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kpete
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:03 AM Original message |
OBAMA: "I am a fierce advocate for gay and lesbian americans" |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. Do we believe his words, or his actions? |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. He gives him 2 minutes - |
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el_bryanto
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Yeah but those are actual appointments; symbols speak louder than actions, you know |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Errmmm, okay |
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baby_mouse
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
160. You have a point. I still don't like the symbol... |
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baby_mouse
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
161. Also, sarcasm tag. Helps. |
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stillcool
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Doesn't matter... |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Is that what the homophobes believe, that he is friends with gays |
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stillcool
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. I don't know if homophobes.. |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. you may want to consider the perspective this writer brings to the subject |
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Terran
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
98. That's just dumb |
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stillcool
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Thu Dec-18-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #98 |
173. I'm sorry? I don't have two realities... |
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Terran
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Thu Dec-18-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. You know what I mean |
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stillcool
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Thu Dec-18-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. the 'party' I was referring to.. |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. HE IS, YET AGAIN, GIVEN A VIRULENT HOMOPHOBE A NATIONAL PLATFORM |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. And he is giving openly gay people positions in his cabinet |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. So the MANY groups and individuals who are very angry at this are... what? |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. You have the right to be angry if that is what you want to be. |
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el_bryanto
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
72. THere's a distinction between saying you shouldn't be angry |
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dsc
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
101. Name one |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #101 |
139. not true |
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dsc
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #139 |
158. I don't think that is a cabinet position |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. Then please write the author of the article and complain. |
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dsc
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. I am glad he appointed people to his transition team |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. If you read the article I linked you to, you will see that even Actenburg |
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dsc
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. When Clinton appointed Actenburg she did need Senate approval |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #165 |
179. and maybe, like Jarrett |
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DonEBrook
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
146. So if I help a few old ladies and then only beat one to death with a hammer |
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ikojo
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
49. Rick Warren will get A LOT of TV |
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gcomeau
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
52. A "National Platform"? Are you KIDDING us? |
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DonEBrook
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
149. Well you're a special kind of apologist. Aren't your next words supposed to be |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
79. Gee, I remember this other preacher spoke on Obama's behalf, |
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ikojo
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
42. OK, let's hypothesize....a white president selects a minister |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. God, you sound just like the freepers when they bitch about |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
108. Actually... |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. How many gays have you appointed to a cabinet post? |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Which GLBT people are in Obama's cabinet? |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Nancy Sutley for one. |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. What Cabinet positin does Ms Sutley hold? |
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anigbrowl
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #128 |
156. Here... |
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DonEBrook
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
147. Yes but that's not (currently) a subject for cancellation. He's welcome to keep the tradition |
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semillama
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Fri Dec-19-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
190. Well, yes, we are. |
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jefferson_dem
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. It's a freaking invocation...comprised of a few words. |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
37. A few words spoken at the most important media event of most of our lifetimes |
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jefferson_dem
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Both. |
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GrizzlyMan
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
135. I'll answer this |
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jefferson_dem
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Whoa! Thanks for injecting a bit of reason to this conversation. |
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cali
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
43. yeah, never mind his long history of sponsoring and voting for GLBT |
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Bjorn Against
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Never mind his opposition to gay marriage and giving Donnie McClurkin a platform to spew bigotry? |
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TankLV
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
83. BULLCRAP - he's done NO SUCH THING. |
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cali
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
111. oh, yes he has. suck on these FACTS. |
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Bill McBlueState
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:17 PM Original message |
right, |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
107. What history is that? Thanks in advance. NT |
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WillParkinson
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
2. Was there an ending to that? |
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peace frog
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. Responding to |
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cboy4
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. That is ridiculous. You cannot be a fierce advocate and |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Yes you can |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. No. And it is clear that you do not understand nor care to the pain |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. That isn't true at all |
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otohara
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. 2 Minutes In front of Widest Audience |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. He'll be booed, as he should |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #38 |
57. Two minutes is much longer than one thinks. The symbolic value appears to be |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. No, what is lost on you is the person who will close out the show |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
121. Nope-- the benediction red herring does not change the fact that |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #121 |
137. Folks don't watch the invocation. |
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otohara
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #38 |
58. It's Tradition |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. Check out the fellow giving the benediction |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Symbols have value, often more than concrete things |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Oh, so in the other post you are all upset because I don't respect |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Billions may watch the inauguration. 2 minutes from a man who helped |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. And so they watch |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Perspective? It is clear that you have missed that boat. A public supporter of Prop 8 is being |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. It is you that has missed the boat. |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. When Obama honors someone who says Katrina victims are to blame for themselves, |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Who knows, maybe Warren has said that. |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
125. Then you have missed a chance at seeing the pain that this choice |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #125 |
143. Again, don't attribute to me feelings or indifference that are not accurate. |
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cboy4
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. LOL. What does that have to do with his statement that he's |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. So - ignoring orientation and giving gays positions in his cabinet |
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cboy4
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. WOOOSH |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. No, it appears it is over you noggin |
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Thu Dec-18-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
172. Enough of positioning gays in cabinets. |
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spiritual_gunfighter
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Agreed |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
86. So what does giving that same platform to a preacher that supports |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. That's like asking what it means when FOX puts Hannity on with Colmes. |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. But in this situation, Lowery will definitely be the speaker that |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. When Obama gives a KKK member a special honor I'll take it seriously. And even |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. So tell me, how many cabinet posts have you given to a gay? |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. "A gay" is not GLBT people. Bush gave Condi Rice a job - didn't make him an advocate for |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Yeah, I'm sure this guy as Secretary of the Navy will have no impact. |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. More strawmen from you. Hiring a person doesn't make you a "fierce advocate" for |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. The invocation equals policy? |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Read again. "No one said invocation = policy". No one said it, so you're arguing against |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Oh, so you concede that the invocation has nothing to do with policy |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Concede? I never argued that it did. By the way, which cabinet posts are you referring |
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merh
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Nancy Sutley |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Thank you. NT |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #95 |
119. Which GLBT people are in Obama's cabinet? |
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PFunk
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. Actions NOT Words .... |
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Robbien
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. I am a fierce advocate and to prove it I am promoting a gay hater on the national stage |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. except the marriage part. nt. |
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dbackjon
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
11. Really? Did you fiercely campaign against Prop 8? |
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JohnnieGordon
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. He thinks dropping the word "gay" into a speech makes him Harvey Milk reincarnated n/t |
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jefferson_dem
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. "STFU, OBAMA." |
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dbackjon
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
56. Yes - when my rights get trampled. |
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noamnety
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Thu Dec-18-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
185. "STFU OBAMA" - repeating for emphasis. |
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dbackjon
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Fri Dec-19-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Great analogy! |
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closeupready
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
16. Oh give me a fucking break. No you are not. |
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flvegan
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
22. Fierce as a 4 day old kitten. |
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Hong Kong Cavalier
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
26. Then stop giving misogynistic homophobes the stage, Mr. President-Elect |
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BeFree
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. That's right |
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Hong Kong Cavalier
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Of course, that's nowhere near what I said, but you already know that. |
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BeFree
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Ahhh |
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Hong Kong Cavalier
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Not necessarily, But think on this... |
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BeFree
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Eh? |
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Hong Kong Cavalier
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. But he has his own stage. And he has his freedom of speech. |
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BeFree
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Now |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Ohhh, *communication*! When will Obama give a place of honor to a KKK mmber |
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BeFree
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Tell ya what |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. WTF are you talking about? (Other than evading the point?) |
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BeFree
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Huh |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Are there NeoNazis or KKK members being given national historic honors? |
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NorthernSpy
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
144. The Klan is a terrorist group... |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. Depends on what you consider terror. NT |
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NorthernSpy
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #150 |
168. bombs, bullets, blood, body parts... |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. And what would you consider lawful segregationists? You know - the sort who |
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YOY
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
154. Damn skippy. |
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Marrah_G
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
30. No, sorry you are not |
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Neshanic
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
34. Wow, he visited republican land speak. I thought we won? |
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Lex
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
36. FAIL. |
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Mari333
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. LOL |
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ORDagnabbit
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
44. actions always speak louder than words n/t |
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JohnnieGordon
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
45. Saying he's opposed to gay marriage because "God has to be in the mix" was certainly "fierce".. |
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SidDithers
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
50. Prove it...nt |
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jody
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
53. I don't believe Obama because he said he believes same-sex marriage is wrong. He also said he |
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RedCappedBandit
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
54. o rly? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
55. Is he trying for a DUzy? |
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LostinVA
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
62. Nope, never were and probably necer will be -- you don't like the gays |
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Phillycat
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Thu Dec-18-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
171. I actually think he doesn't have anything against them personally. |
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Bluebear
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. LOL |
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Bluenorthwest
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
65. Hot air. |
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WhollyHeretic
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Thu Dec-18-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
66. I don't think that word means what you think it means |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
68. From AmericaBlog |
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LostinVA
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. If you feel very, very, very brave later, post this as an OP |
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MountainLaurel
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Fri Dec-19-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
187. Great post! n/t |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
71. I'll believe it when I see it. Thanks. NT |
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kpete
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
73. more on this: |
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blogslut
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Thu Dec-18-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
181. Thanks for the full context |
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Iggo
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
78. Advocate. |
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TankLV
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. Just meaningless WORDS without any backing. Period. |
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Jennicut
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
91. Obama has lost the gay community |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
94. TYPO!!! That should read "A Farce Advocate for Gay and Lesbian Americans." NT |
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RoadRage
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
100. And he'll prove it.. |
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Bluebear
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. So brilliant politics counts for you. No matter who gets hurt along the way. Nice. |
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RoadRage
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. If the politcs |
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mnhtnbb
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. And this kind of bullshit politics is called change? Change from what? |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. And if he proves it I'll say "Wow! I was wrong". |
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RoadRage
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. Here: |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #117 |
129. Your post said "He'll prove it". That's future tense. |
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RoadRage
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Nope.. |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. So, like I said, if he proves that he WILL be a "fierce advocate" I'll gladly and openly admit |
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RoadRage
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. And, |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Fair enough. Thanks. |
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RoadRage
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. ... |
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JackDragna
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Thu Dec-18-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
109. It doesn't matter if Warren is only getting a short time. |
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Chulanowa
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #109 |
153. So I'm curious |
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Malikshah
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
113. No, you are not. Your actions have shown otherwise. Shame on you. |
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musette_sf
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
124. BULL |
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Nikki Stone1
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
127. Bullshit. |
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Heidi
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
131. HEIDI: "Then walk it like you talk it." (nt) |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
134. Of Course He Is. To Think Otherwise Would Be Monumentally Short Sighted And Flawed. |
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Skittles
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Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
140. LOLOLOLOL |
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DonEBrook
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
145. I call horse shit. |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
148. "I am a fierce advocate for America's children." - GW Bush. |
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mikelgb
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
151. RAWR! Tiger |
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LibraLiz1973
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
152. Actions speak far louder than words. |
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Mari333
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
155. dang! there sure is a lot of homophobia |
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KamaAina
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
157. That depends on what the meaning of the word "fierce" is. |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. Seems like it was supposed to be "Farce". NT |
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RandomKoolzip
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
166. "Fierce?!" Now THAT'S a face-plant-worthy adjective. |
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YOY
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
167. Then show it man. |
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nichomachus
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
169. Then, please outline your support for equal marriage rights. Awaiting your reply. Thanks. |
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Deja Q
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Thu Dec-18-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
176. Words and actions - did he not appoint openly GLBT people to his transition team as well? |
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mondo joe
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Thu Dec-18-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. And Bush appointed Powell and Rice. So that means what? |
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Fri Dec-19-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #176 |
192. No. He didn't. |
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Mike 03
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Thu Dec-18-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
177. I hope he is, but I'm going to defer to GLBT community on this one, and if they |
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Pastiche423
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Thu Dec-18-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
180. As Molly Ivins was wont to say... |
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high density
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Thu Dec-18-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. do? |
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Pastiche423
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Thu Dec-18-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. That ain't doing |
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Dukkha
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Thu Dec-18-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
183. a doormat for the religious right |
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readmoreoften
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Fri Dec-19-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
193. What? Don't homophobic, anti-choice, creationists have a 'place' in the Party? |
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terrya
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Fri Dec-19-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
188. Well, when I was a kid, I was told there was a Santa Claus and a Tooth Fairy. |
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Fri Dec-19-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
189. Then why are you already having to defend your choice of Warren, Mr. President-Elect? n/t |
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Fri Dec-19-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
191. "As well as those who call them pedophiles and subhuman criminals" |
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MadHound
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Fri Dec-19-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
194. Words are cheap, and actions speak much louder than words |
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