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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:41 PM Original message |
The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. "The coming collapse"? It's already happened. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
50. This. Instead, we should be doing a post-mortem, shouldn't we? |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. there is so much disparity between the rich and poor. |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The apartment on 57th street that I sublet in the '70 for $550 per month is now... |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. we had a nice apartment in queens. |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. There are probably six twenty somethings sharing it and each paying twice what you did. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's well underway..... |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yet every ass-dumb know-nothing is so quick to bring up "BIG SCREEN TEEVEES!" |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. delete |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. These kind of comparisons always miss one thing |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Exactly! |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Hey, my dad was a telephone man too! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The false comparisons abound. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Really? I mentioned a gadget? Where? |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. Incorrect |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Washing machines are gadgets now? To whom? |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
61. You Missed the Main Point |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I wasn't talking about gadgets |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It didn't quite work that way |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Nope. Live in a house the same size as my parents house in the 70's |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. ^^^^^+++++1000 |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. I can relate to a lot of that |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. And of course your experience is statistically valid? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. So the medium size house increases, but it's made from much more inferior quality material. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Very similar upbrining. Thanks for posting. :) |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. You need to get a hold of Elizabeth Warren and tell her how "silly" she is. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. I suspect she already knows it's a silly comparison |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. wow, just wow. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. So you agree with ALL professors regardless of the study's quaklity |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. don't delude yourself. nt |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. No Middle Class=No Democracy!!! |
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cutlassmama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
14. Going back to the 70's would be marvelous! No police state, better |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. Cell phones, Starbucks, fast internet, bottled water, iTunes, sports drinks |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Cut that stuff out and two people still have to work |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The point is that people consume way more convenience items now than then nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Your point is wrong. Even people who do not can not have the same standard of living on 2 incomes |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I wasn't arguing that point nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. None of the above |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Man do you people like arguing. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. It's not hard to comprehend but even those of us living without all that stuff find it hard to have |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
48. yeah, there were no gadget freaks back then. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I was alive and well back then, thanks |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. You seem really bent on trying to equate "things" with quality of life. |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
18. coming collapse |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
19. "coming"? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. One cause that people mostly miss is the mortgage companies |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I wonder about this, too. Seems that while many households added income |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. That's a very good point. nt |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
42. Supply and demand. A doubling up of the workforce means half the pay. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. That doesn't even make sense. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Silly post of the millenium nominee nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
26. It's been happening since the 70's |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. +1000 nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
51. Nail on head. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. It's collapsing because of HEALTH CARE COSTS! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. That's certainly one of the big factors. nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Health care cost is one of the major pillars of the problem. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
38. If it was K-12 education |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
44. Liz... (I call her Liz because she's my fantasy woman).. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
55. In a sense there is no middle class, |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
57. Unions |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
58. k&r great thread. nt |
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