Sucks under Repuke rule: banksters own economy, insurance owns health care, corporations own speech

[omega minimo]

VOTE AGAINST THE BASTARDS NEXT TIME !!! :rant: We gotta get some Democrats in charge!


oh wait. ...... :blush: ...... oops. Nevermind. Carry on.

[RandomThoughts]

1. Banksters don't own my economy.

Insurance does not own my health.
And Corporations do not own my speech.

[omega minimo]

3. We have always been at war with Eurasia

:hi:

I LOVE your hopey-changey thingy. The damn hippie socialists call it "self-empowerment."

[conspirator]

15. If you depend on your wage and do not own Capital. Then yes they do.

They decide how much value the database entry that represents your savings is worth.

[glowing]

2. You forgot.... about the military being owned by contractors and hired out for big oil.

[omega minimo]

5. and the hired mercenaries being sent back to American soil

to "protect" people where they live.

[skeptical cynic]

4. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting

a different result.

:banghead:

[omega minimo]

6. Yup

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8078656

[skeptical cynic]

9. This guy has got to be an industry plant

[omega minimo]

19. you?

[skeptical cynic]

25. Nope. Just a recent convert to the Green Party

I guess you could call me a Progressive plant in Corporate America, though.

I won't say more than that.

[Telly Savalas]

12. You've got a point.

The Left would do well to try different strategies since by their own admission their actions have been a complete failure at gaining power or influencing the course of policy in this country.

[skeptical cynic]

13. I think the True Left should just accept that the Democratic Party

has moved to the Right. This isn't the catastrophe it's made out to be, because the parties have always evolved. Look how the party of slavery evolved into the party of civil rights, and the party of Lincoln has evolved into the party of intolerance of minority issues, effectively switching places. My own theory is that the change in the Democratic Party is partly due to a genuine shift of the entire nation toward militarism and neoliberalism (free trade, deregulation, anti-labor), and partly due to a migration of moderate Republicans to the Democratic Party as their own party went slightly to moderately insane over the decades following their pact with the Religious Right.

So, I've moved my democratic butt to the Green Party, and I've been successful in getting family and friends to join me. I think the rocky road to rejecting the current two parties will be tough, and I think the challenge to the status quo is going to result in a period of increasing oppression of dissent, but the goal is worth the sacrifice.

As another DUer wrote, "the lesser of two evils is still an evil," witch leaves no room in the status quo for people of principle. The mere fact of so many demands that people abandon or compromise their principles for short-term political pragmatism and gain indicates how far the moral baseline has slipped.

[omega minimo]

21. Your "own theory" = corporate consolidation and control of government

"My own theory is that the change in the Democratic Party is partly due to a genuine shift of the entire nation toward militarism and neoliberalism (free trade, deregulation, anti-labor), and partly due to a migration of moderate Republicans to the Democratic Party as their own party went slightly to moderately insane over the decades following their pact with the Religious Right."

[skeptical cynic]

27. Well

"My own theory" certainly is just one combination of others, and it certainly includes more than just corporatization. But the corporate shift is obvious, I'm just not certain to what degree the people were complicit or at least negligent.

I'm just feeling my way along here like everyone else. I try to read and take in a diversity of information, but I keep coming back to people like Chomsky, Zinn and Klein.

I work in the oil industry, and I witness people saying things I know they really don't believe every day. It's called "mobile truth." Like the guy that says McDonald's makes the best burgers when he works at McDonald's, then has no trouble saying Burger King has the best burgers when he goes to work for them. I'm a consultant, so I get to see it all. One of our clients recently hired a bunch of regulators away from their government jobs, where they were literally paid half as much, and those employees have gone completely anti-regulator in a matter of months.

It's pretty easy to see that money corrupts.

[omega minimo]

28. The people are entirely complicit and/or negligent ...

"But the corporate shift is obvious, I'm just not certain to what degree the people were complicit or at least negligent."

... and your examples of wishy washy "moral baseline" are expressions of that.

[skeptical cynic]

30. Certainly both, but how much of each I don't know.

I recently read a comment on another website that I think reflects my level of cynicism: "There won't be any revolt until ESPN goes off the air and the Budweiser and Jagermeister run out."

That's pretty much where I believe we are.

[omega minimo]

31. waiting for "when people think it affects them" has jumped the shark

[skeptical cynic]

32. "Jumped the shark"??

It affects everyone, but I think people are losing themselves in entertainment and antidepressants.

[omega minimo]

34. when do you think people might just bother to wake up?

:popcorn:

[skeptical cynic]

37. Popcorn's a good idea, I think

I big supply of it.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again

while each time, wearing a different hat.

[skeptical cynic]

33. I wonder if a new party emerged, would it be more of the same

just a different hat?

I guess it would.

[FarLeftFist]

7. It's all Milton Friedman's fault. Seriously it is.

[omega minimo]

8. Dick

Cheney

[HughMoran]

10. .

[SidDithers]

23. +1...

getting kinda tired of the eeyores.

Sid

[cali]

36. I just want some half way intelligent eeyores.

instead of the same stupid, stupid shit about how those no difference between repubs controlling Congress and the White House, and dems controlling those institutions.

Doesn't mean the dems are great, but for fuck's sake, anyone who says they can't see the difference, is either disingenuous or blindly stupid.

[HughMoran]

11. Insanity would be expecting every promise to be broken just to appease you

:crazy:

Edit: The corporations owning speech was a direct result of Republican SC nominees.

Also, what were the odds that the banks and insurance companies would be taken over by the government?

0%
0%
0% or
0%?

Oh, and what would have been the result if the government did take over private industry?

- Chaos?
- Anarchy?
- Civil War or
- Fascism?

[omega minimo]

16. FAIL

Nice try though :hi:

[Greyhound]

14. K&R, just to piss off the morans. n/t

:rofl:

[inna]

17. +1

:spray:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Well, and succinctly, put. K&R

[tranche]

20. Can't a person prefer the Democratic party and it's platform?

and still recognize the need to work against the banksters, insurance companies, and corporations? Wouldn't now refusing to support Democrats allowing the "other" party back in still perpetuating the cycle of corporate owned parties which you're mocking in this OP?

When Republicans take back congress and possibly the White house, won't you then just move on to posting about your victimization by the Republican party? Isn't that the cycle you're railing against?

[omega minimo]

22. One would hope so.

How far right has the platform moved?


"Wouldn't now refusing to support Democrats allowing the "other" party back in still perpetuating the cycle of corporate owned parties which you're mocking in this OP?"

Yesterday there was a rash of these set-up OPs (You'd better vote Dem or ELSE!!) as if there is a threat of mass exodus, without evidence AFAIK of such an actual threat. Folks don't take kindly to being commanded not to do something they haven't indicated. The threats are hollow and tone deaf, berating liberals and Dems who HAVE continued to support and vote for Democratic candidates and policies.

"When Republicans take back congress and possibly the White house, won't you then just move on to posting about your victimization by the Republican party? Isn't that the cycle you're railing against?"

What do you mean, "take back"? They're not in charge now? What cycle? After the SCOTUS decision re: corporate speech, new efforts at media deregulation/consolidation, lack of free and fair elections, policies on education, health, offshore drilling, illegal wars and economics, that all come directly from the Repuke agenda/handbook, there is no cycle, is there? It's a closed circuit -- the corporations are in charge and the American people are left outside it.

[Odin2005]

26. The Corporatists rule both parties.

Electoral politics is Kabuki Theater. We get to vote for candidates that are chosen before hand by the Corporate Elite. There is no Democracy in this country anymore.

[omega minimo]

29. Hard to deny

It also was the Dem party that traditionally represented the people -- including unions -- over big business.

[upi402]

35. In business since 1992! n/t

[rustydog]

38. And those big three own the GOP lock, stock and barrell

If you ever wondered what a whore was...Look at a bought Republican, you know the one who threatens to repeal no Pre-existing conditions, repeal no limits on care!