn a good phrase but he doesn't mince words. He is an ideal straight talking netroots type candidate.

You know Clark's former chief of staff Eric Massa just raised over 1.5 million dollors without DCCC support running for Congress in a mostly rural area of Upstate New York after refusing to accept any corporate PAC money. Wes Clark has a national base to draw support from, and not all of his big funders were strong Clinton people anyway, you know the current director of Clark's PAC was a Gore person. Clark has enough grassroots support and donor backing to launch a solid campaign. Initially we will get the word out about him and what he is doing and what he is saying. After that there is nothing like the scent of a possible winner to open up the taps of aditional funding, once Clark starts rising in the polls.

As to endorsements, there are a lot of Democrats who have to run for seats in this country from conservative leaning districts. Although I know that Wes Clark is a solid Liberal, he is not received that way by voters in moderate and conservative districts. They may think of Liberals as flakes, but they know that Wes Clark is career military so he's no flake, so that must mean he can't really be Liberal. The point is that Clark was invited to campaign in a great many districts over the Summer where very few if any other National Democrats were invited to help. I believe Tester in Montana only asked Wes Clark, at the national level, in to Montana to campaign with him. There are a lot of Democrats who get elected from States that are not dependably blue who have serious concerns about having to run again with Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket. They have no such qualms running under General Clark however.

And don't be surprised if people like Jim Webb endorse Wes Clark. Clark was perhaps his earliest supporter back when Webb was facing a Democratic Primary.

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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:53 AM
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109. Wes as the anti-Hillary
(From a poster at HuffPost)

- Clark was against the war from Day 1. Hillary was and has been gung ho for it.

- Clark has enormous red state appeal. Hillary has less red state appeal than Jane Fonda.

- Clark has unquestionable credibility on national security. Hillary has quite close to none.

- Clark has major experience on the international diplomatic stage. Hillary has next to none.

- Clark is fluent in four languages. Hillary in one.

- Clark is a bona fide expert on environnmental matters. Hillary is a dilettante at best.

- Clark has a patriot narrative to outshine either McCain's or Giuliani's. Hillary has those pasty, nerdy photos of herself in the late '60s.

- Clark has won a war. Hillary was an errand girl for Bush's Iraq War.

- Clark is a bedrock Progressive on domestic policy. Hillary is a milquetoast DLC centrist who caves in to the GOP.

- Clark would actually beat McCain or Giuliani. Hillary wouldn't just lose, she would lose in a monumental landslide.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:36 AM
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83. I like. K&R(nt)
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:26 AM
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88. Help me fill in the blanks
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:31 AM by MilesColtrane
President Clark
Vice President Edwards
Secretary of State Al Gore
Secretary of Defense John Murtha
Attorney General Barack Obama
Secretary of the Interior ________
Secretary of Agriculture _______
Secretary of Commerce ________
Secretary of Labor Robert Reich
Secretary of Health and Human Services Dr. Howard Dean
Secretary of Housing and Human Development Jimmy Carter
Secretary of Transportation _______
Secretary of Energy ______
Secretary of Education _______
Secretary of Veterans Affairs _______
Secretary of Homeland Security Richard Clarke

Al Gore would be good anywhere State, Interior, Energy...
I'm trying to be mindful of taking too many Senators or Reps out of Congress.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:29 AM
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89. goclark says Go Clark! nt
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:40 PM
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90. Finally! Someone I both like and respect!
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:30 PM
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91. WOOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Best news I've heard since the start of the year!

Go Clark!
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:33 PM
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92. KERRY/CLARK 2008
That would be a decisive victory in 2008
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:34 PM
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93. Wonderful. He needs to announce soon, so he can take
advantage of all the publicity. Also, since his lateness last time cost big time (foregoing Iowa).

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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:40 PM
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94. Go, Wes!! If Gore does not run, he is # 1 in my view
Experience, brains, integrity. Wes Clark.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:45 PM
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96. he needs to avoid his mistake of '04 of waiting too long, and he shouldn't
write off Iowa again.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:06 PM
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98. Believe me, he knows passing on Iowa was a mistake
even if time was limited, he knows and says that he should not have taken the political advice he was given to skip Iowa and concentrate on New Hampshire. That is one of many changes you will see when Clark runs again. He will be in Iowa, and he will not depend on "handlers" to steer him through the process. He's seen it first hand for himself now, and Clark is a very quick study. I predict many Democrats will find themselves very positively surprised by the Clark campaign that is coming.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:22 AM
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104. In my view, the "handlers" killed Gore's campaign.
He should have won by a landslide, but he got persuaded by the "pros" to say nothing that would take him too far from what the pollsters said was the least controversial phrasing of his position. They turned him into a nebbish, and a coward when it came to controversial subjects, instead of a leader. The "pros" use the strategy of trying to put words into "their" candidates' mouths that "sound good" to those considered potential voters but do not offend anyone other than maybe the hard core supporters of opposition candidate. It works, but only when both play that same game. It is why "politician" is a dirty word.

A leader will help "we the people" better understand our world and our choices, and not simply parrot what handlers observe to be the most popular beliefs and phrasings. Clark impresses me because he shows that ability to see things as they are, has the courage to tell the truth, and offers hope that the changes that MUST take place if we are to survive can be accomplished.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:53 PM
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97. Glad to hear it.
:hi:
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WesClark08 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:25 AM
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105. I joined when
I heard Mr. Clark might be running.

Go Wes!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:28 AM
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106. And thats who I will be voting for n/t
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 03:45 AM
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110. He won't be able to compete with Hillary's $$$.
He'll have to go the Dean route and run a serious grassroots campaign.

I'm ready to report for duty!!!

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:39 AM
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111. Wesley Clark is the most outside the beltway player in that field
At the present time this sounds like a good thing (at least to me). If he can be charismatic as the outsider (like Dean played up to last cycle)then I would think he has a good chance. Pondering his resume he must be also an over-achiever which he will need.

If i was a corporate media whore this guy would get as little of attention as possible from me also.
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imperial jedi Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 07:24 AM
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112. Yea!!
Go Clark go.:applause::applause: We need you in the Whitehouse!
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:05 PM
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113. Wesley Is Da Man!
He is the best choice out there far and away

Do I think he can win?

It's a tough road to the white house right now for anyone, but if he's throwing his hat in the ring, he's got my support ALL THE WAY!

:applause: :patriot:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:53 PM
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114. Now that Howard Dean has taken the air out of the beltway money,
and put power back in the hands of the grassroots, we MAY actually have a fair chance of getting the Wes Wing into the West Wing!!

It's those DLCers (who work with the corporate media) that don't like Wes, 'cause they know he has their number on pushing a corporate governance for the U.S.

:bounce: :applause: :woohoo:

I hope this news is correct.

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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