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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:11 AM
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WTF? - Buchanan: White Americans Are Losing "THEIR" (???) Nation
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 09:24 AM by kpete

WTF???!!!



Traditional Americans are losing their nation
Posted: October 20, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
Pat Buchanan

...............

In their lifetimes, they have seen their Christian faith purged from schools their taxes paid for, and mocked in movies and on TV. They have seen their factories shuttered in the thousands and their jobs outsourced in the millions to Mexico and China. They have seen trillions of tax dollars go for Great Society programs, but have seen no Great Society, only rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and dropout rates.

They watch on cable TV as illegal aliens walk into their country, are rewarded with free educations and health care and take jobs at lower pay than American families can live on – then carry Mexican flags in American cities and demand U.S. citizenship.

They see Wall Street banks bailed out as they sweat their next paycheck, then read that bank profits are soaring, and the big bonuses for the brilliant bankers are back. Neither they nor their kids ever benefited from affirmative action, unlike Barack and Michelle Obama.

They see a government in Washington that cannot balance its books, win our wars or protect our borders. The government shovels out trillions to Fortune 500 corporations and banks to rescue the country from a crisis created by the government and Fortune 500 corporations and banks.

America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.

more:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113463#
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:14 AM
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1. .."and take jobs at lower pay than American families can live on"
Yeah Pat, and it is YOUR base who is hiring them! You are perfectly happy with that part.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:15 AM
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2. All I can say is... Adios white America!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:15 AM
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3. From the world of nuts
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:15 AM
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4. Hey Pat, I hear Stormfront's hiring.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:16 AM
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5. What he doesn't say but implies--"AND, there's an African American family in the White House!!11!"
Go to hell, Pat.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:19 AM
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7. Well, he got in that 'affirmative action' dig. I guess that's his way
of complaining about the first family's race.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:55 AM
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31. Pat
And he forgot to mention that 11% of whites now live in poverty, vs 29% of Hispanics and 24% of Afro-Americans. Yet he still bemoans the lack of perks.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:18 AM
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6. Hey Pat.... get over it already
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 09:19 AM by fascisthunter
you pathetic fear filled bigot... you bore us.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:19 AM
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8. 2042...last time I looked, America is represented by more than just one race..
I hate that MSNBC uses him..
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:19 AM
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9. 'Indigenous American Tribes in fear of losing their nation'
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 09:20 AM by Mari333
wait, never mind. that already happened.
Pat is just one of the many fearful AWM's who lost his illusion of power and control (in his own mind) of his status as a dominator.
Sure, there is fear out there as our jobs are all sent to China , Mexico and India..but to blame people's races? No. Point the fingers at multinational corporations who own the politicians, Pat...blame the right people, quit scapegoating .
The USA is being lost to huge corporate interests..who dont care what colour your skin is, as long as they can bleed you dry.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:22 AM
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12. He's not smart enough to put 2 and 2 together that way and realize this has already happened.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:22 AM
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13. Yeah, at least "traditional" Americans aren't having their homes burned down...
...their land taken away, and then put on reservations.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:19 AM
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10. Pat's an old white guy who will never change. His attitude
pisses me off and I'm an old white lady, not a lot youngr than Pat. I guess he forgot they had the same attitude against Jews, Italians, & Catholics many years ago!
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:33 AM
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25. And the Irish....
Pat fits both Irish and Catholic demographic but it seems he forgets that. His ancestors were certainly discriminated against and could have been booted out just as he wants the "new" ethnicities to be. How many Irish Catholics were 'illegal'?
Damn Mexicans. :sarcasm: MSNBC should can his ass.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:14 AM
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36. Well I'm Irish & Catholic too! I remember my mother saying
when she met my father his family hated her because they were German & didnt want him seeing an Irish girl! An extremely intelligent, very capable man & wonderful guy was a VP at the Co. whre I worked and also a good friend of mine. He told me about graduating from College with a 4.0 and couldn't get a job because he was Italian & Catholic.

This Country has a very bad historical record of discriminating...against who depends on the times.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:20 AM
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11. It was once the Native Americans' country, and they lost it. Bookmarked for later reading.

While this article sounds cuckoo, from the excerpt it looks like it might explain how some of these people think.



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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:23 AM
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14. He's putting into print what teabaggers were afraid to put on their own signs!
"I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!" actually means "I WANT MY WHITE COUNTRY BACK!"
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:40 AM
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41. Plenty of the teabaggers DID put their racism right on their signs
At least they weren't speaking in rightwing hate radio code. Several DUers have posted threads with signs from the teabag rallies. Unbelievably racist signs. Meanwhile, Rush, Sean, Bill-O, and the rest use codespeak like "urban youth" and "inner city". Even Faux started to have second thoughts on sponsoring the rallies and sending out their mouthpieces to act as cheerleaders when other media started publicizing who was there and what their signs read. Plus, the Klan and other white supremacists groups started promoting the rallies on their sites.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:23 AM
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15. Aren't traditional Americans Native Americans? nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:26 AM
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18. No, I believe those are "heathens".
In the "traditional American" dictionary.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:27 AM
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20. That was my thought as well.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:24 AM
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16. We're still 70%, so he'll never see it. What a creep. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:24 AM
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17. And they did it to themselves by voting Republican.
That's the sorry truth.

The deficit, outsourcing, banking catastrophe, the messes in Iraq and Afghanistan...all at their feet.

:nopity:
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:27 AM
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19. purging the Christian faith from schools and government...
Um, all of us non-Christians would rather not pay for your religion with OUR tax dollars.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:34 PM
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54. +1
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:28 AM
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21. Wing Nut Daily?
I'd rather try to read the encrypted messages in the litter box, thanks.

:hi:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:16 AM
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68. It would be more meaningful and make more sense.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:29 AM
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22. what do you mean wtf? How on earth can you be surprised by this
standard crap from the Patty boy canon?
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:30 AM
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23. Disgusting, angry old man
Scared of seeing his blessed, undeserved privilege wash away.

I am so sick of a lot of white people, and I am a white person. I would be happy if we didn't have to have another white, Christian, male President in the foreseeable future. I have a hard time trusting white men in power at this point, usually out for self first, and looking for someone to keep down so that status quo will be continued.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:33 AM
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24. In his subtle way, Pat is asking White Folk to fight the black President and his programs.
According to Pat, America is a white nation. He doesn't want it to go the way of South Africa.

No wonder he loves NAZIs and hates Puerto Ricans.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:36 AM
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27. Subtle?
He all but linked to an Oathkeeper's application.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:00 AM
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33. Nothing at all subtle in that statement. nt
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:35 AM
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26. What did you expect from him? Why he gets air time is beyond me.
He is a racist pig.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:37 AM
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28. Hey Pat - not long ago there were "Irish Need Not Apply" signs in America
America will get over it, like it got over that.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:12 PM
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49. And people carrying Irish flags demanding U.S. citizenship
To this day, Irish flags are all over the place every March 17th.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:42 AM
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29. OMG. It's the Tea Baggers lament. nt
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:47 AM
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30. What's race have to do with this??
Other than the FACT that the REAL power brokers in this country, you know, the ones with the most money and influence, are overwhelmingly white.

But, like the good fascists the power brokers are... rather than accept responsibility, they conveniently point to non-whites as the reason why the country's in the shitter. Nice job, assholes.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:59 AM
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32. Can someone publicly call him a racist YET? Jay B. Uscrist!
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 10:00 AM by blondeatlast
I'd be willing to pay someone to do it. :mad:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:03 AM
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34. America was NEVER the country of the white guys he is talking about
It still belongs to the same few wealthy white guys it always belonged to. They just don't need the poor whites anymore since they can now hire immigrants cheaper (or move all the jobs to East Bumfuckistan where the laborers work for next to nothing.

Whatever use the working class whites ever had to the ruling class has almost disappeared. Their only utility now is keeping the minorities from stirring things up to much. And they are easily manipulated by people like buchanan into doing just that.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:04 AM
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35. Poor Pat. He's grumpy because he can't wear his white hood and robes anymore.
Why didn't scum like him stay in the 19th century?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:19 AM
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37. Hey, pal, speak for yourself!
If you mean we are losing the uptight, whites-only, male-dominated, dogmatically-driven, homophobic, unquestioningly obedient America, then yeah, we are. It's in the hole being shoveled over with dirt. What's that? You notice my dirty shoes and the shovel in my car?
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:19 AM
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38. Affirmative action?
I don't really care, because I'm in favour of affirmative action, but does Pat have any substantiation to back his claim that the Obamas benefitted from affirmative action? Or is he just assuming that ubersuccessful Black couple = affirmative action beneficiaries? Does he really believe that Obama would be less likely to be President if he were white? What the fuck is wrong with him? Has he failed to notice that every other President in the history of the Union has been a white man?

Seriously, nothing annoys me more than privileged old white men talking about how fucking hard they have it.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:33 PM
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67. In an old racist column pat brought up scholarships too
A Brief For Whitey
(that's on real clear politics site. I don't go to pat's place)
Remember that one? It was a response to Obama's race speech.
Didn't sound too impressed since he noted
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since...


Anyway in it he wrote:
Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?


pat, pat, pat, you should know better...if those white Catholic kids are 'deserving' and applied there they can get their scholarships. Only about 7 of 100 applicants get in though Pat, doubt you would,
In 2008 Harvard, Yale, Brown and Columbia all had a free ride for family income of $60,000 or less and some break or sliding scale above that to about 200K income.
pat, the money/scholarship isn't what is holding your oppressed white kids down.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:26 AM
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39. "only rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and dropout rates." 75 percent pure bullshit.
I guess it wouldn't do to point out to Buchanan that crime rates have been falling since 1991?

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html


Or that the percentage of people who have used an illicit drug in the past 30 days was cut in half between 1979 and 2001?

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/index.html


Or that high school drop out rates fell from 14.6 percent in 1972 to 10.7 percent in 2001?

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/tables/1_Table_2.htm


The only one of these indicators in which Pat has a point is illegitimacy, which has risen steadily since 1970. But given that drug use, drop out rates and crime rates are all down among kids, how much of a problem is illegitimacy, really?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:41 AM
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42. "illegitimacy".
What the hell does that mean anymore anyways?

I'm surprised he didn't throw anything in there about women having the audacity to leave their kitchens and enter the work place.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:44 AM
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43. Indeed. "The audacity of soap."
Why, these women aren't at home, scrubbing the linoleum like they should be!


Illegitimacy is less and less a concern as what defines a "family" becomes hazier and hazier.


Now, granted, that's not to say that children don't need a solid support structure. But the idea that such a support structure can only come from a women and a man who are married is simply untrue.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:37 AM
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40. And, yet, Puke Cannon is still the darling of the cable TV
talk show set. What the heck is that about? Every time I see him, I wonder why anyone puts him on the air.

Maybe there's something we can do to influence that...
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:07 AM
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44. The Confederates Lost Their Country A While Ago, Pat /nt
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:57 AM
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45. Buchanan = joke. Worldnetdaily = bigger joke. OUR wars? OUR nation? Fuck off Pat!
Everything in this article is wrong. Everything? Everything! We all know this country was STOLEN by christians who murdered its original inhabitants. We are NOT all christians thankfully. There has never been enough money put into "Great Society programs" but we ALWAYS have enough for POINTLESS STUPID wars. Ugh and then his veiled racist remark about Barack and Michelle and affirmative action... Pat you're a prick and an asshole so seriously, go fuck yourself.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:59 AM
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46. Don't forget to zieg heil Uncle Pat..
:eyes:
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:06 PM
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47. Exactly what is a "traditional" American?
I send my kids to public schools, which should not be instructing for or against any faith. I'm a white female and I'm never mocked in movies (abused in movies, yes, but that's a gender argument). And, I wish there was still a Great Society - the Reaganites buttressed that long before I reached adulthood. The gap between the rich and middle class and poor are causing rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and high dropout rates - not any Great Society program.

America is still my country, but, he's right - I am losing it - to folks like him who own our media and shape far too many peoples' opinions about how to improve ourselves.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:08 PM
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48. Good! It was only in their minds that they owned it.
Now, they realize they never did.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:20 PM
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50. "Traditional Americans" lost their country a long time ago--1400s through 1900s.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:29 PM
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53. Yeah, what's he talking about..."Traditional Americans"??
I guess Traditional is a code word for "white".
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sam kane Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:22 PM
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51. why is this racist allowed on msnbc? nt.
nt.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:27 PM
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52. Pat finally comes out and says what the real motive is behind the hatred
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 12:27 PM by madinmaryland
for Obama.

Give him credit for being honest.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:39 PM
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55. Oh Boo Hoo!
Like Larry Wilmore said on the Daily Show, "No one gives America back, you keep it somebody comes and takes from you." and "The country's getting darker, deal with it."

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-11-2009/reform-madness---white-minority
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:41 PM
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56. Sick of the 50's sitcom mentality of the right....nt
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:28 PM
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57. Pat, STFU
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dakdirty Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:52 PM
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58. fuck Pat Buchanan.
He is a toad.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:57 PM
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59. didn't he defend the '39 invasion of Poland? he's like one of Dwight Schrute's relatives
will the ADL boycott his trip to visit relatives in Argentina?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:08 PM
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60. Well he is right, if you look at demografic trends
that said, every generation loses some to the next... that Pat is the nature of the beast.

Of course he does not mean white...

He means WHITE, CHRISTIAN, OF EUROPEAN ORIGIN, better than the darker races.

This is so full of dog whistles it is not even funny.

By the way Pat... this is the way this is.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:10 PM
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61. Pat Buchanan? A racist?
Why, I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:11 PM
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62. here are some people who can really empathize with you, pat...
they feel your pain.



but you have NO IDEA what their's is like
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:13 PM
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63. It's true that this country is circling the drain. The racial angle is a disgusting red herring.
Designed to send us down, fighting amongst one another.

:puke:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:13 PM
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64. It sounded better in the original German.
To borrow a phrase from Molly.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:16 PM
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65. Traditional Americans? Like these people?
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 11:25 PM by SoCalDem





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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:28 PM
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66. This was my initial reaction, too (nt)
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:52 AM
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69. hey pat, this america you think you and the other white males own--you STOLE it from the first
peoples. you are a festering sore of hate, venom, bigotry, ignorance and fear. please do us all a favour and just go away, quietly.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:01 AM
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70. "What do you mean THEIR nation, white man?" --- Geronimo and Sitting Bull (n/t)
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