Hey, can we get a little change at the airports?

[MadHound]

Ever since 911, the routine of going through security has become more and more intrusive, more and more embarrassing. Fliers have to put up with getting felt up, their luggage spilled out and pawed through, taking off their shoes, forced to toss out the most innocuous of items, pay outrageous amounts for secure water, get scanned by a machine that strips you naked, the list is outrageous.

Now we have a new wrinkle to the airport madness. Now we're going to be asked to balance on the Wii balance board.

"Nervous flyers, beware: a Department of Homeland Security-funded project is investigating whether Wii Fit Balance Boards might be good ways to detect signs of tension or unease in airport security lines.

The next step in the War on Terrorism?

As somewhere over 20 million Wii Fit owners know, the Balance Board can detect your precise balance point, making it a perfect keep-fit tool -- but the Future Attribute Screening Technology project hopes detecting physiological signs -- including rapid shifts in balance -- will help identify passengers who may have hostile intentions."
<http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/fit-to-fly-balance-board-tapped-to-detect-shifty-characters-at-airports/1361483>

Now that we have a supposedly sane, intelligent president in charge of the Transportation Dept. can we put an end to this embarrassing, useless, wasteful crap? Can we put a stop to making air travel an extreme hassle. You would think that after losing the Olympic bid due in part to our draconian travel restrictions, Obama would rethink some of this madness. Instead it looks like he's willing to have this security bureaucracy roll on, making life more and more difficult for travelers. Sorry, but I'll continue to boycott the airlines and not fly except in cases of emergency or going overseas. I would rather drive that subject myself to that sort of madness.

[napi21]

1. As long as they kerep finding people like that guy they just arrested

for wanting to blow things up in NY, you aren't going to see any changes. I know the most successful airport security is in Isreal, but I really don't think you want the US to use their methods.

[MadHound]

2. You mean the ones who were enabled by the FBI?

Frankly, until they can prove that all this hyper security at airports is effective(and given the current track record, they're far from doing so) they need to back off and stop being so invasive. I think that part of the reason airlines are doing so bad is that there are a lot of people like myself who refuse to submit to airport security madness.

[Orrex]

8. On what basis do you "refuse to submit to airport security madness?"

Presumably you intend to fly on aircraft that you don't own, so it seems to me that--in so doing--you explicitly accept the terms for boarding such aircraft.

How do those polite security officials respond when you refuse to accept their madness, by the way?

[MadHound]

22. I simply refuse to fly

I haven't flown on an airline since they put these insane measures in place. Nor will I do so unless it's an emergency or if I'm going overseas(and perhaps not even then, a cruise would be delightful). I've talked with a number of people who are doing the same.

[Orrex]

23. Oh. Well, that's different.

I thought you were one of those people who jumps up and down and makes a fuss right there in the checkpoint, a move that sure to get you a quick visit to the secondary inspection chamber.

But opting not to fly is certainly your prerogative.

[cwydro]

28. Yep, someone pitching a fit about their toothpaste

or snow globe certainly does not smooth their passage through security.:rofl:

[Bluenorthwest]

11. What methods are those

I have not flow in or out of Israel in many years. I do know that they've never lost a passenger plane and we have lost a few. So depending on one's objectives, and what the Isareli's current methods are, I might want the US to use their methods. Methods that work are better than methods that leave bodies all over lower Manhattan, don't you think? Do they waterborad at the gate these days?

[napi21]

14. The security officers at the Israel airport are given almost total discression

on who to let fly and who to reject. If they don't like the look on your face, you don't fly! It's not necessarily profiling as we know it, but I'm sure most Americans would see it that way.

[havocmom]

40. Betting they are also given good training and monitoring

In the US, it seems cheaper is always the determining factor. We don't get the best qualified with 'cheaper' being a big requirement.

[iamjoy]

3. Seems Like a Dumb Idea to Me

So maybe some one can explain it. I always get anxious when I fly because I worry (okay, obsess) bout getting to the gate on time. The ordeal at security doesn't help as it is. My mother-in-law is the same way (we really like to be there two hours before, even for a domestic flight). My Mom is just a nervous flier, as I'm sure many people are. So, I imagine lots of people would be very fidgety for reasons other than intent to harm. Then you have people who may have a physical limitation or poor balance (I would also fall in to this latter category).

So, in these screenings, how are they going to screen out folks who are just naturally high strung and/or uncoordinated from those who intend to do harm? I imagine those who intend to do harm might actually appear calmer than the rest because they have made their peace with what they intend to do (convinced themselves it is the right thing). If it is part of a plot by a terrorist group (foreign or domestic) they may also have a higher level of physical fitness (including balance) and training to appear calm.

[ixion]

5. exactly

Looking for nervous flyers? Geez, take your pick.

Flying these days is stressful, at best.

[a la izquierda]

39. I fly constantly...

and would fail a Wii balance board test, as I have atypical migraines and low blood pressure. The combination of the two make me very unstable at times. I have to carry a letter from my doctor in my glovebox in the off-chance I ever get pulled over late at night and am suspected of driving drunk (which I don't). I'll fail most field sobriety tests that rely on balance as a measure.

[ixion]

4. Indeed. I am inspired to a rant about this every single time I have to fly

and I avoid flying -- using it only as a last resort -- because of the invasive nightmare that our airport system has become.

It's pathtic, in my opinion, and not at all a manifestation of an allegedly free society. From my perspective, it resembles a concentration camp, complete with bogus DHS warning about the current threat level.

Seriously, the only threat I feel is from TSA goons.

[mainer]

6. Will we need doctors' notes for the neurologically impaired?

Or will people with strokes or bad hips or bad knees or MS or CP or holding screaming babies on their hips now not be allowed to fly?

[TicketyBoo]

7. My 82-year-old sister

has Ménière's disease and suffers from an equilibrium problem as a result. She is very unsteady on her feet, uses a walker, and has fallen nine times so far this year.

And they want to put her on a Wii balance board?

Somebody will sue for damages when they fall and break something. Bound to happen.

Maybe somebody needs to rethink this brilliant move.

[KharmaTrain]

9. It'll Happen If Airlines Put The Pressure On...

Remember, this is a government that caters to business first and comfort and the public last.

I've curtailed my traveling by air over the years between the many surcharges and poor customer service by airlines to the regressive hoops and ladders I've encountered with the TSA. On one trip, my wife had her "killer snowglobe" confiscated, another time we were sent through additional screening thanks to a ticket agent who was having a bad day. Overall flying has become a joke and I only will fly as the last resort.

I agree that TSA has become a law unto itself...turning many vacations into nightmares and getting more and more intrusive. And for what? So no one explodes a shoe or belt bomb? I'm convinced a determined terrorist, foreign or domestic, will find the holes in the system and exploit them. I'm more concerned about poorly maintained planes and overworked pilots and air traffic controllers than someone sneaking on the plane with exploding water.

I think many feel the same way I do about air travel and is a major reason air travel continues to be in the doldrums. It's not just the economy, but the fact air travel has become very inconvenient for most travelers. When the airlines realize the public is tired of the poor service and the TSA's repression, they'll put the pressure on the government to ease restrictions.

[jberryhill]

15. Just out of curiosity

I fly about twice a month and it does seem that not knowing the rules causes problems for people who don't fly often.

I'm intrigued by the "killer snowglobe". Was your wife unaware of the restriction on liquids?

On the one hand, you are correct that clever terrorists will find ways around restrictions, but seem not to believe that TATP explosive material could not be concealed in a snowglobe (which would be a good idea since the liquid cannot be examined).

TATP can be dissolved in liquids and remain explosive. It was used by the "shoe bomber" Richard Reid and in the London subway bombing, among other actual and attempted attacks. How do you suggest keeping it (or other chemicals that can be uses to incapacitate) off of airplanes, when it can be readily concealed as something else?

[KharmaTrain]

17. I Fly A Lot Less...

Prior to last year, I was traveling once a month on business and twice a year with family. We constantly were checking the dos and don't list as to what was being restricted. I, personally...as many business travelers, go very light...all I need for where I'm going.

Regarding the snowglobe. This was in 2007...shortly after the liquid rules went in place. We were led to beleive that this meant open liquids...bottled water, shampoo, etc., not a sealed globe in a sealed box with a paid receipt. Now a little common sense would seem to be in order here as we didn't look like "terrorists" (I know, the argument is anyone can be one...and under that guise, it shows how the real terrorists have won) and this was a short domestic flight on a weekend. While there are dangers with liquids...you could apply that to many other items that, again, a determined terrorist will find the hole in the system.

I'm more concerned with someone sitting with a SAM in a parking lot near a major airport. Or someone sneaking a parcel aboard that would pack far firepower than a killer snowglobe and could be finessed onto a plane with far less scrutiny.

Again, common sense should give the benefit of the doubt to a 50 year old woman with clear travel plans and identification. It was not just inconvenient it was embarassing.

[AllieB]

31. They would rather have you pack the Snowglobe of Mass Destruction in your checked luggage.

Considering that they STILL only check or scan less than 10% of checked luggage, the whole TSA checkpoint drama is a joke. I travel at least 4 RT flights per month-the whole charade is to instill fear.

[jberryhill]

53. Ah

Yes, the rules were a lot less clear then.

I've been tempted to freeze bottled water, and then try to get it through as a "solid" just to see what they say, but I doubt that "cute" helps.

The real pain is planning ahead to buy duty free liquor and wine when you have a later connecting flight, since you can't check your luggage through if you want to put it in your checked bag before making the connection.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. In fact, the airlines hate this shit.

The pressure is not coming from them; it's an expense and a disruption. This has always been political; it's Security Theatre, meant to make the public think something is being done about The Terrorists. It's a holdover from the Bush Administration and their color-coded threat levels, and it will not go away now because if it did, people would freak out and claim Obama is in league with Al Qaeda.

[Mari333]

10. anal probes are next

[Orrex]

12. Yeah, but you have to pay extra to get those

That's what I heard, anyway.

[jberryhill]

13. What is your objection to research?

The article says they are investigating whether it would be a useful technique. Standing on a rectangle for a second or two seems a lot less intrusive than other things you mentioned. I'm sure there are active research projects into all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they will be used, but the goal here is to reduce random searches of the type to which you object.

[MadHound]

26. That's what has been said about many things that are now turning up at TSA checkpoints

And I can see this leading to a lot of hassles for a lot of people. Those who are high strung, those who don't like flying, those with various neurological disorders, etc. etc. etc.

Oh, and that "reduce random searches" meme, well now, that hasn't happened yet, even with things like those full body scanners that strip you naked.

[islandmkl]

16. blah, blah, blah....

know the rules. I didn't say LIKE the rules. KNOW the rules.

plan accordingly, time-wise AND logistically, most importantly luggage-wise and carry-on-wise.

the biggest problem with the screening process seems to me to be the idiots on our passenger end causing problems for the bureaucratic security people (idiots or not) through sheer ignorance of the expecatations of current flight security rules and procedures...

the simplicity is fouled by the passengers way before security complicates matters...

[cwydro]

18. I fly frequently and you are right.

If you follow the (yes I agree, asinine rules) it is not a difficult thing to get through security.

Wear easy slip on/off shoes.

Liquids in 3 oz. containers and the containers in a 1 oz. plastic ziploc bag. This includes toothpaste, so make sure you have the little travel size.

Any large liquids can go in your checked bag.

You do not have to buy an expensive water after going through security; simply bring an empty water bottle and then fill it from water fountains after you pass through security.

[Name removed]

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[cwydro]

32. I post that I fly frequently and that causes you to call me a name?

My parents are in their 80's and I fly as often as possible to visit them.

I posted to let people know it does not have to be difficult and you act like that? Nice.

There is not a damn thing I can do about TSA; I will continue to visit my parents rather than pout like a baby because there might be some inconvenience. The security is very tight in all countries now, not just the US.

There are no anal probes involved, much as you might like to fantasize about one.

[AllieB]

35. I travel for work and to visit my elderly parents in FL.

You're not enough of a purist, cwydro. If you still travel, even if it's to earn a living in this crappy job market, you're cooperating with the police state. :sarcasm:

[MadHound]

37. I'm sure that's what employees of Dehomag were saying seventy six years ago

And look what their work did. Go look it up.

[AllieB]

57. Now that's is RIDICULOUS and an insult to ANYONE with relatives who died in the Holocaust

:eyes:

[cwydro]

43. I guess you are right.

Certainly that is what I am learning on DU today.

Perhaps I should email my mom and tell her I cannot no longer visit her, since that will put me in the position of cooperating with the police state. I can only imagine her response...having grown up during WWII.

[AllieB]

54. i call these folks the DU Purity Police

They don't live in the real world, and love to pass judgement on those who do. That includes the freepertarians (vegans/veggies) who want to control what's on your fork and lefty paranoics who see oppression around every corner. I'm too busy just trying to survive to pay much attention to the hysterics on DU.

[Name removed]

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[cwydro]

41. I didn't scold anyone.

I pointed out how to get through an asinine system.

You don't have to change your wardrobe. I was pointing out ways to make it easier. Wear lace up boots if you want and spend all day in line.

If you have decided to take umbrage at this, then just ignore my posts.

Those of us who travel all the time have learned a few tricks and I thought it might be helpful to share them. I helped an elderly lady last week to get though with a minimum of fuss.

I cannot drive 18 hours on my days off to visit my parents (and that would be just the one way).

Does it make you feel good to call me a Nazi, since that is what you are actually saying? I also think your using the term "gut German" might be offensive to the German members of DU we have here.

I have to admit I find you obsession with the non-existent anal probe amusing as hell.

[MadHound]

42. First off, I am German

Born in a small burg here in the Midwest that was nothing but German immigrants. Grew up speaking both languages naturally. Still do. So don't pull that "offensive" schtick on me.

Second, yes you were scolding, and you continue to do so "Wear lace up boots if you want and spend all day in line." Yes, it is scolding, as much as you try and disguise it.

Third, you can't save up your days off and drive there? OooooK.

Fourth, I notice that you're not answering a serious question, just trying to shuffle it off by making fun of it. I think that says all I need to know.

[cwydro]

46. It is offensive.

I did not say anything about lace up boots until you began with your snark.

Apparently you woke up in a particularly nasty mood today. Perhaps you should try traveling for a nice change.

Let me see if I get this straight. "Save up" my days off and drive 900 miles EACH WAY in my ancient vehicle? So that way I can visit my parents maybe what, once or twice a year? Right now I visit just about once a month. Sure, that makes sense. Lol.

What does "ooook" mean? Is that German? :rofl:

What serious question are you asking, lol? Do you consider the anal probe question a serious question??? What utter nonsense.

Yes, obviously you do think you know all you need to know. Do you really really feel others should do exactly what you think everyone should do? Sounds like YOU are the good German, in that case.

What about people who travel on business? How about the airline employees? I guess you are all for these people being out of work, is that right?

But no worries, because the airlines are going to be here whether you like it or not. Besides they HATE the government restrictions. Do a little research sometime.

[AllieB]

33. Some of us have to travel for our jobs.

I don't like it, but I have to earn a living. I think the whole liquid limitation is ridiculous, because it doesn't stop someone from packing a hazardous liquid in their checked luggage.

[cwydro]

44. Yeah, earlier this year there was talk of relaxing that

but so far no dice.

[MadHound]

27. Be a gut German, accept and embrace those rules

Yeah, yeah, and learn to love the new police state:eyes:

[SmileyRose]

49. Oh come on

Unless you live completely off the grid you are no different. If you have to drive a car to work then you more or less follow the rules of the road created by your government just like everyone else. Choosing to cooperate with stop signs, speed limits, school zones, drivers license, car registration and insurance requirements doesn't mean you "love" the "new" police state any more than someone who flies to work choosing to cooperate with the rules of the airport.

Just stop it.

[ixion]

45. I know the rules, too... that doesn't make them right, or tolerable

they weren't always the rules, hence the rules can (and should) be changed.

[jacko_be]

19. change it please so people who want to visist the usa

can visit the usa, without fingerprinting en stuff ...

[seabeyond]

20. i stopped flying. i am done. use to fly a lot. not gonna give my money to lose all rights

be in an environment where i am suppose to be intimidated.

there is nothing important enough for me to do that i cant drive to.

the only way i can protest

[WolverineDG]

21. Never mind the fact that people are already pissed off at the "security measures"

let's really piss them off.... :eyes:

Most people are already tense and feeling uneasy by being at the airport, whether because they are afraid of flying or because of all the crap you have to go through just to get on the damn plane. So, yeah, this would be an EXCELLENT way to find terrists. :sarcasm:

dg

[kentuck]

24. A little "freedom" might help our economy also?

We have lost so much. The American people have become isolated in their own homes. We need to get rid of Homeland Security and take back our freedoms.

[Stevenmarc]

25. I'm tired of this shit... Hey Homeland Security just have your Wii talk to my Wii and dont bother me

[marlakay]

29. This made me laugh

i mean i am nervous when i fly because i fear turbulance when it gets bad and scares the crap out of me. So what are they going to freak people out because we are stressed to fly? They made us stressed by scaring us and adding all the other stuf.

[jayfish]

38. I'm Flying This Week and Dreading The Thought Of It.

I used to love to fly too. It's been turned into an exercise in PITAism.

Jay

[SmileyRose]

47. The TSA is actually trending less intrusive IMHO for domestic travel

Up until my husband got sick last year I flew at least once a month to major cities scattered all over the US for my job. IMHO TSA agents are finally getting the hang of who to wave through and who to spend an extra 10 seconds with. Especially after the shoe bomber I had an AWFUL time getting through. I have a below the knee prosthetic on the left side since childhood. I walk with only a slight limp but needless to say, that thing would never make it through the metal detectors - and asking me to take the shoe off that thing is really a hassle. Early on, I had to sit down, remove the whole prosthetic and allow them to send it through Xray. In the chaos it was almost lost more than once.

Now they have a little plexiglass booth for me to go stand in for a couple of seconds until the special screener comes to hand wand me and give my prosthetic a feel. I get through just as fast as everyone else.

Having said all that, I would expect international passengers do have more hassle than I do.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. There's an easy way to avoid this.

Just fly around in your own private jets like the people that ensure these policies continue to degrade and humiliate us peons.

[Hepburn]

50. Oh, fucking great....

....I have a genetic condition which causes me balance problems. So now what?

:eyes:

[The Wizard]

51. It's a good reason to not get on a plane unless absolutely

necessary. When enough revenue is lost the airlines will figure out how to get the job done without abusing passengers.

[Matariki]

52. The article forgets to mention that you'll also have to balance a circus ball on your nose

while clapping.

[blondeatlast]

55. The CNN article linked in the link makes much more sense. Nothing imminent, just some proposals made

by a company that could make money if the proposals are implemented.

[Rebubula]

56. OK...

...in the last four months, I have traveled to Chile, Qatar and Brazil in addition to several domestic trips. Yes...I have had some lines but that is all. I was not harassed by TSA - nor did I see anyone getting harassed. Get in line, be polite and aware of instructions and keep a pocket full of patience.

You have to prep your mind for delays and lines. GET TO THE AIRPORT EARLY!!! Allow me to repeat - GET TO THE AIRPORT EARLY! Bring a book or an IPOD.

Flying these days is as crappy as you want to make it.

All that said...flying IS certainly less fun and romantic than it was 20 years ago.


**** Disclaimer - I fly solo and am not restricted by children and people that like to dawdle. Flying with a group can fuck up all of my advice.