"Better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in."

[Peacetrain]

with nod to LBJ for that quote.

But as Democrats, we "sometimes" take our frustrations on how things are moving out on each other.

Sometimes it might seem we are pulling in different directions.

But with the right so entrenched in their own media outlets such as FOX and right wing talk radio, we cannot just let loose on each other, because they have a media outlet we do not have.

The truth is, though the right is down, has lost two elections, they have a huge rung up on us on the ladder.

They have a dedicated media outlet aka 1984 to put out there message 24/7 with no one to contradict their lies.

We do not have that.

If we walked away from each other, because we do not agree with each other 100% we are going to lose everything.

And if the republicans get back into power too quickly, it will make what happened in the last 8 years look like a cake walk.

[HillbillyBob]

1. In short you are correct, at the risk of misquoting

"I don't belong to an organized party, I'm a democrat" I think it was Will Rodgers.
I am sick and tired of Rpukes and think they should just stfr or as my stepmother used to say 'dry up'.

[Peacetrain]

3. That is a good one too!.. and so true..

We always do some fracturing along line of who we support..and can get entrenched..and with the internet, we can fracture deeper now, and find pockets of people who agree with us in every detail, and suddenly feel isolated from the larger group.

Time for the Pumas to come home, the Blue Dogs to stay home, Code Pink, and all groups between.

Of course we all have a different view of which road to take .. but we all want to reach the same destination.

[xchrom]

2. the kind of logic 'centrists' always use to hold people on the left hostage.

you need to start a deep, deep soul searching where that has gotten you since before reagan.

[Peacetrain]

4. It got us Obama... Clinton..

Proud of both of them.

Getting sidetracked and entrenched gave us Bush. Poor Ralph Nadar comes to mind

[xchrom]

5. using ralph shows what a piss poor understanding you have of the 'left'.

go join the forces decrying welfare queens would ya?

[Peacetrain]

6. Hmmmm... So what has you so juiced about me wanting eveyone

in the Democratic Party to be aware of the dangers of the right. Since you talk to me as if we are on different sides of something. Fractured with demands for purity of thought for whatever position you want to take up in the party is a sure fire way to lose the war, arguing tactics.

[Chulanowa]

9. "Purity of thought" has its fair points, however

For some issues, there's really not a plausable middle ground. Acting as if every answer is found between the two extremes of an issue is idiocy, often mislabeled "centrism."

Group A says gays should be second-class citizens. Group B says they should be afforded equal rights. Is the ideal position then "separate but equal"? A centrist would say so (and many of our party's "centrists" say exactly that, on that very issue)

The unfortunate part of our "centrists" is that most of them are on the fucking outside pissing in. How many of them regularly put their saddles on a GOP horse?

[Peacetrain]

7. And by the way, Ralph is not a particular leftist of anything...

I used him as an example of what happens when we get "that" fractured. Ralph Nadar is a consumer advocate.

[populistdriven]

8. And what exactly do they risk in voting for a public health care option?

[old mark]

10. Rec. THANKS!!!!!

We must get together to vote Dems into positions of power - we can bitch about them after they have been elected.

A GOP victory in '10 would be intollerable.

mark

[Hekate]

11. KnR, Peacetrain. LBJ certainly had a colorful turn of phrase, didn't he?

And he was right.

I no longer find Will Rogers' joke funny -- just sad. Democrats have such a difficult time sticking together that it makes the job of RW ideologues awfully easy too much of the time.

Lively debate is all well and good -- often very good, so that all can be heard -- but Ben Franklin had it right on the eve of the Revolutionary War when he said: "We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately." It was life and death then, and in a somewhat different sense it is still life and death.

Unity. Solidarity.

Hekate