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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:13 PM
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Here comes the revolution

http://www.keloland.com/custompages/kelolandblogs/northernvalleybeacon/index.cfm?c=2578

Posted by: David Newquist - 12/21/2008 11:46 AM (Politics)


Gerald Celente is a trend forecaster who is credited, largely by himself, for predicting such things as the end of the Soviet Union, the bursting of the dot.com bubble, the boom in the price of gold, the success of Starbucks, and many other booms and busts in human affairs. His latest predictions are that we are headed for a depression that will make the 1930s look like a summer camp outing. He says that this time around, there will be a social upheaval that will result in rioting and revolt. He even predicts that some states will become so incensed with the way the federal government is running things that they will secede from the union.

Celente joins that persistent chorus of voices that keeps predicting dire things for Obama. There is a stream of negative forecasting, especially among the regressives, that insists that Obama and his liberal notions will sunder the ship of state. The nature of the anti-Obama criticism--which is accumulating before he takes office and has a chance to implement his plans--makes clear that for some the first black president is not a cause for celebration. Many out there are smarting at the thought of having a you-know-what in the White House in a capacity other than butler. The real motive behind the derisive contempt expressed for Obama is clearly evident in the nature of the criticism.

However, there is a possibility for revolt that reaches far past the lingering racial resentments. Obama's efforts to civilize political dialogue through the appointment of cabinet members and officials of differing perspectives is being done at a time when corporate fascists are on a particularly damaging rampage. The real cause for potential revolt emerges from the stipulations attached to the loans to the auto companies.

The anti-union stance of the Republicans in the Senate is expressive of a class notion that is rooted deeply in the feudal past. The false information that UAW auto workers were making $73 an hour was circulated to appeal to the class rage of those who hope to identify with the fascist hierarchy. The Senate, and then Pres. Bush in stipulating the terms of the loans, insists that the workers be put on an "equity" basis with autoworkers in the foreign-owned auto factories. In other words, lump the proletariat into one big despised class. This insistence that union members have their wages and benefits stripped from them comes when the managing class in the American business world has put on a demonstration of incompetence and avarice that is the real cause of the depression we are entering. As a condition of granting the loan, the labor force will be required to have their jobs eliminated, their wages cut, and their benefits curtailed.


FULL story at link.

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:17 PM
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1. There was "rioting and revolt" in the 1930s!

Don't understand why everyone thinks they were peaceful times.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:22 PM
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2. Because we are the most history ignorant country on Earth?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:37 PM
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6. Well at least the info is out there IF one wants to look...
Some don't even have that.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:43 PM
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8. Really, just the fact the info is out there means nothing. The info was out
there that Saddam didn't have WMDs too.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:59 PM
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10. By info I mean truth.
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Lifetimedem Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:33 PM
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4. Because no one reads anymore
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:37 PM
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13. you are certainly right about that!
nor do many know how to write anymore. Handwriting will become something of the past I'm thinking in the near future.

Is handwriting even taught in schools any longer?

I'm appalled I will admit.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

WAKE UP!

:kick:


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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:15 PM
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12. Celente has been dead on about some things
but wrong about others. He's about 50-50 on predictions.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:32 PM
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3. that's part of the difference between a movement and a revolution...
the 60's was a movement...but a movement by definition only goes so far- and then it ends...a revolution keeps on coming back around at you.

welcome to the revolution.



(okay...so "under siege" is one of my guilty pleasures- sue me.)
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:35 PM
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5. Emmanuel Todd predicted the fall of the Soviet Union in the 1970s
and wrote a book about the same.

He, however, is not a right-wing apocalyptic ass.

His forecase of a coming depression would have to compete with Krugman's call in his old book, now re-issued, called The Return of Depression Economics.

Outside of the beltway motherfucker class, plenty of people have talked about the problems with a bankrupt govt courtesy of BushCo, so that's not really a unique moment either.

just to note since the guy is being hyped like the second coming. he's just one of many.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:51 PM
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9. On the other hand..

..it wouldn't have taken a genius to predict the fall of the Soviet Union. That place was really messed up.

And I still think that saying we're going to be worse off than those who went through the Great Depression is kind of silly. There's NO WAY it could be that bad. We at least have infrastructure in place now for transportation and communication. It may need fixing, to be sure, but we're not even in the same league potentially as so many people were back then as a nation.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:38 PM
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7. It's
the big three who publish the $73 dollar an hour wage figure. There are those who discredit this without counter information. Layed off employees making 95% of normal pay doesn't sit well with the general public. Unions that won't discuss wage parity with other auto workers in the United States doesn't' play well either. Unions appealing to the new President to give them relief from being forced to give concessions sucks. The Big Three and UAW are losing at every turn on the public opinion poll.

Three million UAW or so employees versus 100 million voters is a losing hand. I make no bones to my opposition to giving any bailouts to any corporations. I want all corporate recipients of bailout money to be required to refund it back to the government immediately.

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:02 PM
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11. Once repugs finish off unions
watch for pressure to lower non-union wages. This is how robber barons work.
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