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PhilosopherKing Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:22 PM
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"Republicans broke it, Democrats fixed it"
This should be our slogan for the midterm elections. It is simple and true. I figure that if independents go into the voting booth with this thought, we will win the midterms.

The economy is coming around, we passed healthcare, most of the tarp money has been paid back, GM is doing well and hopefully financial reform will be passed.

Now is not the time to be cynical. Do you want to see Republicans control the House and Senate? I don't.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:26 PM
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1. I agree that is part of the frame we need to use...
Also, we need to ask the voters, Tea Partiers included, do they think we can survive 4 or 8 more years of someone like George W Bush? Bush and the Republicans created a huge mess and it is going to take a while to clean it up.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:27 PM
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2. Democrats fixed what?
The economy? Despite the numbers, which are shaky at best, for the vast majority of people in the real world there is still a recession going on.

Fixed the financial sector? Yeah, with our money, so they paid no penalty while we got the shaft. Oh, and most of the tarp money is still out there, like 130 billion. All this talk that we're going to make a profit is very premature.

GM, ummm, they dropped another four billion last year.

Education? :rofl:

Health care? Yeah, a mandated monopoly handing us all to the insurance industry on a silver platter is a real fix all right.

Sorry, but the Obama presidency has been a real disappointment, enough so that a great number of liberals and left leaning folks are either going to go third party or stay home. This is going to hurt the Dems this fall. Perhaps they'll learn the lesson, but I doubt it.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:31 PM
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3. 40 years it has taken to get to this point
your expectations are unrealistic.

Most if not all economist agree that the steps that were taken by the government stopped a catastrophic crash. This country was on the precipice......

Everything he has done hasn't been perfect.....

The list of "things to fix" is extensive.....

I am not giving him a pass but I will acknowledge that 40 years of destruction by the Repug party will not resolved overnight.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:40 PM
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6. I'm not looking for miracles here,
At best I'm hoping for no further destruction, some stability, and perhaps a few crumbs thrown the left's way.

Instead he is following policies that are detrimental to me, my friends and family. The pumping up of the war is going to ruin us financially. The destruction of public education means that these past four years of college that I got are looking more and more worthless. My LGBT friends are thrown under the bus. And now that I've finally achieved a stable place in the middle class, it looks like it is going to be eroded away because of the mandated monopoly that was handed over to the insurance industry.

It has been forty years of destruction, but it hasn't all been done by 'Pugs. After all, it was Clinton who massively deregulated the financial sector, helping land us in our current mess.

I'm not expecting miracles, however I was hoping that things wouldn't get worse. I guess that I hope in vain.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:46 PM
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11. Hey, that poster isn't the one who suggested we start claiming we 'fixed' it
I think that slogan would look a little ridiculous to those whose lives are still down the toilet right now. "Fixed what?" would be the response, I think.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:48 PM
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14. They are only the same people who are always miserable no matter what
And can't handle any adversity at all.

Playing right into the conservatives' hands, blaming the President for their personal circumstances.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:53 PM
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18. Can't handle adversity, is that what you think of me?
You have absolutely no clue as to the adversity that I've faced in my life. You have no right to even make that statement.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:59 PM
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22. Well, after 27 years working as an RN, I'm no stranger to adversity
but I think running a campaign of we 'fixed' it is going to piss off a lot of people who don't see anything in their lives fixed. Hey, I didn't create humans. I'm just making an observation about their likely reaction to a claim that it's all 'fixed' now.

And if there are those who think it's all 'fixed' that's good. Cause I think we've got some bridges over swamp land we could interest them in.
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PhilosopherKing Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:57 PM
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21. Like I said
Now is not the time to be cynical. If we continue to add jobs, we can point to that as being "fixed".
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:04 PM
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24. Big if, a mighty big if
Right now the real unemployment rate is running at twenty percent or over. Sure, we added 162,000 jobs last month, but it takes the addition of 125,000 jobs/month just to keep up with growth. A forty thousand net gain is nothing in the face of the millions who are unemployed.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:07 PM
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25. It is guaranteed to look arrogant and out of touch to go around claiming we 'fixed' it
I'm sorry. I know I saw improved job numbers but the fact is the numbers in my state and many others have not budged. And there are some states where the numbers are worse. I think all you need to do to guarantee we become the party of out of touch is start telling people who still don't have a job or who are working for 35% less than they were that we 'fixed' it. Then, when it doesn't go over we can tell them as the other poster here suggests that they're just a bunch of whiny lightweights who don't know how to weather adversity. I'm sure that will get them to the polls. But it won't be to vote for our guys.
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PhilosopherKing Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:24 PM
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29. If not "fixed", then what word would you suggest?
I understand your argument against using the word "fixed." What would be more appropriate?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:14 PM
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35. I think it would be wise to convey the message we understand the challenges facing
people who have been devastated in this financial crisis and plan to keep working towards solutions to get them back on their feet. FDR, during the depression, never claimed to have all the answers but what he did do was promise the people he was going to keep working to find the answers and he was able to convince them he was on their side. Empathy goes a long way if people believe it's sincere. Sincerity in conveying a sense of caring about the people is difficult if you still have the taint of the Goldman Sachs team hanging on you. I think it's wise the administration has kept Geithner and Summers largely under wraps lately. We're in a difficult position with the teabaggers having co-opted the populist anger and the only anecdote to that would be some populist programs ala FDR. I don't think we're going to see that but that is what it will take to get the electorate excited about voting for Democrats in November.
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PhilosopherKing Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:01 PM
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36. perhaps but
can you put it in a slogan people can remember?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:24 PM
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32. And Democrats helped it along each and every year, so what?
There has been no fix, as in repair, to correct the malfunction.

Obama has done the same thing Raygun did, took every dollar we could borrow and gave it to the parasites. Sure, anybody that pours a trillion or so dollars into the stock market will make it go up, but the stock market is not the economy, it is simply the recipient of a trillion dollars.

Give another trillion dollars to the only institutions with a literal license to print money and guess what? They can leverage that into 91 trillion dollars and make the numbers go up, that isn't the economy either. In fact the real economy is the only entity in this Kabuki that didn't get anything except a greater burden dumped on it.


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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:31 PM
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It seems you post your OP with hope and glee...Sad....n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:46 PM
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10. No, I post our of despair and frustration
Nothing like sacrificing four years of your life and fortune to become a teacher only to find that your government is going to put the screws to public education even harder.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:46 PM
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12. You have to be tougher
Especially if you are going to be a teacher. Are you going to give up on students as easily?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:49 PM
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16. No, I don't have to be tougher, I have to find a fucking job, that's what I have to do
There simply aren't any teaching jobs in my area, and part of the reason for that is because the government is handing out money only with charter school strings attached.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:55 PM
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19. +1 nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:26 PM
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33. I feel for you. These ass****s are just infuriating in their derision.
Good luck to us all.


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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:43 AM
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42. You left out the "bootstraps" part.
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 12:44 AM by Marr
Democrats are sounding more and more like Reaganites.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:01 AM
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43. There's a reason for that
It appears when the Reagan Democrats 'came home,' they brought Reagan with them.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:32 PM
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5. I do think it will require a little more time.
We were not left in the best of shape by the Bush Administration. It is moving very, very slow but we should wait and see what happens with financial reform before we jump the ship, in my opinion. He has only been in office 1 yr and 4 months.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:43 PM
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8. I recognize that, but in my own personal world he is making things worse
His ongoing destruction of education effects me personally. Health care "reform" is going to take an ever increasing amount of my money. Meanwhile the war has been doubled down on twice, the economy is getting ready for another plunge (commercial real estate) and I'm frankly seeing little to be optimistic about.

It would be nice to have some of that much touted hope enter my life, but I haven't seen it yet.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:49 PM
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15. Where do you think you would be today if McCain had won?
Do you think you would be in a better situation? It may not be going according to plan but there would have been no plan with McCain and the Repubs. I have similar concerns as you about the economy and commercial real estate, unemployment, healthcare, etc. But do you seriously think it would have been better if Obama had not won the election?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:51 PM
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17. Would it have been better? No,
The question really becomes would it have been worse? About the only thing that I can say is that Obama slowed down our progress, but we're still going off that proverbial cliff.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:56 PM
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20. Regardless, I think using a campaign slogan saying we 'fixed' it is premature. nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:46 PM
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9. That much cynicism has got to be a downer
What an awful outlook on life.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:47 PM
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13. That's why long ago I developed a deep appreciation of nature, intellectual life,
And a wonderful social life. I learned during the Reagan years that political reality in this country sucked and in the end there was very little I could do to effect it.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:15 PM
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26. Most everything we have tackled.
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 06:16 PM by yodoobo
Healthcare

Financial industry

And yes the economy is doing very well lately. Not as good a we had hoped but its going in the right direction and most have benefited and will continue to do so.

Education still needs attention but we've had a pretty full plate. We did fix the education loan system though on the back of the healthcare fix.

Dems will do just fine this fall. In fact we'll proably add a few seats and retake the Senate.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:31 PM
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4. I Love It....and the gall, the Nerve....them Republicans wanna break it again?`
Pub Brand Com'p by self inflicted wounds....Dems will benefit gain in House and Senate

Pubs Stymied

Resorting to name calling and brown shirt intimidation...

GOP = FAIL
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:42 PM
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7. Good idea!
:yourock:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:02 PM
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23. Yeah, great. I think we can count on about 13.2% of the voters in my state to vote against Democrats
if they start claiming things are 'fixed.'
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PhilosopherKing Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:17 PM
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27. If jobs start to come back
then we can say things are being "fixed", right?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:59 PM
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34. You can say whatever you like
The issue is how many you can convince. I think a much better approach would be to show we are in touch with the real life problems real live people are having. I predict saying things are 'fixed' is setting us up for a George the 1st moment of being astounded by the scanners at the grocery store and not knowing the price of a gallon of milk. Another parallel is John McCain's, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," as average Americans were watching their lives collapse around them. Whatever Clinton's faults may have been he had the ability to convey empathy and the people believed he understood their problems. This "we 'fixed' it meme" is tone deaf as hell.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:23 PM
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28. ROTFLMAO!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:16 PM
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30. This is an excellent idea!
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 08:19 PM by NJmaverick
:applause:
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:22 PM
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31. Repeated. All day, every day.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:04 PM
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37. There are 2 parallels I see to using a slogan this tone deaf when so many are still in pain
1) George the 1st at the supermarket unable to answer what a gallon of milk cost
2) John 'the fundamentals of the economy are sound' McCain.

These races are going to be decided by very narrow margins. You can bet not one person who remains unemployed or who is working for 35% less than they were 3 years ago is going to vote for anyone who calls our current situation 'fixed.' That is more than enough people to sway the elections way against us. It is the type of tone deaf message I would expect to hear from a Republican. We need to really focus on letting people know we understand they are still struggling and find some way to help them believe it is improving and we are still working for them. Saying we 'fixed' it isn't going to sound good to people still wondering if they will have a place to live or a job or enough to feed their families. And there are still enough of those out here to defeat candidates who convey a message of arrogance at a time when empathy is called for.
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PhilosopherKing Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:12 PM
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38. What's your slogan then?
Voters need something simple to remember in the voting booth.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:12 AM
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39. I'm not much of a sloganeer but I would think something along the lines of
"We're working to restore America." or "We're moving America forward." or "Meeting the challenges of a new century of hope for all Americans." It might also work to say something more like, "Let's work together to restore America." It's always good for the people to feel as if they are part of it.

These suggest there is still much to be done and we're there to see it through.
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shotten99 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:33 AM
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40. Amen
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:38 AM
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41. "Mission Accomplished"?
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 AM by Marr
Not wise, IMHO.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:15 AM
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44. How about this instead?
"Democrats? HELL YES!"

"Republicans? HELL NO!"
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:16 AM
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45. Better. nt
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