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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:21 AM Original message |
If Obama went for Single Payer and failed, |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. I would rather have seen him try to get single payer and if that didn't happen go for a publicoption |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. So you'd rather that he failed and set back the health debate another 20 years like Clinton did? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
49. By digging the insurance companies in deeper by making Romney Care national |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. The only reason, it wasn't done in 20 years was because Clinton walked |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
99. Same false premise, the appeal to consequence. n/t |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. In the world of politics you don't get do overs |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Tell that to the person making $14 an hour who will now be required to come up with $200 a month |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I wish I could change reality, but I can't. All any of us can do |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Why do people making between $10-$15/hr have to always be the ones asked to sacrafice |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Why wasn't I born with Cary Grant looks and a billion dollars? |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. So you are saying pull yourself up by the boot straps you lazy bums? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:11 AM Original message |
You know that's not my argument. If you are going to be that obtuse |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
47. Then how is someone living on $12.50 an hour supposed to pay for the mandate? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You have not demonstrated that the person can not afford to pay for the insurance |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. There is nothing to demonstrate. That person makes about $1,400 a month after taxes |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Let us see the monthly budget break out |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. You got it below, dont ignore it this time around. I want your reply |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Oh dear god. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. That rent can be reduced with a room mate |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. So everyone has the ability to get a roomate? |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Yep. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Absolutely. This is common sense to anyone that ever lived on that kind of income |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. A blind person could see how that person can't afford it. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Where is the monthly budget break out? |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Do you know how much a loaf of bread costs? I'm guessing you don't |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. I notice you do a whole lot of guessing and you are usually wrong |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. You seem totally foreign to the concept of living on $12 /hr. It was a rhetorical question |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. You need a demonstration of what is generally simple math? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Math with out numbers? |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Jesus fucking christ. So out of touch, here I'll do simple math for you |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. You already established a $1400 take home |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. What the hell are you talking about? With the math above they are left with $80 /month |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #86 |
95. You crazy librul!!11!! |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #70 |
91. You have the take home. You know what things cost in your area you can do the math your damn self |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:27 AM Original message |
The point is to drag this out as much as possible to have all this deleted |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Who is Carrie Grant? n/t |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Wrong. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Fair enough. Drop the income down to $12.50 /hr and they will have to pay $168 a month |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
100. You left off "if you try to do for the people". |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. For what it's worth, I agree that he should have begun negotiations with Medicare for All, and... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Easy to say when you won't be hurt by this bill, as millions of single americans will |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. You're right, it would be better to fail and live with no hope of fixing a flawed system... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Like I said, tell that to the people that won't be able to afford this mandate |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Yeah, that's about all you've said. Why don't you tell the parents of the children who... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Why do you keep repeating arguments you know aren't logical. We already had this discussion |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. You must be thinking of someone else. Because that's not my argument. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Nope thats not my logic at all. My logic is lets not piss on people that are already hurting |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. It's never okay to hurt some people, contrary to your logic. But sometimes we need to advance... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. You don't see the problem with what you just said? You want to reread what you just wrote? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Point to where I say I support this bill, Fonzie. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. So do you think this bill should have failed? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Romneycare hurts a lot of people a lot of ways. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. So when you said it's NEVER ok to hurt people you didn' really mean that, you were just talking |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I told you not to put on the water skis, Fonzie... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Keep laughing while people will be forced to come up with money they dont have. Very funny indeed |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. And it doesn't change the fact that you are ok with hurting people to advance yours. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Deleted message |
emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. If you truly can't afford insurance, the govt will help you get insurance |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Absolutely not true. I just posted numbers after subsidies. $14/hr you pay $200 a month |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. Where are these numbers and were are you getting them from? THANKS! n/t |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I posted this in the thread above, sorry should have added it again. here: |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
102. Thank for the link -- I appreciate it! |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. are ou suggesting that if he failed with Single Payer there would have been no bill? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yes. That would have angered Republicans and we wouldn't have... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Exactly |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Would a majority of democrats have voted for single payer? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Can I invite you to my Friday poker game? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Not for another 2 decades based on history |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Why? If singe payer failed he could have moved on to the public option |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. That would be the way a smart negotiator would have done it. |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
53. Ummm... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Some states will do it long before others.The problem right now is the economy. I think |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Congress has a lot on its plate. With something as big as Health Care Reform |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. And by the way, since you're implying that you're such a big advocate of "single payer"... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Because I feel most people reading this are smart enough to see past how you phrase something |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Wow, rather than changing a simple behavior to help what you are supposedly advocating... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. You are the one that seems to think this is some game. I am trying to have an adult conversation |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. It doesn't offend me. But then that was a deliberate frame that you chose, versus saying... |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. By then, the media would have torn Obama and the dems to shreds |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Yeah, good thing everything went so smoothly by doing it this way. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. Self Delete - Posted wrong spot. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. Agreed. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
11. That pretty much sums up the difference between a pragmatist and an idealist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Why not just answer the question? |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
16. Gosh... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
35. If he TRIED and failed, he would get points for taking a strong position |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Exactly...and on all counts |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
45. Yes. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
48. Not if he still has his wars going in Afghanistan and Iraq. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
52. These all or nothing people would still vote for Kucinich. NM |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. This Old Democrat will vote for, work for, and contribute to |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
54. Yes- if he fights for us, I vote for him |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
58. Big Three |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
68. I find it extremely difficult to take anyone seriously who thinks that the |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. "bailouts (which did nothing to fix the underlying problems with the economy)" |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #74 |
93. Dealing with banks is not heart surgery. And here it is a year and a half later |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
73. 'and reversed all the bailouts so that the economy crashed' - whatever. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
87. silly |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
89. You sit on a throne of lies |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
94. If it was all obviously because of Republican and Blue Dog obstructionism... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
98. Congratulations on the most appropriate DU handle ever. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
101. All these false premises and scare tactics, is that all you people have? |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
103. I didn't expect the defensive reactions |
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