Abuse hotline set up by Catholic Church in Germany melts down on first day as 4,000 people phone in

[babsbunny]

Abuse hotline set up by Catholic Church in Germany melts down on first day as 4,000 people phone in

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By Allan Hall
Last updated at 11:26 AM on 03rd April 2010


An abuse hotline set up by the Catholic Church in Germany melted down on its first day of operation as more than 4,000 alleged victims of paedophile and violent priests called in to seek counselling and advice.

The numbers were far more than the handful of therapists assigned to deal with them could cope with.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. wow.................

[jimshoes]

2. Double wow!

I am shocked at that. Or will be if it's a true measure of the abuse over there.

[nc4bo]

3. Good Grief!!! Just how much longer can the CC keep the lid on the pressure cooker? nt

[Lost4words]

4. This is getting damn near Institutionalized pedophilia!

sick beyond belief

[ananda]

5. The church has an institutionalized male hierarchy..

.. protected by the veil of sanctity that has glammed
people into denial or an inability to actually see
and have zero tolerance for its abusive practices.

[Walk away]

10. The Catholic church has been institutionalized pedophilia for centuries.

There are plenty of Catholics in my family and every one has either first or second hand knowledge of abuse. Catholics who think they are in "Progressive" and safe parishes are sadly mistaken. Their children are at risk.

[scarletwoman]

19. I firmly believe it IS institutionalized paedophilia.

My theory is that it has been a secret subculture within the priesthood for centuries. I see it as similar to ancient Greek culture -- a patriarchal society with a sanctioned "boy-love" component passed on through the culture. It's more underground in the Catholic Church, of course, but I believe it's a longstanding practic.

Not that I think all priests are automatically indoctrinated into it, but those who know the "code" are brought into the paedophilia underground.

I don't see how this phenomena could be so widespread without the existence of such an underground culture.

sw

[TorchTheWitch]

6. calling the church that abused them for counseling and advice???

That's the sickest part about this.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

7. THEY REALLY HAVE THEM HOOKED

[TorchTheWitch]

12. Oh, don't I know it!

My mom is completely incapable of making any decision without being told what to do by the church. The church robbed her of her ability to THINK. That's all part of indoctrination. They don't WANT you to think. They will TELL you what to think. They actively discourage followers from reading the bible because they consider it dangerous for them to interpret any of it - or anything about their faith - for themselves. They actively preach that certain matters are too difficult for mere followers to understand, and that's what your priests are for - to TELL YOU what to think. Over, and over and over all your life... do what the church tells you because you aren't capable to making certain decisions, ask your priest - he's more enlightened than you, and that's what he's there for. And the entire hierarchy works the same way... as a mere priest you are not capable of making certain decisions, ask your bishop - he's more enlightened than you, and that's what he's there for. And all the way up to the Vatican.

This is the single biggest reason that Catholics are BREED, not recruited... they need to start indoctrination from the cradle. And this also ties into their stance on birth control... they need the followers to BREED more Catholics to indoctrinate. Having grown up in the Catholic church it's always struck me how much more of a cult it is than a religion.

[Bluebear]

8. "to seek counselling and advice"!!? They need the phone number of the police & a lawyer.

[aquart]

9. That's ONE country. One.

[flyarm]

11. I do not know how any mother could know these stories and walk into a Catholic Church tomorrow

I really don't...

I get that many people don't know about the Franklin abuse..and about the kids put through MKULTRA and the Church commission investigation of abuse..

But with this so exposed..I just do not understand how any MOTHER..could walk into a Catholic Church.

Oh and I am a non- practicing Catholic raised woman..but I am a mother first..and a new Grandmother..


The only time I walk into a Catholic church is when I must and must show respect for a funeral...But I do not kneel and I do not genuflect and I do not participate in mass..even at a funeral..I just sit there, for respect of the person who died.

This is a church that says ..no birth control...so the clergy can abuse children??

What an utter disgust I have for this church and the politicians that push this shit!

This is a church that right before the 2004 election said Kerry should not be given communion.

What freaking nerve...

And this is a Church that broke protocol and let Bush go into the catacombs...Mr Murder and war himself.

If you feel that Easter is a holy day that you need to observe..stand outside the church and protest the abuse and cardinal sin of abusing children..our most vunerable human beings!

[malaise]

15. +5

and that includes my siblings.

[OneBlueSky]

13. ya know, after a while, there's so much of this stuff out there that you have to wonder . . .

if it isn't somehow institutionalized within the church . . . hell, U.S. dioceses alone have shelled out billions to compensate victims, and it appears the problem is by no mean confined to this country . . . how many victims does it take before it can be called a conspiracy? . . . or at least a conspiracy of silence? . . .

that the church can continue to condemn gays while its priests are diddling altar boys from Seattle to Munich is more than a bit ironic, no? . . . (and no, I'm not equating homosexuality with pedophilia, or even implying a connection -- just making a point) . . .

[DeSwiss]

14. K&R

Also of interest from the article:

"German media are calling the scandal 'the hour of the children'. Silent, often for decades after pressure was applied to both them and their families by the Church, they are now finding the courage to speak out. The effect on the Catholic Church in Germany has been profound; people are leaving in droves, de-registering with the government department that levies an annual tax of 800 pounds each on worshipers to fund it. A quarter of Catholics in Germany said in a recent survey they had lost faith in the Church leadership." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1263108/Abuse-hotline-set-Catholic-Church-Germany-melts-day-4-000-people-phone-in.html">link

[flyarm]

16. google NEIL BUS AND THE POPE..and read this.......

this article no longer can be pulled up on NEWSDAY...but I had it in my files..I wish i could post it all but with copyright laws..I won't. But i am sure you can find it elsewhere!

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www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wochar214226829apr21,0,2092802,print.story
NEWSDAY, Thursday, April 21, 2005

THE NEW POPE BENEDICT XVI

Neil Bush, Ratzinger co-founders
President's younger brother served with then-cardinal on board of relatively unknown ecumenical foundation

BY KNUT ROYCE AND TOM BRUNE
WASHINGTON BUREAU
April 21, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Neil Bush, the president's controversial younger brother, six years ago joined the cardinal who this week became Pope Benedict XVI as a founding board member of a little known Swiss ecumenical foundation.
The charter members of the board were all well-known international religious figures, except for Bush and his close friend and business partner, Jamal Daniel, whose family has extensive holdings in the United States and Switzerland, public records show.
The Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue was founded in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1999 to promote ecumenical understanding and publish original religious texts, said a foundation official.
Besides then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, founding board members included Rene-Samuel Sirat, the former chief rabbi of France; Jordan's Prince Hassan, a Muslim dedicated to religious dialogue; the late Prince Sadruddin Aga Khan, another prominent Muslim; Olivier Fatio, director of the Institute of the History of the Reformation; and foundation president Metropolitan Damaskinos, a Greek Orthodox leader.
Gary Vachicouras, a theologian and foundation official in Geneva, would not explain in a telephone interview yesterday why Bush, who has no clear public connection to religious causes, was on the first board.
"He was interested at that particular time," said Vachicouras of Bush. But like some other initial board members, Bush is no longer involved, Vachicouras said. Ratzinger also left a few years ago and was replaced by Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, who is responsible for ecumenical relations for the Vatican, said Vachicouras.
Still active is Daniel, a Syrian American who has family active in the Orthodox Church in Geneva, said Vachicouras. "This is an Orthodox lay person," he said.
Neither Bush, now president of the educational software company Ignite! Learning, based in Austin, Texas, nor Daniel returned calls for comment.
In his highly publicized divorce last year, Bush revealed he and Daniel are co-chairs of Texas-based Crest Investment Co., which pays him $60,000 a year for consulting. Recently, Crest Investment officials used Bush's name as a reference in cutting an exclusive deal with Texas officials on construction of a liquid natural gas storage facility that will guarantee Crest payments of at least $2 million a year, according to the Los Angeles Times.

[Karenina]

17. Know Your BFEE!

Would that some yung'un connect a few dots with the wealth of information available on this site.

Key handle: Octafish

[and-justice-for-all]

18. and yet, making fun of easter is insulting?!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8085546