roll Call vote on troop withdrawal/emerg - Kuncinich - no

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll186.xml

Democrats who voted No:
Barrow
Boren
Kucinich
Taylor
Marshall
Matheson
Lincoln Davis
Waters
Watson
McNulty
Michaud
Woolsey
Lewis (GA)
Lee

Note: Bolded voted no because withdrawal not soon enough - Maybe others here know of more on the list that fall into that category.

[dkofos]

1. Not fast enough for him

and me too

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. right. I wonder what the breakdown on this dem list is - between

those who thought it wasn't fast enough and those who are truly against a timetable.

[helderheid]

10. I'm sure Matheson's vote of No was to vote against any timetable

[liberalnurse]

17. I ditto that!

I want our troops home NOW!. Lets not give them time to backdoor irritate Iran via say the British.

[helderheid]

2. I stand with Kucinich, Waters, Woolsey, and Lee

The passage of this bill was a victory in symbolism only for the Democrats. It will work to the Democrats favor in the MSM but this is no anti-war bring the troops home bill.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. see #3

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. I stand with them also. They wouldn't let Dennis speak this morning either and that

really bothers me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. I thought I heard him -- was it yesterday?

[TahitiNut]

20. He spoke in 1-minute speeches and on opposition (GOP) time.

It's not clear that he was overtly refused time from the majority caucus - but there sure wasn't amity there.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. Obey said something about his office trying to reach Dennis last night at his office, and

said he was told Dennis went home. Dennis said he was working late last night. It had something to do with giving time to 3 Dems that want immediate pull-out.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. what's good is that they made sure there were enough votes to pass it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. Honestly, I don't think its a very good bill. It gives the Shrub options. Not only that,

what bothers me the most, that can bite the Democrats in the ass in 2008 are the earmarks.

This is all moot now. First, I don't think anything like this will pass in the Senate and then Shrub will veto. This is actually going to be interesting because the funding can be cut-off by inaction.

[fooj]

31. The earmarks were leftovers from the Repub Majority.

Katrina aid, etc. IMO, it's a good beginning.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

35. I realize it but it is already being used as a talking point. Wolfie had a big chart showing it

today.

[WilliamPitt]

4. They did so in good conscience.

I'm glad this bill passed, but I also feel as these 'no' voters do: this bill has a few massive loopholes in it (i.e. the troops can stay after the fall of 2008 if they are "training Iraqi poilice" or "killing al Qaeda agents," which is essentially the surface description of what they're doing today) that makes it more of a political broadside than an actual solution.

The Senate now has to deal with an "Iraq withdrawal" bill, at least in name. That's a political victory. But nothing in this bill is going to solve the problem.

These "no" votes were cast in good conscience.

[helderheid]

7. What you said.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. right, but it's a start. it's obvious that the votes aren't there

to do any better, unfortunately. And we need 60 in the senate on this - which is
highly unlikely.

I like what someone said today - that there were 30+ some odd measures on ending
the Vietnam War before it finally happened.

this is finally, a long-awaited first baby step

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

6. Fast Enough Or Not...

You're still not even going to get this past the Senate. And even then, VETO!

So you're just dividing and hurting the party by crying that it's not enough. It's a start, and even at that, has little chance of success.

I have no sympathy for those who voted No, even Kucinich.

[Duer 157099]

9. I stand with Woolsey

Damn I'm lucky to live in an area represented by one of the last surviving legislators with a conscience that functions.

[trashcanistanista]

38. I stand with Woolsey too.

Even though I live in Doolittle's district.:(

[leftchick]

11. I love when democrats vote their conscience

it reminds me of the IWR. Brave folks all. :applause:

Also note all of the breaking news headlines call for "troop withdrawal or combat troop withdrawal" by 2008. That is very misleading, the report makes No mention of how many US support troops will be staying there to guard the US palace, bases and the oil.

[Individualist]

14. I do too,

and also applaud them for their integrity. :applause:

[Frances]

15. The headlines are saying just what Kos predicted yesterday

This vote is excellent PR for the Democrats. This good PR will help the Democrats to gain more real power, which will help to limit Bush's power not just in Iraq but also on domestic issues such as tax cuts for the super rich.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. Oh great excellent PR!

Meanwhile 400 Iraqis a day are getting killed and we are losing our own soldiers at a rate of 60 or so a month. But yes it makes for excellent headlines. I am so relieved.

[leftchick]

19. thank you

Politics seems to be all that matters. I am appalled. :puke:

[Frances]

21. This bill gives more hope to end the war than no bill.

Just look at the headlines. The fact that the House of Representatives have set a deadline makes it more likely that the war will eventually end. If you had lived through Korea and Vietnam the way I have, you would know you have to work step by step to end a war. I did not want the war to start, but I know that realistically, wars started by countries as powerful as the U.S. don't end overnight. I wish they did, but that's not life.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. No it does not. It offers no hope at all.

In fact it funds the war. It enables the war. It puts meaningless unenforceable non-restriction restrictions on a president who will ignore them anyway, and is only, as you started out noting, a public relations stunt.

[Frances]

23. Well, I like being an optimistic realist and I plan to enjoy

seeing Bush squirm because I know he sees this vote as a loss! And I'm sure that many, many military families will think that this bill is better than nothing.

[leftchick]

30. being a realist you would realize

this gives bush every fucking thing he wants and then some. Better than nothing? This is better than he asked for by BILLIONS! Perhaps realism is different in fantasy world. :puke:

[Frances]

32. I prefer not to use profanity

but I agree that one of us is living in a fantasy world.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. I'm glad to see John Lewis on the list. A great man. Bravo for anti-war votes.

[Nutmegger]

27. Lewis supported the LIARman

But at least he doesn't vote like him.

[Pacifist Patriot]

28. This is why straight yes/no voting records are meaningless to me.

And using them in campaign literature to defame an oppponent is disengenuous. Why someone voted the way they did is, more often than not, more important than how they voted. And that doesn't even begin to touch the amendment affect.

[PATRICK]

29. The net result of a no vote

empowers the peace side for not providing a base for worse sell out compromises should Bush veto. In effect the votes are not there ever again for a Bush blank check budget and future votes will likely become MORE restrictive if anyone has a hope of passing it, simply because the next step after the veto doesn't work is Bush to cheat within the loopholes and signing statement. He just gambled by blowing his best shot to get his hands on the money and maybe he is trapped in having to do just that just like stonewalling the DOJ investigation.

Cheney meanwhile, wheezing from his iron lung somewhere underground like Sharon in a coma, is urging him to be "stronger" than Nixon- that is, more of a stubborn simpleton which actually will accelerate drastically his total collapse. One confrontation they could run the clock out on. Soon they will have cloud upon cloud of them storming in, all fluffed off rather than intelligently opposed. And all of them with the people and the Congress intractably against him.

[mikelgb]

33. Kudos

[Disturbed]

34. "But nothing in this bill is going to solve the problem." Will Pitt

Exactly! It is PR.

[NYC]

36. Kucinich and Waters are two of my favorites.

[MadHound]

37. Kucinich has been one of the few who've been right on this war from the beginning

And continues to be right now. Bravo to him, and many, many thanks for being the conscience of the Congress, though it's more than a shame that so few choose to follow him, and instead play political games while thousands continue to die.

Thanks Dennis, you're work is, as always, greatly appreciated:applause: