Deeds tied, 57% of Virginians oppose Public Option

[sandnsea]

Obama is headed to Virginia next Tuesday to campaign for Creigh Deeds who is neck and neck and has been running behind much of the year.

Results of a health insurance reform poll gives a few clues as to the political problem with the public option. Virginia is where we need to give some support and Change Minds to change the votes.

A closer look at the poll's findings:

57 percent oppose a public-option, government-run insurance program as part of health-care reform, while 30 favor it, and 13 percent are undecided.

48 percent oppose requiring all Americans to have health insurance, while 39 percent believe coverage should be mandatory. Thirteen percent are undecided.

81 percent say health-care reform will lead to higher taxes to cover its estimated 10-year, $1 trillion cost. Seven percent say the initiative will not push up taxes, and 12 percent are not sure.

52 percent believe health-care reform will result in the rationing of health care, while 29 percent think otherwise. Nineteen percent are not sure.
51 percent say health-care reform will force major cuts in Medicare, a federal program that provides health and medical service for seniors. Thirty-one percent say it will not cause reductions in Medicare, and 18 percent don't know.



http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/HEAL13_20091012-223403/299057/

[TheWraith]

1. I bet if you dropped the word "government," the public option skyrockets.

Part of properly communicating a strategy is to avoid certain key words and other mental landmines present in brainwashed parts of the middle.

[sandnsea]

3. I bet if we help make phone calls in Virginia

We can help change that around. Nothing else will.

[Cha]

24. Yes, and maybe President

Obama's going to Virginia will help with that too.

[elleng]

2. Bad poll, imo.

[sandnsea]

4. The election is Nov 3, the poll isn't relevant

What's relevant is we are going to lose Virginia and it looks like health care reform could be the reason why.

[elleng]

5. Hard to believe, tho I'm not there, just next door in MD.

Your conclusion based on what, sand?

[sandnsea]

6. Wow. 81% of people think their taxes will go up

Over 50% believe Medicare will be hurt. The Democratic candidate is tied and a nutball property tax cutter has another 15% of the vote. And you wonder "based on what"??? How can you just ignore all of that?

[elleng]

12. Why do you accuse me of 'ignoring?'

I'm wondering why Virginia appears to be so OFF when they were ON in recent elections.

[sandnsea]

14. Because they're not liberal at heart? n/t

[elleng]

17. Their history suggests they're not liberal 'at heart.'

SO?

[sandnsea]

21. Oh honestly, go talk to Statistical

you're equally useless.

The point is we are losing in Virginia. Are you going to help do something about it - or not. If not - go away.

[elleng]

25. Thanks so much, sand, for your inspiring posts.

:thumbsdown:

[sandnsea]

26. I never claimed to inspire anybody

I always claimed to say what needs saying and kick people in the ass when there is a clear path to take. I've never seen a clearer path than this one in Virginia. We need to help, pronto.

[aquart]

7. 51 percent are watching Fox for news.

[sandnsea]

9. Undoubtedly,

Since Deeds just said today that the Public Option isn't necessary, it would appear this election might be part of the problem and a part of the problem we can help turn around.

[Statistical]

8. Where did you get Deeds is tied from?

[sandnsea]

10. If that's wrong, post the link n /t

[Statistical]

11. WTF? So you just made something up and then want people to post links ot refute it?

How about:

McDonnell pulls away
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/20/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5402698.shtml

McDonnell +7%
http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/09/18/va-gov-poll-mcdonnell-7/

McDonnell +19%
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=83ab7b50-6f0f-4257-9c76-c8d22c795ab6

McDonnell holds double digit lead
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/cnu-poll-mcdonnell-holds-doubledigit-lead-va-gov-race

[sandnsea]

13. Uhm, McDonnell is the Republican

So thanks for posting the links proving my point.

Of course I didn't make it up, I always do my research.

[Statistical]

15. YOUR TITLE SAYS "DEEDS TIED"

When Deeds is NOT Tied.
The article you link to doesn't support your claim of Deeds being tied.
So how did that slip by your "research".

[sandnsea]

16. Oh okay, Deeds Getting Slaughtered, is that better?

What the fuck is wrong with you anyway?

The point is that we've got a problem in Virginia. Are you going to do something to help - or pick nits?

[Statistical]

19. Pick nits? The two things are polar opposites.

It would be like me posting a thread with title "EXXON MOBILES FILES BANKRUPTCY!" and link to a thread showing record profits.

I clicked on the thread because when I read it I thought..... DEEDS WAS TIED. Why would I think that? Hell I don't know maybe because your FRACKING thread said "DEEDS TIED". Crazy of me to think DEEDS WAS TIED when you thread said DEEDS TIED. Turns out Deeds is not tied. I ask you where you got the idea Deeds was tied from and you tell ME to prove he isn't. Ok that is even more bizarre but it wasn't hard (top 20 results on google for "VA Governor race poll" show Deeds down. When I post them you are now mad that I proved your title is a lie.

Honest question: Did you forget to take your meds?

[autorank]

18. Mason Dixon trends conservative

It's hard to trust any polls now.

One that's worse is the new polling from Survey USA that shows McDonnell beating Deeds 59% to 40%.

That's unbelievably bad news. McDonnell is a pure religious right, got caught taking money from
CCC in 2005, and should have lost big time. But Deeds proved to be simiply awful and unable to
take advantage of the very liberal voting over the past years in Northern Virginia.

When McDonnell and Deeds squared off in No.VA for A.G. in 2005, Deeds beat him 60% to 40%, that's
how badly Deeds has run this time.

Ugh!

[sandnsea]

20. If it's a sign of things to come

we better come up with a plan to deal with these swing states. If we don't want anymore centrism, then we've got to be in these states every single day.

[tblue]

22. Isn't there a lot of poverty and unemployment in VA?

I can't believe all but 30% are well covered.

[Statistical]

23. Unemployment in VA is below national average (5th lowest in country) and is declining.

Unemployment peak in VA in July.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.t03.htm

Aug 2008: 4.1%
Jun 2009: 7.1%
Jul 2009: 6.9%
Aug 2009: 6.5%

[sandnsea]

27. It's also where that rural health free clinic was

How does that compute? Have they forgotten or is it not getting the right kind of media?

[elleng]

28. Deeds had been DOWN,

tied now according to this Mason-Dixon poll. This is a Governor race, NOT Senatorial. Watching cautiously.

[sandnsea]

29. "Virginia governor race a snapshot of US attitudes"

I disagree with that, I think it's a snapshot of Virginia's attitudes. But they're the same attitudes folks in Indiana, North Carolina, Florida, and Ohio have and we'll need then in 2012. If we're losing them, we better get busy and start countering Fox News in those states.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_re_us/us_microcosm_of_america

[Zoeisright]

30. Fine. Then they can go bankrupt and die because insurance companies

refuse to pay for their treatment. I don't give a rat's ass about them.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[dsc]

31. If he had been tied your thread would have been awesome news

as Deeds has been, and still is, very far behind. I won't say health care reform is blameless here but it is by far not Deeds biggest problem. Deeds just plain hasn't shored up his base, especially African American voters. Until he does that he is dead.

[DonCoquixote]

32. One thing about VA

The Northern part of the state (near D.C.) is more liberal, as that is where a lot of the newer industry is. This area of the state supplies over eighty percent of the state's tax revenue, but almost none of that goes to that area of the state. So,you have Red State Yahoos living off of transplanted Yankees, and complaining all the way. Well, many in that area want to secede from the state, as did West Virginia. Of course, when people started talking like that, now the Confederates are out in force, how dare those Yankees tell them they should not pay taxes to be called Damyankees? I say this because this can explain why the Yahoos are in force. The fact that Northern Virginia gave their heart of Dixie state to Obama in 2008 is an offense that will be punished, Dixie style.